Why is This Program Working So Damn Well

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

Why not do both? You can cut fat without losing strength gains. I just don’t see a reason to wait to cut. And the idea of ‘solidifying gains’ is nonsense. If he continues to lift the way he is now, and cuts 1000 calories a day out of his diet, he’ll see positive results.[/quote]

Cutting fat w/out losing the strength is the goal. Though, FOR MYSELF, I thought a more aggressive approach was in order (mostly because I’m older than a lot of kids on here, and wanted to get after it while I still have a metabolism). I have lost some strength, I’m guessing maybe as high as 10 percent on some lifts, which is fine with me, considering I’ve cut my body weight by nearly twice that much.

As far as solidifying gains - and this is strictly broscience - these numbers reflect largely neurological adaptations, as they’re typical of beginner gains… maybe a little beyond. By doing a high volume program, these neurological adaptations are reenforced, which will help retain them during a cut.

I’m just giving the other side from what I picked up prior to my cut regarding strength loss concerns. Actually, I agree in not waiting to cut; particularly if OP is younger… a longer, softer cut might be in order (1 lb/week), if not just for the sake of really getting nutrition down. 4000 calories sounds way too high, but I wouldn’t be surprised if OP was overestimating. 2000 calories also sounds way too low for a cut, to which I also wouldn’t be surprised if he was overestimating.

I’m glad OP was able to find a program that works… now they just need nutrition that works.

1 man island: OP is 24. That’s pretty young. 1 lb per week would be too slow, given the fact that he’s realistically 80 lbs overweight.

Given that the OP has put on 60 lbs in 2 years of mostly fat, it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s actually eating 4000 calories per day. And I agree that to start, 2000 calories would be too low. I suggested 3000. I’m 170 lbs and cutting at 2200-2800 calories per day.

As far as the neurological adaptation that are reinforced by high volume programs: sure, I’ll roll with that. I just don’t see why a cut and a high volume program would be mutually exclusive.

I feel like the OP just really wants attention. The last thread he started was about doing 10 sets of squats and fucking afterwards. The thread screamed attention-whore. Here, he bragged about how great his results are, and how someone complimented when they were trying to sell him shit (which made me lol), then told me I couldn’t read when I criticized his approach.

Flip,
Ok, I understand you point. I just set my goal based on how I felt my body type was. I have always been heavy for my size and shape. When I was 15 and wasnt working out I had a chest that would stick out and kids used to point it out. Its because I have a barrel-like build for my upper body and really thick legs, even when untrained. I went to a doctors too around two years ago and got an xray. Doctor commented that I had really high bone density. Maybe that plays a part too. All I know is that anything below 180 is VERY hard for me to maintain and I started to look weak. I think losing 30lbs is a realist goal attainable in about a year, anything more I don’t know if I could do without getting intimidated. 350 squat is just a goal I really want to attain and I think I can do it by mid summer at the latest.

1 Man Island,
I was not overestimating the 2000cal. I had a food journal where I recorder every little thing I ate for about a year. It was always around 1900-2100. I made sure to buy foods that I could easily measure the portions. Thats how I got to 180, but like I said the effort was great and I wasnt that strong. Looked much leaner though.

Hmmm, forgot about the 60 lbs in 2 years… def. too much (half that would have been a lot) and OP may want to cut now before the body gets used to this body weight/fat level, despite lost strength gains.

Regarding cutting and volume… that’s another topic with coaches weighing in on both sides for different reasons. I do much higher volume on my cut than I did before.

OP, the journal was a good idea. Though, it’s more effective to gradually reduce calories/carbs. I’m in just over 2000 on my off days, but I’ve gradually reduced my consumption over months.

[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Aero, I’m going to be completely honest with you, and you can take it however you want.

You’re fat. Obese by definition. I don’t need even need to see a picture to know this. That’s nice that you’re getting complemented by a guy who’s trying to sell you something, but you’re 5’9, 240, and your lifts don’t come close to reflecting a muscular guy. I’m 5’10, 170, all my lifts are better than yours, and I’m probably in the 11-12% fat range. Based on your numbers, you’re likely over 30%. You need to get honest with yourself, asap. Eating 4000 calories a day is not going to work for you. Start your cut now. You won’t regret it.

Tough love.[/quote]

:cry: I’m 5’6" and 220… Imma start my cut now too.[/quote]

Try not to die this time lmao.

Hahahahahaha I tried not dying last time.

High volume and fatloss…

You could also just stick to the current plan but cut rest periods down to 30-40 secs and not worry about progression