[quote]Puny@138 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Yep, do it all the time. Whole eggs, meat, salmon etc all in the food processor.
See my post about “Anabolic Glop”. It’s gotten bigger since then too.
I checked out your “Anabolic Glop” post. Was that stuff in the blender your shake or the barfing spree you let out after drinking that crap?[/quote]
I’ve been eating some version of that for 3 of my 6 daily meals for the better part of a year. It’s great for work. Takes me 60 seconds to get a big wallop of quality calories in an easily ingested and digested form.
So? You are saying you lost 50lbs of lean body mass? You were one mountain of muscle before you lost it all for your “sport”?
Probably not, huh? You were more than likely a rather chubby 220lbs as I doubt you went on some catabolic diet to eat up all of that horrible muscle you were carrying around. [/quote]
Well, I wasn’t 50 lbs heavier of LBM, no. My point is that I don’t have a genetic problem with gaining weight. My intake is based on my discipline, since I am rarely ever satiated.
The RTD tastes great to me, like a treat. Not everyone is as concerned about the fat/sugar content. It really depends on your goals and nutrient needs. Not everyone that uses MM neccesarily “buys” their lean lipid claims. Though, Cytosport is not the only one making those claims. For me, it has a lot of nutrients and it is very filling. Most importantly it keeps away form the real chocolate shakes at the fast food places. For that alone it is worth it.
[quote]dhuge67 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
dhuge67 wrote:
I used to weigh 220.
So? You are saying you lost 50lbs of lean body mass? You were one mountain of muscle before you lost it all for your “sport”?
Probably not, huh? You were more than likely a rather chubby 220lbs as I doubt you went on some catabolic diet to eat up all of that horrible muscle you were carrying around.
Well, I wasn’t 50 lbs heavier of LBM, no. My point is that I don’t have a genetic problem with gaining weight. My intake is based on my discipline, since I am rarely ever satiated.
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There is a rather HUGE difference between “gaining weight” and “gaining mostly muscle mass”. It would take someone with average genetics YEARS to gain anywhere close to 20lbs of solid lean body mass. If you had above average genetics, you would probably be heavier than you are after so many years of training whether you claimed to have a weight class or not.
That means it is ridiculous to believe that simply because you once weighed a fat 220lbs that you could quickly gain over 20-30lbs of solid lean body mass. It also means you don’t have a clue about the caloric needs of someone who weighed that much relatively lean. I am sure someone even heavier than that has caloric needs you can’t even imagine which is why you can’t understand how someone that big could eat a damn pizza and not be worried about it.
Bottom line, you aren’t really gaining much of anything at this point so why act as if you can’t understand what people who are bigger than you and are trying to make progress are saying to begin with?
The missing variable? Lifting. When I was heavier, I didn’t even lift and all it took to weigh that much was second servings of carbs at dinner. I wasn’t THAT fat, either.
I train now and have trained well for 2+ years. Since then, I’ve put on 15 lbs of LBM. I dropped from 220 to 155. Now I’m up to 170. You can see in my pics (where I’m 165), that I’m pretty lean.
[quote]dhuge67 wrote:
The missing variable? Lifting. When I was heavier, I didn’t even lift and all it took to weigh that much was second servings of carbs at dinner. I wasn’t THAT fat, either.
I train now and have trained well for 2+ years. Since then, I’ve put on 15 lbs of LBM. I dropped from 220 to 155. Now I’m up to 170. You can see in my pics (where I’m 165), that I’m pretty lean.[/quote]
Are you attempting to make my point for me? If so, good job.
[quote]Dirty Tiger wrote:
tveddy wrote:
I prefer badger milk over muscle milk.
Wimp! REAL men drink coyote milk![/quote]
I’m more the ocelot cottage cheese guy but whatever floats your boat…
On a more serious note, I agree that buying a decent protein powder and adding olive oil, ground flax seeds or a source of carbs when required is the way to go.
