Why No Legumes on Paleo Diet?

Nutrition
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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Josh Rider wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
KING OF OFF TOPIC/MINI HIJACK

Question for Brick… Do you have any pictures of yourself? I cant recall seeing any BB style pictures of you anywhere (but admittedly I havent really been looking) I know you’re not so much into bodybuilding now and more into general fitness but I’m interested to see what you looked like then and what you look like now that your goals have changed. I remember reading that you were a pretty big guy when you were dedicated/focused on getting hugified?
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Yo, bro. Your physique determines your scientific knowledge.[/quote]

I’m not quite sure if you are trying to make fun of what I am saying, implying that I am asking for Bricks pictures as a way to justify his knowledge base?

I know brick is very knowledgable AND I also know that he used to live the bodybuilder lifestyle and was pretty big (240+ if I am remembering correctly?) I wasnt calling him out by any means and I’m pretty sure he knew that.

So I know Brick was big and has changed his goals to more of a general fitness which is fine by me… I was just asking… But yeah I’m confused by your post? Not sure if you were joking or serious?[/quote]

I know dude. I like you and I think you’re one of the best posters on here.

I just took it as talking shop. I was 245 at my biggest - a bit chubby though - not gonna lie.

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Yeah I thought it was more of a talking shop thing too… glad we were/are on the same page. How tall are you? 5’10 or something right?

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[quote]drewnycx wrote:
“Can you do well eating grains? Sure. We have lots of examples of amazing athletes and amazing physiques achieved by people consuming cereal grains in large quantities. Was it optimum? No. Is there any reason, beyond that they just taste to damn good, to eat them? No.”

Explain how it’s not optimal, considering there are sports nutritionists and sports nutrition researchers who who have far more expertise in nutriiton than all of us here!
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Ever consider that a “sports nutritionists [or] sports nutrition researchers” are only as good as the results they achieve and said results are the byproduct of compliance.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Josh Rider wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
KING OF OFF TOPIC/MINI HIJACK

Question for Brick… Do you have any pictures of yourself? I cant recall seeing any BB style pictures of you anywhere (but admittedly I havent really been looking) I know you’re not so much into bodybuilding now and more into general fitness but I’m interested to see what you looked like then and what you look like now that your goals have changed. I remember reading that you were a pretty big guy when you were dedicated/focused on getting hugified?
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Yo, bro. Your physique determines your scientific knowledge.[/quote]

I’m not quite sure if you are trying to make fun of what I am saying, implying that I am asking for Bricks pictures as a way to justify his knowledge base?

I know brick is very knowledgable AND I also know that he used to live the bodybuilder lifestyle and was pretty big (240+ if I am remembering correctly?) I wasnt calling him out by any means and I’m pretty sure he knew that.

So I know Brick was big and has changed his goals to more of a general fitness which is fine by me… I was just asking… But yeah I’m confused by your post? Not sure if you were joking or serious?[/quote]

I know dude. I like you and I think you’re one of the best posters on here.

I just took it as talking shop. I was 245 at my biggest - a bit chubby though - not gonna lie.

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Yeah I thought it was more of a talking shop thing too… glad we were/are on the same page. How tall are you? 5’10 or something right?[/quote]
gregron created a new thread “i have a man crush on…” in category Get a Life

just playin

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
“Option One: A pound of steamed mixed veggies, 2 apples, and a sweet potato
Option Two: 8 slices of whole wheat bread”

Lame comparison. [/quote]

Why?

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Of course this thread would turn into another battle provoked by Bricknyce.

Why don’t people just do their own research, test their findings on their body, and utilize what they find to work best for their lifestyle and goals.

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[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Of course this thread would turn into another battle provoked by Bricknyce.

Why don’t people just do their own research, test their findings on their body, and utilize what they find to work best for their lifestyle and goals.[/quote]

I think the bigger issue is keeping the thread on topic, and Birck, despite being experienced, didn’t help.

The question was about why legumes aren’t included in a paleo diet, not what are the merits of a paleo diet/why I love grains.

I don’t understand why it’s impossible to stay roughly on target.

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Bricknyce is one of the better posters on this site.

