Why Is Denial of Racism a Right Wing Issue In the West?

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As soon as somebody think I have to either stand for their cause or I stand against it, they have to fuck off.

That type of inductive reasoning without critical thinking is toxic.

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Exactly.

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The real hurt from racism isn’t one on one abuse. Its the constant socially reinforced feeling that you can’t succeed and you are not welcome. My fiances father played football in a European nation in the 80s. He constantly had monkey chants and banana skins thrown at him.

He said his own fans would monkey chant him if he was playing badly and cheer him if they were winning. If you can’t imagine the kind of social alienation this causes to black people in the west i literally don’t know what to tell you man. Its not hard to empathise with people if you really try.

Going I had it hard once so others having it harder should stop whining is just justifying systemic attitudes of bigotry and telling the victims to deal with it. As John F. Kennedy famously said, ā€œThose who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.ā€

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Ding ding ding. Its not that you don’t know that the past affects black people today, tis that you don’t give a fuck. THIS IS THE REALITY.

This is you responding to people pointing out racism today against black people is rampant. Its pretty fragile as a response. Its basically brainrot from internet poisoning and listening to retards like Kendi and conflating that with people just pointing out constant experiences of racism. People aren’t just making their experiences up. Black people have not just been crying wolf for decades. No other topic do white people get this obscurantist and defensive about.

Bryant Gumbel used to get pulled over by cops on a weekly basis while he was hosting real sports lol. Its not a huge conspiracy to make the west seem racist. The west is racist and being able to deal with that without feeling personally attacked isn’t some imposition.

I used to think black people like Malcom X were nuts. But if I imagine I was black and had to deal with what my ex wife or my current fiance deal with on a daily basis, I genuinely think I would end up wanting to just segregate. Its tiring for me to just see constant racism denied. Ive been jumped for being with a black woman and had rude things said, but thats not the grinfing reality of constant servings of shit followed by everyone denying it is shit and telling you it was chocolate ice cream.

Growing up I never thought id feel safer raising my kid in Kenya over the west. But I genuinely would feel it was safer and less frought with constant bullshit for him as a mixed race person that growing up here.

Ive told you before that jews have always had an ability to understand because theyve dealt with the dxact same thing. Ive never had a jew have a problem with me or my wife/GF.

I think eigher knowing how it feels or loving someone who experiences racism makes peolle aware. Sometimes though they can choose to remain blind. Ultimately every individual is responsible for thrir own soul. Its a choice to ignore just like germans who ignored antisemitism made their choice then.

Are you asking why people ā€œignoreā€ racism, as you state incorrectly in your original post, or why we don’t feel like it should be our responsibility as individuals today to take reparative action for a history we did not participate in? The context has gotten confusing.

A view that is pushed by liberals and their soft bigotry of low expectations.

Yes, and Eastern European players have been called gypsies. Northern Italian fans will have racist, anti Southern chants when a team from the South plays their team. It’s low class behavior from garbage people but don’t push the false narrative only black players suffer from it.

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Gumbel is not a reliable source.

The West is racist yet it is the only part of the world willing to address and correct it.

Here’s the thing about the OP; he isn’t mad about how his wife or whatever was treated, he’s upset about who treated her that way. How dare these uneducated, broke cretins treat a black woman who makes more money than they do and is better educated than they are in such a disgusting manner.

He had already judged these individuals based on their socioeconomic status before they ever encountered his wife. He thinks people in those circumstances are inferior, regardless of how they treat black people.

What gets him upset is that these people who he sees as inferior are acting uppity and don’t know their place. Sound familiar?

Maybe be the bigger person you believe yourself to be and show some compassion and try to understand why these people behave as they do. Yes, vilify racism but don’t dehumanize racists, it’s makes you no different than they are.

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No, it’s not. It’s me responding to a specific poster that posted a specific thing…

There’s nothing fragile about the response. Kendi is an idiot, but he is a driving force in the DEI space. How in the world would discrimination defeat discrimination?