[quote]Dominator wrote:
brucevangeorge wrote:
Kill’Em All wrote:
I dont know why anyone would drink muscle milk after reading this article:
Ok… does mucle milk also just make a regular protein shake? Without the toxic?
I’ve heard that Cytosport has removed the Glycocyamine from MM.[/quote]
I bought some Muscle Milk ( Chocolate Milk) and it tastes awesome. The extra fat calories are excellent for my goals however I realize canola is less than ideal. I realize the marketing behind this product is pretty much a scam but who cares - the problem I have is with the Glycocyamine .
I dont know if Dave Barr is 100% right but Glycocyamine is worrisome. As soon as I finish this tub I am gonna get another protein blend for my bedtime shakes. I wish Metabolic Drive was less $$ in Canada but right now it is priced out of my budget.
I think Muscle Milk LIGHT might be made without the Glycocyamine. Anybody know for sure?
I don’t follow you here. I think of a doughnut as unhealthy…
Tell me then, how does one doughnut cause poor health?
Individual foods are rarely “unhealthy”. The LIFESTYLE of eating certain foods the majority of the time is what can be unhealthy. If a bodybuilder is getting ready for a contest and spends 6 months dieting eating mostly chicken, fish, protein shakes and tuna…if they have a doughnut after the contest, how much has this damaged their health?
If some obese 40 year old has made “doughnuts and coffee” their staple for breakfast for 20 years, is the coffee unhealthy? Is the doughnut unhealthy?..or is their entire approach to eating “unhealthy”?
People who think like you are the same ones who think of a “hamburger” as “unhealthy” instead of thinking of food as “components”. What makes a hamburger “unhealthy”? Nothing. If you make it yourself it is beef, lettuce and a bun. Chances are your concept of food is screwed.[/quote]
The Prof is right about healthy foods. There are almost no foods that are inherently unhealthy, its more a matter of nutrient timing. So even a candy bar after training is not dangerous physically. BUT it can me mentally dangerous depending on your physique goals.
In other words, the body is good at handling simple sugars after a training session (see SURGE) but if you eat junkfood (candy bars) without understanding it - will you ever eat ‘clean’ or will all your meals be ‘cheat’ meals?
If your body is NOT carb tolerant AND you always eat ‘junkfood’ under the pretense that you are bulking, then I would bet your bulking gains would be mostly fat.
[quote]tveddy wrote:
Dirty Tiger wrote:
tveddy wrote:
I prefer badger milk over muscle milk.
Wimp! REAL men drink coyote milk!
Bullshit. You ever tried to milk a badger? Them lil fockers are mean.[/quote]
Heh. You ain’t knowin’ 'til you’ve milked a wolverine. ‘em fuckers’ll mess you up, serious.
On the plus side, though, I gained 29lbs LBM drinkin’ the stuff once the hole in my throat closed up.
This thread is amazing. So many of you lack any ability to parse or nuance.
Did I ever say Muscle Milk was good or bad? I simply said that, based on its nutrient profile, it isn’t much different that what a lot of people would consder “junk food.” Notice I never said “junk food” was categorically good or bad. I’m eating low-carbs, so I just had full-fat salami. I am also losing fat, so salami isn’t bad for me.
I’m willing to bet if you ate chocolate bars and some protein powder as your post-workout meal, your gains wouldn’t be that much different than if you used a “super shake.”
I’m also willing to bet if you’d quit worrying so much about “eating clean,” more would make gains.
John Berardi made his transformaton from “scrawny to brawny” by eating junk. Did you folks read what he actually ate? Multiple bagels and peanut butter, among other things! (My gosh, that’s F+C combinaton!) I think every big guy I know has taken down his share of “junk food” like pizzas and beer.
Maybe you should start looking at what succesful people actually do instead of theorizing.