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[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I’m in agreement with Beans. Yeah, it’s great to talk all this scientific stuff and talk of “intolerances”, “from a physique standpoint”, and “optimal”, but after awhile that shit has to be cut out and people just need to follow a damn sports nutrition or bodybuilder’s diet and emulate the people who’ve done this before.

If you need to make adjustments along the way because of some stumbling block (eg, an actual food intolerance or allergy) or change in goal (eg, get big versus cut, run a marathon or whatever), then do it.
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Sorry Brick, the question has bugged me for a while because even at 32 I’m still trying to fine tune what I’m eating. I’m taking off from the words “stumbling block” above and mine is Type 2 Diabetes.

From reading this thread and few other recent threads I’m picking up that (sorry If I’m oversimplfying):

  1. The calories and calorie deficit from basal metabolic rate (I don’t know if this is the correct term for the number of calories a body burns everyday) matters.
  2. The macro nutrients matter.
  3. The foods matter.

You can’t choose one because they ALL matter. (hope I’m right so far).

I eliminated the grains used in bread, pasta, oatmeal for the last 5 months. My blood sugar is much better. From fasted blood glucose of over 8 to 9 mmol/l down to 4 to 6. Reduced medication and testing around 6 to 7. I’m paranoid now to try those grains again. I’ve eaten some rice but it’s perhaps 5 or 6 times in total (that’s meals) for the same period.

The rest of my diet is meat, eggs, fish, nuts (no peanuts), berries, green vegies, cheese, whey protein. I didn’t want to label this as paleo or ketogenic etc - I didn’t even want to call it “diet”.

Just wondering if you had any specific diet advice to Diabetics? That maybe low GI was something I needed to watch carefully or take grains with low GI etc? Or pehaps my stumbling block is significant enough that I should reconsider grains altogether or even diary (because I’ve heard there is connection between dairy and insulin sensitivity)? Again I could be completely wrong. (in the past I haven’t been able to PM you when I tried so if you prefer I take this off the boards and on to email I can). Thank you.[/quote]

You can email me on AOL or FB.

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Legumes are bad, mmmmmkay!

So is bulletproof tigers face, mmmmmkay! :slight_smile:

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Hahaha^

As far as the beans go, I’m pretty sure the paleo diet restricts them, but I for one don’t really have a problem with them. Even Dr. Mercola who is one of the biggest anti-grain guys out there includes beans in his meal plans. I think you do need to keep the amount at a reasonable portion, but as long as beans are a part of the overall daily fiber picture, your digestive tract should be okay. If u do better without beans, or by limiting them, then by all means do that! Or you could try using them as a prebiotic by gradually increasing them, and teaming that with a good probiotic.

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[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
Be sure to upload some pics. I wanna see if your muscles are as big as your mouth.

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Yours obviously aren’t.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
Be sure to upload some pics. I wanna see if your muscles are as big as your mouth.

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Yours obviously aren’t.[/quote]

Hahahaha dayum! Cold blooooooooooded

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Strong is actually pretty thick! AND strong as hell!

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
Be sure to upload some pics. I wanna see if your muscles are as big as your mouth.

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Yours obviously aren’t.[/quote]

That was about 10 or 12 lbs ago. Also, at least I have the balls to post pics. You, being a coward can hide behind your screen all you want.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

Strong is actually pretty thick! AND strong as hell!

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Yeah his upper body is pretty good for a guy with wheels of a 12 yo

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Really? This is where the thread went?

I was hoping to learn about legumes.

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[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Really? This is where the thread went?

I was hoping to learn about legumes.[/quote]

You get about one page of info before the bullets start flying and we start calling each other out.

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dnlcdstn’s doesn’t have a “bad” physique either; it’s actually what a lot of men aim for. Damn leaner and likely healthier than most people, and probably engages in quite a bit of activity.

Strong’s wheels are quite functional and powerful though. He trains pretty damn seriously.

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Well after all this hype I wanna know… Hey Strong! Lets see your weine… I mean your wheels!!!

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[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:

[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Really? This is where the thread went?

I was hoping to learn about legumes.[/quote]

You get about one page of info before the bullets start flying and we start calling each other out. And stronghold is fat.[/quote]

You can’t take the higher ground when you started it.

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As you can tell, my consumption of grains has made me obese.