I’ve been using 531 since I started powerlifting several years ago and love it.
I have one question however for Jim though.
Why does 531 not include a dynamic effort or speed day like some other programs?
Does he not agree in the theory behind creating explosive power through speed work?
Thanks
B
Page 16 of the Beyond 5/3/1 goes into good detail about this.
I have the beyond book but it shows the dynamic work being done on the same day as the main lift
This isn’t a speed day as such, as you are doing the speed work on the same workout.
If you do the speed work before the main lift then it will affect your main lifts
If you do the speed work after your main lift then it’s going to be slower due to energy used in the main lift.
Just seems you wouldn’t be getting the best out of the speed work
Hence why a lot of other programs dedicate a speed “day”
I recommend jumps and throws before you lift - this is “true” speed work. Not lifting a light barbell like a spastic, retarded antelope in heat.
If you want to be fast and explosive, follow the path of those that exhibit these traits.
There are numerous article and forum posts that detail this.
Cheers jim
So do you disagree with the westside style speed day?
I know you had written several PDFs and articles explaining how to do westside in the past and how to use dedicated speed days…
Why did you change your mind on this?
I changed my mind because I found a better way. Way better.
That’s good enough for me!
Thanks jim.
Jim, do you recommend lifting with maximal force regardless of weight in lighter sets?
[quote]tsantos wrote:
Jim, do you recommend lifting with maximal force regardless of weight in lighter sets? [/quote]
Yeah but not be a moron with 135 like I see some people. No one gives a shit if you can “pump rep” 95 or 135. Push fast on all your sets that require you to. If you don’t know what this means - just lift for a couple months and you’ll figure it out.
This is also called “common sense”.
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
I recommend jumps and throws before you lift - this is “true” speed work. Not lifting a light barbell like a spastic, retarded antelope in heat.
If you want to be fast and explosive, follow the path of those that exhibit these traits.
There are numerous article and forum posts that detail this. [/quote]
“Retarded”…as soon as you said that word, your comment became meaningless.
obviously. I mean who the hell does he think he is? commenting useful advice and opinions on his own damn forum. Can you believe his audacity?
[quote]DanProsser wrote:
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
I recommend jumps and throws before you lift - this is “true” speed work. Not lifting a light barbell like a spastic, retarded antelope in heat.
If you want to be fast and explosive, follow the path of those that exhibit these traits.
There are numerous article and forum posts that detail this. [/quote]
“Retarded”…as soon as you said that word, your comment became meaningless.
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And here in America we have this little thing called the first Amendment…
[quote]DanProsser wrote:
“Retarded”…as soon as you said that word, your comment became meaningless.
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Stop being retarded.
[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
[quote]DanProsser wrote:
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
I recommend jumps and throws before you lift - this is “true” speed work. Not lifting a light barbell like a spastic, retarded antelope in heat.
If you want to be fast and explosive, follow the path of those that exhibit these traits.
There are numerous article and forum posts that detail this. [/quote]
“Retarded”…as soon as you said that word, your comment became meaningless.
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And here in America we have this little thing called the first Amendment…[/quote]
Anyone has the freedom to say anything, does not mean someone also doesn’t have the right to be offended. But lets be real here, Jim wrote for Dave Tates site for years, and is clearly great friends with him and Dave is known to have a special needs child. Im sure Jim was useing it as the book term “delayed response”, or “Delayed thinking”. Taking from this that Jim is being insensitive is not being giving him credit. I studies Psysh in school and am someone numb tot he term as its consistantly still used in Psych classrooms as the term for anyone with impaired cognitive functioning. Im sure thats all he meant by it. Lets relax with being overally politically correct, its a fucking forum for gods sake.
And to the original poster, like Jim posted he does include speed work in the form of jumps and throws. Him comes from a football background so that must be taken into consideration. As a former university football player I can tell you I would rather his from of speed work to develop speed then Westsides method. 531(at least from what I take from it) was designed to make you “bad ass” almost closer to an athlete then a pure powerlifter. The goal is RAW strength, speed, mobilty, condioning…a HOLISTIC program much like an athlete needs. If Jim wanted it to be a pure powerlifting program and not just a program to keep you in the best shape in every regard, he wouldve released a 531 for powerlifters. AS of yet I see the program as a way to develop RAW strength continually without “peaking”, keeping in great condition, and keeping injury free. IF you want to be a pure powerlifter maybe go with westside. For someone like myself simply concerned with improving all the qualities mentioned above this program is perfect
Jim that’s confusing bro. your book has it listed and now your rather have them throw balls. great! I have no problem using this before my workouts but for the guy who want to lift heavy your saying its not worth it?
confused.
[quote]some_dude wrote:
[quote]DanProsser wrote:
“Retarded”…as soon as you said that word, your comment became meaningless.
[/quote]
Stop being retarded.
[/quote]
I was gonna tell him that his comment was meaningless and retarded, but I like this response even better. I hate political correctness.
[quote]bigtony200 wrote:
Jim that’s confusing bro. your book has it listed and now your rather have them throw balls. great! I have no problem using this before my workouts but for the guy who want to lift heavy your saying its not worth it?
confused.
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The way I see it, in the book Jim provides a way to include dynamic barbell work within the 5/3/1 framework, but isn’t exactly recommending it or holding a gun to your head saying you have to do it. Beyond 5/3/1 provides you with many tools you can use while staying true to 5/3/1…
[quote]bigtony200 wrote:
Jim that’s confusing bro. your book has it listed and now your rather have them throw balls. great! I have no problem using this before my workouts but for the guy who want to lift heavy your saying its not worth it?
confused.
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I’m not sure what the confusion is about. People ask about it - I gave a suggestion of how to use it in the program. Every question asked in this thread was answered in the Beyond book.