Why is Nutrition So Controversial in Bodybuilding?

Diet and Nutrition
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I mean for real! What is the fuss over nutrition and why people can’t seem to get it right? To build muscle mass you must have a caloric surplus, which means that you must burn less than what you eat. so, are you telling us that we must eat a lot? yes. Won’t we get fat? no. How? It’s really easy, you eat a lot like we agreed to do, but you strictly eat healthy foods, in excess to build muscles (that’s the formula). Beware, though, If you eat a lot like I told you, but ate the wrong types of food, you WILL get fat. simple? right?

Let’s review it: You must eat a lot to fuel the muscles, but you also must eat with a smart mindset, healthy foods only, and It’s preferable that you only eat whole foods, no processed crap, nothing fried or with any kind of sauce, nothing wrapped into a box, no sugary treats. lean meats and fresh vegetables, dairy products, farm grown beans, fruits and grains only (I know it’s hard, I am in this mess right now, but I’m sure that I’m and you will be doing the right thing.)

another thing to add is, some of us aren’t good at gaining weight, you use supplementation pills and powders then, but beware and be smart about it, choose the right products for the task and ensure that they won’t harm you (in short, consult your doctor before taking them)
but what I just told you is for gaining lean muscle mass weight. what If you want to lose weight?

I assume you want to lose fat weight only, but how? You go through a caloric deficiency, which means you must burn more than what you eat, in order to lose fat, not muscles, because if you kept your healthy muscle fueling diet, you won’t lose those muscles you worked hard to obtain. But some of us have a bad metabolism to begin with, and working out isn’t enough to lose weight. well, you engage in Cardiovascular activity then, which is the opposite of isotonic activity (lifting weights).

Cardio is anything in which you exert physical effort in order to keep fit. what is the best type of cardio to lose weight? HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training), which in short means you exert yourself to a max for 30-60 seconds then go at it slowly for 1 minute or so, repeat for a total time of 20-25 minutes. The shift in effort intensity jumpstarts your heart and you burn twice more fat than normal cardio at a steady pace would do. HIIT Cardio examples include: Biking, sprinting, jumping rope, shadow boxing, battling ropes, sled drag, rowing…etc.

another way of losing weight isn’t through physical effort but meditation, because it helps you to regain contact with your stomach and know when it is full. Your last resort should be weight losing products, but use them with caution as you’d do for gaining weight. well, that’s pretty much it, in all its simplicity :slight_smile:

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Well, there are only so many variables in bodybuilding. To create a product and/or name for oneself, you need to create some sort of controversy or provide a product that makes you stand out. Hence all the controversy.

All of that controversy, for me, caused me to spin my wheels for a decade. Now that I’m following the simple approach you’ve laid out, guess what happened? Everything that I’ve been trying to do has happened. I don’t follow any macros, I don’t follow any specific nutritional timing.

I said this before on another thread and I think T.C. chimed in and gave me props, but believes my results could have been better using these types of nutritional strategies. He may have some merit there, but I doubt it would be significantly different, as least at this point in my lifting career.

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[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Well, there are only so many variables in bodybuilding. To create a product and/or name for oneself, you need to create some sort of controversy or provide a product that makes you stand out. Hence all the controversy.

All of that controversy, for me, caused me to spin my wheels for a decade. Now that I’m following the simple approach you’ve laid out, guess what happened? Everything that I’ve been trying to do has happened. I don’t follow any macros, I don’t follow any specific nutritional timing.

I said this before on another thread and I think T.C. chimed in and gave me props, but believes my results could have been better using these types of nutritional strategies. He may have some merit there, but I doubt it would be significantly different, as least at this point in my lifting career. [/quote]

thanks for your uplifting reply, I’m over the clouds right now hehe. It really is that simple: eat healthy + workout hard + get plenty of sleep = achieve what you want. And yes, I believe the controversy is to sell products while it is essentially easier than that. I’ve spun in your same wheel for a looonnnggg time due to said controversy, so I know what you’ve been through, but now I’ve seen the light :slight_smile:

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21 years old, been training for 9 months, weighs 165… yea, I can see how you would have all the answers.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:
21 years old, been training for 9 months, weighs 165… yea, I can see how you would have all the answers.[/quote]

You’re right to doubt my info, I’m merely one year and a half into this but I never said that I’ve been following this principle for years or anything. I’ve just discovered the right thing to do with common logic only, and with all due respect, I didn’t claim to have all the answers. 9 months is an old thing now.

