So, out of the 4-paragraphs, that’s what you choose to focus on? That is what you respond to?
You said:
I provided a different perspective and asked you directly if you could not agree with it.
You might want to grasp the concept of generalities. You also need to differentiate the North, as a government, and the North as the citizens.
The North as a government, the USA, fought to reunite the nation. Slavery ended, on paper, with the Emancipation Proclamation before the war was over. The war, in effect, was fought by the North to reunite the nation and enforce the law, such that it was, with regard to slavery.
Of course individual northerners had varying motives and combinations of motives but the fact remains that the Norther states abolished slavery without a war. Regardless of how they felt about the war or black people, they found slavery, as a group, immoral. If the North did not have moral issues with slavery, it would have had slavery. If the North did not have moral issues with slavery, there would have been no Civil War. Try as much as you want and you won’t divorce moral beliefs from the war.
Maybe the draft made those supposed issues irrelevant. Also, the fact that the South attacked the North (Fort Sumter), effectively declaring war.
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Do you not like my response?
Good luck with that strategy! Most people kinda hate ultimatums.
And you haven’t answered any of his questions, which were asked in good faith. You just offered up a red herring instead by skid-bitching into catholicism and its problems.
You sir, are being Disingenuous.
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Lol… find a liberal echo chamber then crybaby. For a guy that talks tough you seem softer than baby shit. One of them self loathing huwhytes? The complete lack of self awareness is definitely a hallmark of your kind. Probably the most tedious and annoying thing about you. Talk about banging ones head against a steel wall…
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@asmonius You can’t answer a single one of the straightforward questions I asked. No examples given to back up your feelings.
As I expected from a liberal who is angry at conservatives but can’t explain why in remotely clear terms. All emotions, no logic.
I recommend asking your TRT doc why your brain works like a woman’s.
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Why does your wife dictate what you post…? I extended an olive branch earlier… I would like to see some real answers to the questions but you keep posting your feelings and generalities. You’ve tried to make your presence and feelings known so answer the questions.
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How have a lived this long without this term in my life?
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On the political compass map, I am generally a bit left of center and libertarian (bottom left corner, but more down than left). I think most regulars here have a good idea of where I sit politically. I just mention it to qualify my answers.
As far as specific problem behaviors regarding conservatives and race, I don’t think on an individual level there is a whole lot of racists among the group. I have seen some odd takes from my more conservative friends that are perhaps not racist, but could also be seen that way. I’ll not get into it too much because as I said there are other explanations to these ideas, but I sometimes think those ideas aren’t consistent. Just as a quick example, something like my more conservative friends saying they would support the idea that store owners should be able to shoot looters during the George Floyd protests / riots. Would these friends think that it is okay to shoot general shop lifters? IDK, but I doubt it. Then what is it about those looters that makes them okay with shop owners shooting them?
As far as policy, there isn’t much racist policy left in the US (aside from what remains of things like affirmative action). I think it is okay to concede that. Minor examples are out there. I can’t remember the state, but a court did recently find that a GoP drawn voting map used race to water down the black vote. On a policy level, it is not realistic to pass racist laws even if someone wanted to. So it doesn’t happen much, or it isn’t going to be blatant if it does pass.
As far as prominent conservative politicians, I can’t really even name anyone that is currently holding a position that is conservative. Are there any out there?
Trump isn’t a conservative, but he did have talking points that were questionable. Asking why we are getting all the Mexicans, and why not the Scandinavians I think is an example. One can find ways to make this question not racist. I’ll admit that. He just had so many of these type of statements that it is tough for me to not think it was racist.
That’s a lot of words to trot out vague notions of Donald Trump being possibly racist and some of your buddies holding a reasonable opinion that you’re allowed to defend your property from riot mobs.
Maybe the hard working Korean shopkeepers were just being racists on the rooftops, not defending their livelihoods.
Otherwise it is just more left wing narrative repetition. Conservatives are racist! What informs this belief? The belief that conservatives are racists, that’s what.
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Its all they have… sadly it works as many liberals are emotionally gullible smooth brains
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I would. Store owners and employees should not have to risk their safety to stop thieves. And they should not have to let thieves take their things. A “Hey, you have to pay for that” followed by said thief leaving and NOT paying for it? The THIEF caused his shooting.
The number of looters is the obvious difference.
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Could it be that looting / rioting are not the same situations as one-off shoplifting?
A shoplifter steals a few dollars to a maybe a few thousand dollars worth of goods. Looters clean whole stores out and often burn them to the ground. They’re kind of different scenarios.
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I don’t really see how the number of people justifies shooting?
I understand the feeling of wanting to protect what belongs to you. I don’t really understand advocating mass shootings to stop it even if the ones being shot are thieves in a scenario like what happened.
I don’t either. I think if a single person values your property more than their life that’s on them.
At what point is it okay, in your opinion, to react to violence with violence?
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I wouldn’t call theft violence. If there is theft with violence, then responding with violence is acceptable. Being mugged for your wallet would be an example. Responding with violence to protect yourself or others is acceptable.
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Theft is a general term. Looting tends to accompany violence. I would argue that a store owner or employee is being reasonable to believe they are in physical danger when a store is looted.
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I assume you mean shoplifting here? I think a lot of theft involves violence.
If you mean shoplifting then it sounds like you basically agree with your friends because looting almost always involves violence to some degree.
It doesn’t justify it-the criminals’ actions do that. It’s just an obvious difference between the two situations.
What IS an acceptable response to theft?
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Why are you so pressed? 