Maybe you should start looking at what succesful people actually do instead of theorizing.[/quote]
Agreed. I am truly tired of hearing what “can” happen from people who haven’t come anywhere close to actually doing it. I just don’t see that many people who worried that much about “eating clean” all of the time who actually got anywhere near “huge”. The biggest concern is overall calories. Everything else is SECONDARY. There are people making great progress who eat what many here would consider “junk”. That is because your body doesn’t base it’s progress on whether your food is titled “clean” or “unclean”.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
This thread is amazing. So many of you lack any ability to parse or nuance.
Did I ever say Muscle Milk was good or bad? I simply said that, based on its nutrient profile, it isn’t much different that what a lot of people would consder “junk food.” Notice I never said “junk food” was categorically good or bad. I’m eating low-carbs, so I just had full-fat salami. I am also losing fat, so salami isn’t bad for me.
I’m willing to bet if you ate chocolate bars and some protein powder as your post-workout meal, your gains wouldn’t be that much different than if you used a “super shake.”
I’m also willing to bet if you’d quit worrying so much about “eating clean,” more would make gains.
John Berardi made his transformaton from “scrawny to brawny” by eating junk. Did you folks read what he actually ate? Multiple bagels and peanut butter, among other things! (My gosh, that’s F+C combinaton!) I think every big guy I know has taken down his share of “junk food” like pizzas and beer.
Maybe you should start looking at what succesful people actually do instead of theorizing.[/quote]
My PWO “super shake” is Surge. MM is my bedtime treat. Wouldn’t want a candy bar before bed now would I? Sugar and all…
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
I’m going to gag if I read another dumb question about the stuff.[/quote]
Well, why didn’t you just say so? If we knew you felt that way about it, we would’ve stopped holding that gun to your head ages ago.
You’re going to gag? Hell, welcome to our world, 'cause I’m willing to bet I’m not the only one here who gags on the e-spunk you shoot onto our screens with your laughably smug yet hilariously unimpressive supply of Internet-Masturbation threads.
Now I know, I get it, you want us to think that you’re way too busy being a fucking lightning rod for Guinness-quality Brilliant! ideas that you simply can’t be bothered to dim down that bulb over your head to a degree that would match our own knuckle dragging, hamster-on-treadmill noodles.
Thing is, though, you don’t get it. And, no, I’m not talking about why people drink Muscle Milk, which devilBASTARDdog justified quite nicely with [quote]it’s my choice; leave me the fuck alone.[/quote]
I’m also not talking about people who use avatars that aren’t themselves (lamest question ever, BTW).
What I’m talking about is that, to me (and I’m sure many, many others), all you come off as is the intellectual equivalent of the pudgy, balding, 50-year-old impotent in the cherry red sports car who insists on going 70 in a 30.
Only difference is - you aren’t going anywhere. And that’s a damn shame. At the very least bring some tissues for us next time.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The level of comprehension in some of these threads is amazing. There is a big gap between “shouldn’t think MM is such a healthy supplement” and “unhealthy”.[/quote]
Thank you “professor” for the semantics lesson. I’ll rephrase my question.
Why shouldn’t people think MM is such a healthy supplement?
It is my understanding that when following the Anabolic Diet, a meal or meal replacement that is high in fat and protein and low in carbs is a good thing. I was trying to ascertain if the high fat content of the shake was the reason for the statement or if there was something else that led the OP to that conclusion.
[quote]CCFan wrote:
It is my understanding that when following the Anabolic Diet, a meal or meal replacement that is high in fat and protein and low in carbs is a good thing. I was trying to ascertain if the high fat content of the shake was the reason for the statement or if there was something else that led the OP to that conclusion.
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Dr. Dipasquale’s book talks about MCT’s and how they aren’t a replacement for carbs. So muscle milk wouldn’t really be AD “compliant.”
For the record, Muscle Milk is fucking delicious. While it might not be the “cleanest” food, sometimes you just need to get a shitload of calories and it’s easy to mix this in with milk and get a 600-800 calorie breakfast in about 10 minutes; very important if you have to train early in the morning and were running late or something.