In fact, thank you all for showing me how stupid and weak i am. I thought after fifteen months that maybe i had learned something but apparently i know nothing. i have just relied on this website, on these authors dozens of college degrees, and have no knowledge of my own. ur right x, what do these authors know. Waterbury and Thibadeau who? What do they know. I need to go out and find what works for me. Im going to do chest and bi workouts four days a week with fifteen plus sets each and ill go to failure each time. After all overtraining is just a myth for pussys cuz wut do these authors know about the nervous system? Yeah that will show them i can figure out what works for me. That’s all you need cuz obviously the stress on ur body from the dumbell flys and concentration curls will release massive amounts of test and hgh throughout my body unlike squats. I will go out and make my own assumptions from my observations. Thanks to all. See you in twenty years at the Mr. Olympia.!! I will be the one with the crown,cane, and cape!!
[quote]Hawkson101 wrote:
How come a lot of the programs on T-Nation do not advocate 5 days a week workout programs?
if you have time and eat right, wouldn’t more volume and more intensity for a body part equal better results?
what are the downsides?[/quote]
So, as the new guy, I will sum up:
Has your question been answered yet?
- Sure, there’s nothing wrong with 5 days a week
- Some people like frequency.
- Some people like splits.
I’ve got to be the only guy in the world that really likes both.
Would more produce better results?
Answer: it depends on your frequency and intensity of training… Whether you have shitty form, etc. That statement has to be wrong at some point, if 5 days is good, why not 6? Why not 7? Why not 12?
If you want to improve, you have to do more of SOMETHING. Whether that be more volume, or more frequency, or more intensity, whatever.
But you can only improve so fast, and allot of this has to do your ability (or lack thereof) to recover (ie, GROW); which can be improved with proper diet and supplementation.
As Prof X suggested, find out for yourself. Try it. See if it works. Try 6. Try 3. Try splits… Try TBT…
The only stipulation, if you try something, you have to do it long enough to find out if it is actually working. 8 weeks or more.
And therein lies the rub: there are so many uncontrolled factors in ones life, that most of the time, most people don’t even know, and can’t figure out what really does work for them. I think most people make gains despite themselves.
But the successful ones DO figure out what works for THEM. So the only one that can really figure out what works for you, is you.
Interesting thing about this site: There are some people here that actually share in, and enjoy this “iron brotherhood”. If they can help you, they will.
In my experience, allot of things work for allot of people, but they only work for so long. That’s why I like to switch back and forth between splits and TBT. I like both for different reasons… But mostly splits because I prefer to spend 6 days a week in the gym.
But what the hell do I know? I’m the just some new guy.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Hawkson101 wrote:
How come a lot of the programs on T-Nation do not advocate 5 days a week workout programs?
if you have time and eat right, wouldn’t more volume and more intensity for a body part equal better results?
what are the downsides?
It is times like that where you quit relying only on this web site and find out what works best for yourself. I personally have never followed a plan from this site. I train at the very least five days a week (and that’s if I am being called in at work during off hours). I usually train 6 days a week.[/quote]
My sentiments as well. I work out 5 days a week two have been doing so for a while. This site is very useful, however, I wouldn’t follow everything offered…just extract what’s useful…which there is plenty of here.
I workout 5 days a week and i have been doing so for over 7 years…the best result i got was when i went 6 days a week…
I personally never got much from splits. I’ve made my best gains on whole body or upper/lower splits. But, that’s ME. Try the 5 day thing, see how you like it. To be honest, I might switch over to a traditional 5-6 day split and see how it goes. I figure I’m gonna be doing this for the rest of my life, so what’s a few weeks to try something new?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Pbjoe wrote:
I’m sorry, but how do you know that “80%” of people need to be doing a TBT workout plan? [/quote]
Take all people that train in the world, have a controlled study measuring results of all training programs, then divide the “best on TBT” into the total amount of people. Duh.
[quote]Pbjoe wrote:
In fact, thank you all for showing me how stupid and weak i am. I thought after fifteen months that maybe i had learned something but apparently i know nothing. >>>[/quote]
You should’ve stopped right there and that would’ve been your best post so far and maybe for the coming year. These cocky kids crack me up
!!!ROFLMAO!!!