I’m nearly one year and a half into this + I read a lot about bodybuilding and nutrition, and found out that a lot of people are confused over this, just wanted to clear things up, that’s all :slight_smile:
as for my weight, the confusion I’ve talked about led me to not eat enough, this is just a matter of time now

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Because bros like to complicate the shit out of everything! How else would some gurus earn their hefty incomes without making SLIGHT alterations in training and nutrition, or keeping, and then after being paid, divulging “secrets” about training and nutrition?

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Brick, you know as well as anyone that this post is in parts insufficient, in parts controversial, and in parts very much misguided. And I’m not talking about in nit-picky bro-ish ways.

Insufficient information: OP says nothing about macro breakdown when describing a proper muscle building/fat reducing diet. He just gives a vague ‘eat healthy’ suggestion.

controversial: he suggests dairy and grains, both of which are considered by many to be problematic, especially when dieting down. His comment about processed foods is dubious as well.

misguided: his entire interpretation of cardio.

My point is, many coaches/nutritionists do over-complicate things, particularly for the new guy. But anybody with some experience under their belt eventually realizes that to achieve more in the weight game, they will need to pay more attention to the details.

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Also lets not forget that the majority of people have been influenced by steroid users images… They EXPECT to look like insert-pro-here in a few years… That’s just what happens when you train with weights, right? Every picture I have seen for the last 70 years of the sport has featured a wildly muscular and super lean physique… Where is mine?

Lets take a look at the variables. I’m sleeping 8 hours a night, I’m training my ass off 5 days a week, I’m getting 1 g/lb of protein. I dont get why I dont look like Arnold yet? What gives? Hmmm, it must be the WAY I’m eating, or WHAT I’m eating, or HOW I’m eating, or how often, or what I’m eating and what times, etc…

Its really the one thing that you can manipulate endlessly.

I really think the under-the-rug nature of gear use in BBing has done more harm and caused more confusion to the natty crowd than anything else. If people had more realistic expectations of where their physique should be after 3,5,10 years of training there would be much less anxiety and jumping around going on.

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[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
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I really think the under-the-rug nature of gear use in BBing has done more harm and caused more confusion to the natty crowd than anything else. If people had more realistic expectations of where their physique should be after 3,5,10 years of training there would be much less anxiety and jumping around going on.[/quote]
This

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Eating only ‘healthy’ foods in a surplus will not somehow make you gain less fat then eating a surplus of shit foods, if the surplus is the same.

Food choices vary from person to person, the foods you said not to eat work for many, and some of the ones you suggested don’t form for a large amount of people.

Your definition of cardio, and HIIT, aren’t necessarily ‘wrong’, but not really correct either.

I know you probably had an epiphany like thing with lifting recently, we all do. Just realize you’ll have these like every 6-12 months, so don’t get to invested in what you ‘know’ now. lol

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Brick, you know as well as anyone that this post is in parts insufficient, in parts controversial, and in parts very much misguided. And I’m not talking about in nit-picky bro-ish ways.

Insufficient information: OP says nothing about macro breakdown when describing a proper muscle building/fat reducing diet. He just gives a vague ‘eat healthy’ suggestion.

controversial: he suggests dairy and grains, both of which are considered by many to be problematic, especially when dieting down. His comment about processed foods is dubious as well.

misguided: his entire interpretation of cardio.

My point is, many coaches/nutritionists do over-complicate things, particularly for the new guy. But anybody with some experience under their belt eventually realizes that to achieve more in the weight game, they will need to pay more attention to the details.[/quote]

Fair points, and good post.

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[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

I know you probably had an epiphany like thing with lifting recently, we all do. Just realize you’ll have these like every 6-12 months, so don’t get to invested in what you ‘know’ now. lol [/quote]

Excellent! I’m still having them regularly!