Kendi is a leading voice in the anti-racism DEI space and he is not alone in this sentiment. How to be an anti-racist sold millions of copies and his work is quoted consistently. You even said my response is fragile, where does that come from? Robin DeAngelo ā€œwhite fragilityā€ another outspoken voice in the DEI space that believe in the same drivel as Kendi and came up with this idea to stop debate.

I’m not conflating anything. A significant portion of the population believes in Kendi’s drivel and believe that yes you should discriminate to make up for past discrimination. I think that’s dumb as hell and voiced that opinion.

Never said they were.

Never said they were.

No where in this thread have I been defensive and if anything I’m pointing how how dumb and counter productive DEI is. It just makes things worse.

This is the point I was trying to make earlier. Conservatives view people on an individual basis. What ā€œthe westā€ does is irrelevant to me. I don’t even know how to begin to address this idea of systemic racism in ā€œthe westā€. I can account for myself and myself only.

Human beings are tribal by nature. Every group of people is racist to a degree, but the US has done more to combat this fundamental aspect of our nature than any other nation. Doesn’t mean there aren’t still issues to work out. Doesn’t mean there still aren’t assholes that are racist. Doesn’t mean racism is worse in certain counties or states than others, but we at least we try to make things better here. Again, can’t speak for Europe I have no idea how it is there.

I’ve had to sit through meetings and training sessions where the underlying implication is that white men are responsible for societies issues particularly when it comes to racism in America. I have DEI instructions for new hires I have to follow. I can’t just hire the best person I have to check certain boxes off first. How is that not an imposition?

Look, I was born in 1986, nearly 20 years after the civil rights act was passed, my extended family on my dad’s side is very diverse, and I spent my early 20s in one of the ultimate melting pots (The Marine Corps.), but somehow it’s my fault black Americans are worse off than other groups? How is that not a personal attack?

Being told that the discrimination of previous generations should be dealt with through current discrimination (against people that look like me) and future discrimination (against my white kids) is, at the bare minimum, an imposition. Why would I support that?

Again, if people just weren’t assholes we’d be in a better place, but assholes like Kendi teach that you have to be an asshole to stop people from being assholes and it makes zero sense.

If that makes me ā€œfragileā€ then I guess it is what it is. Just keep in mind I tried to give you an actual answer to your questions, but ultimately do not care at all what people look like, who they fuck, or what dangles or does not dangle between their legs. I could not care less if I tried.

Maybe leave where ever it is you live. Seriously. It sounds awful.

Your feelings are your feelings… When I was a kid we used to go down to Baltimore City quite a bit and I absolutely won’t take my family there now. Maybe the world is just a shitier place now than 20 years ago.

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Not even for an Orioles game? Lame.

I’d rather go to a Keys game.

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Oh how disappointing, this Julius Malema guy seems like a weak leader. Instead of actually of taking action on his desire for genocide he wants to prance around the idea of it. What a stupid song.

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Where do you live? Like what part of the country?

The reason I ask Is I grew up in a region of New York that was 95% white with some cities being 75% white. There race is a much more tense subject. Blacks and whites seem to always be aware of it with accusations and defensiveness. Race was just talked about a lot for a place where you wouldn’t think it would be.

Now I’m in a part of South Carolina thats probably 40% white, 40% black and 20% everything else. Race is just not part of the discussion. People just don’t talk about it or seem to care at all. And in the ā€œracist south!ā€ I was really surprised, but thats how it is.

So you mean statistically the crime rates of POC are attributed to the lack of a peaceful revolution? I’m sure you will say statistics are racist too, but please answer.

Also since your reply to me did not answer any prior questions, here they are again.

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People vary.

I know several who wouldn’t be fond of your interracial marriage, including a former owner at a previous job who said while looking me straight in the face, ā€œI don’t approve of interracial marriage.ā€

Despite such disapproval, likely none of these people would give you a problem, as far as I know.

When I was 20 years old I took a black woman on a date at an Israeli restaurant and was looked at like I had three heads. There was no way of knowing why they were looking at us like that. It could have been disapproval, curiosity, or surprise.

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She might have been kinda hot too! :smiley:

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