You made my day boss. I have the tears wiped off my cheeks now and I can go on in a better mood.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Pbjoe wrote:
In fact, thank you all for showing me how stupid and weak i am. I thought after fifteen months that maybe i had learned something but apparently i know nothing. >>>
You should’ve stopped right there and that would’ve been your best post so far and maybe for the coming year. These cocky kids crack me up
!!!ROFLMAO!!!
You made my day boss. I have the tears wiped off my cheeks now and I can go on in a better mood.[/quote]
That’s not cocky. I am not quite sure what the term is for some skinny kid still in high school who thinks reading some internet articles on weight lifting is a substitute for experience but it isn’t “cocky”. I doubt this same kid would approach anyone 100lbs bigger than him with the same attitude so we can’t blame “cockiness”.
I actually just started a 5 day routine. I love going to the gym and Tuesdays and Thursdays are out because of class and work, so I’ve made up my own deal for a M-W-F-Sat-Sun.
I personally think as long as you cover all your “areas” and give those “areas” a few days to recover you are fine.
[quote]Pbjoe wrote:
In fact, thank you all for showing me how stupid and weak i am. I thought after fifteen months that maybe i had learned something but apparently i know nothing. i have just relied on this website, on these authors dozens of college degrees, [/quote]
This has to be a troll job.
In any event, you can line up “big names” and people with college degrees to support any training scheme. Arguments to authority mean nothing in the iron game. Arguments based on experience are much more valuable.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That’s not cocky. I am not quite sure what the term is for some skinny kid still in high school who thinks reading some internet articles on weight lifting is a substitute for experience but it isn’t “cocky”. I doubt this same kid would approach anyone 100lbs bigger than him with the same attitude so we can’t blame “cockiness”. [/quote]
I guess you’re right. These kinda guys just really kill me.
[quote]Pbjoe thinks:
How can these guys not have the good sense to stand in gape jawed awe of my brilliance?[/quote]
[quote]Pbjoe wrote:
In fact, thank you all for showing me how stupid and weak i am. I thought after fifteen months that maybe i had learned something but apparently i know nothing. i have just relied on this website, on these authors dozens of college degrees, and have no knowledge of my own. ur right x, what do these authors know. Waterbury and Thibadeau who? What do they know. I need to go out and find what works for me. Im going to do chest and bi workouts four days a week with fifteen plus sets each and ill go to failure each time. After all overtraining is just a myth for pussys cuz wut do these authors know about the nervous system? Yeah that will show them i can figure out what works for me. That’s all you need cuz obviously the stress on ur body from the dumbell flys and concentration curls will release massive amounts of test and hgh throughout my body unlike squats. I will go out and make my own assumptions from my observations. Thanks to all. See you in twenty years at the Mr. Olympia.!! I will be the one with the crown,cane, and cape!![/quote]
Geez, what kind of class are you in? That kind of grammar would get me a failing grade, and I’m not even at the top of my english class.
To the OP: Fullbody 5x a week is probably too much. Anything else, do what works for you. If you like lifting and you can keep overtraining in check, have fun with it.
[quote]Hawkson101 wrote:
How come a lot of the programs on T-Nation do not advocate 5 days a week workout programs?
if you have time and eat right, wouldn’t more volume and more intensity for a body part equal better results?
what are the downsides?[/quote]
Working out 5 times a week can definitely work, as long as you dont abuse it. I’ve even seen a workout written by a highly respected coach that calls for the whole body to be worked with the same 5 exercises mon to fri then have the weekend off. Its called the 5 * 5 * 5 program and is cleverly designed so overtraining should not occur. (It is aimed at strength more than size)
I know for a FACT that TBT works best for 83.7% of adult males ages 18-34, and 94.75% or females ages 18-34.
I asked around and that’s what I was told.
PS, didn’t Skip La Cour train 5 days per week or something?
(natural… or am I crazy/naive)
I used to do a 3-day body split.
Push
Pull
Legs
I’ve switched up to a 4 day split training 6 days a week. My strength and gains have soared since. I don’t see the problem with training 5+ times a week as long as you listen to your body. On some weeks I can tell that I shouldn’t push the extra day. But to each their own.
Hmmm,
Way past my prime, never on the sauce, and making more progress on four hard days in the gym, with 4 extra mini workouts that night, plus 2 extra workouts on the no gym days. Sunday is the day of rest.
Then take a backoff week every fourth or fifth week. Maybe it won’t work for you, but i suspect more workouts would work for most folks.
jmo
jack
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Pbjoe wrote:
In fact, thank you all for showing me how stupid and weak i am. I thought after fifteen months that maybe i had learned something but apparently i know nothing. i have just relied on this website, on these authors dozens of college degrees,
This has to be a troll job.
In any event, you can line up “big names” and people with college degrees to support any training scheme. Arguments to authority mean nothing in the iron game. Arguments based on experience are much more valuable.
[/quote]
I agree with this statement, however, for those people that lack the general knowledge of program design, I don’t see anything wrong with trying a program from one of the authors on this site.
These authors are informed, well educated, and experienced at working with the masses. Their programs have been designed from trial and error. If the program works for you, great, stick with it. If not, try another. Once you understand which types of training actually work for you, then you can go off and design your own.
[quote]jackreape wrote:
Hmmm,
Way past my prime, never on the sauce, and making more progress on four hard days in the gym, with 4 extra mini workouts that night, plus 2 extra workouts on the no gym days. Sunday is the day of rest.
Then take a backoff week every fourth or fifth week. Maybe it won’t work for you, but i suspect more workouts would work for most folks.
jmo
jack[/quote]
Funny, my program’s pretty similar. I’m doing four heavy days a week (two short workouts each day), and one or two light days where I just do some abwork, cardio, smaller muscles, what have you. Sunday is my one total off day. I also used to have a five day program and worked it pretty well.
I like upper/lower splits and total body training, just for the mental diversity of each workout. I get the best of both worlds by combining an upper/lower split in the first part of my week with total body workouts (separated by a light day) at the end. If I did just total body it would be tougher to recover and I wouldn’t be able to get to the gym as frequently.
This allows me to get in more weekly volume, and do all the exercises I want to do, but still recover reasonably well. It also allows me to take Sunday off (I like having one weekend day where I don’t have to go to the gym).
[quote]Modi wrote:
for those people that lack the general knowledge of program design, I don’t see anything wrong with trying a program from one of the authors on this site. [/quote]
When did I say otherwise?
Of course, if a person is always on SOMEONE ELSE’s program, he is not entitled to an opinion about what works in the gym. All he “knows” is what he has been told.
If the people who can’t design their own programs would just STFU and keep printing out the latest thing on the Internet, there would be peace in the valley.
I think the only point trying to be made here is that you need to think outside the box. Don’t get all of your information from one source.
Whether that be a muscle mag, this site, a certain author… whatever. If there is one thing I have learned about bodybuilding it’s that for everything you read, there is something or someone else out there to contradict it.
Beyond the basics, bodybuilding is a sport of I.N.D.I.V.I.D.U.A.L.I.T.Y. It’s about the human body, and everybody is different 
Find things that work for you through trial and error. Experiment!
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Modi wrote:
for those people that lack the general knowledge of program design, I don’t see anything wrong with trying a program from one of the authors on this site.
When did I say otherwise?
Of course, if a person is always on SOMEONE ELSE’s program, he is not entitled to an opinion about what works in the gym. All he “knows” is what he has been told.
If the people who can’t design their own programs would just STFU and keep printing out the latest thing on the Internet, there would be peace in the valley.[/quote]
Sorry if that’s the way it came across. I guess that your statement made me think about all the criticism that authors get on this site. I’m all for free thinking, but the intention of my post was to say that many people would be better off starting with a template and modifying it based on their results rather than reinventing the wheel.
Obviously the more experience one has, the more likely they have developed their own program, taking bits and pieces of information they have acquired. But they got that information from somewhere or someone.
I don’t want to imply that I think people should follow blindly, but I think the less experienced lifters have to get their information from somewhere.