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So did white people.
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Some white people. And their own people hated them for it and occasionally lynched them. Which is why opinion polls done in SA showed the vast majority of whites supported apartheid. And they downplayed racism in SA like the white people in here are mostly doing regarding Americaā¦
No please learn to read. The places Rome conquered, the people there moved en masse to Rome. Please read a history book from time to time.
There is a concensus racism exists in America by every philosopher on the fucking planet. Internal and external investigations into the courts, police etc find systemic racism every time. Same for the armed forces.
Proving racism is simply pointing out black men without priors will face double the sentence as white men despite again ALL OTHER FACTORS BEING CONTROLLED FOR. How come someone prove racism to you except by showing you wild differneces in outcomes, incarceration rates etc?
And there are only two options you can believe, its due to socioeconomic factors, or black people are inferior. Why do you personally think black people do far worse than white people in America? Are they genetically inferior or is it socioeconomic conditions?
I am not saying youāre wrong here, but I find the part in all caps to be hard to believe. Are all other factors ever really accounted / controlled for? It is quite hard to believe that they really looked at every single possibility to explain differences in outcome.
I bring this up, because people look at arrest rate or sentencing outcomes and point to racism. They claim that other factors are accounted for, but usually I can think of at least a few things that were not.
Were both the white guy and the black guy tried in the same court? Same judge? Same pool of jurors? Perhaps different location are less tolerant of crime, and black guys happen to be tried in those areas.
Are plea deals being accounted for? Often poorer defendants just take plea deals because they canāt afford a proper defense (which is a problem).
Is the quality of defense being considered? Poorer individuals for example usually donāt have as good of defense as OJ Simpson. You better believe if a middle class or lower white guy did what OJ did, heād be in prison.
Now, I do think there is a racial component that explains the differences in sentencing. I just donāt know if all factors are considered. I wouldnāt be comfortable saying race is the only thing that got them twice the sentence. Itās been noticed that being conventionally attractive gets you a lower sentence than if you ugly. It has been noticed that women get substantially lower sentences than men for the same crimes.
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By that metric, yes. 
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First, there is some merit to your statement although I believe it to be patently false in most occasions, but Iām sure it has occurred. You have a chicken or egg scenarios here. Black men in the USA and UK commit crimes at a much higher rate than whites. So yes courts and jurors should view each case objectively but thatās also not human nature. So are they incarcerated more due to racism or because they commit more crime?
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And sexism, by pointing out women receive considerably light sentences for the same crime as a man when all other factors are controlled for.
Pretty women even less so
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Since you said they were enslaved, they didnāt move but were moved.
Thereās a consensus by every person in the world that racism exists in America and everywhere else. Youāre arguing a point no one is making.
Can you post proof of that?
Because white people like you keep telling them that poorer outcomes are inevitable and deny them any agency over their own lives. Itās why Biden can say the incredibly racist statement that if a black voter doesnāt vote for him, he isnāt black. Apparently white people need to teach blacks how to be black.
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lmao
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Who says it doesnāt exist?
Please provide names, quotes and/or videos.
Not just some nebulous finger pointing.
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Exactly. He is deviating from the original intent of the thread as he spirals out of thought. The whole thread is why donāt conservatives care more. Weāve answered that.
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Even the original premise is screwed up. I know plenty of conservatives irl, and none of them have or would deny that racism is a thing.
Its just nonsensical finger pointing. Thats why I told him early on that the conversation goes no further until he does some learning about the origin and function of the Klan.
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Iām not a right winger, maybe more of a 90s liberal (I guess that would make me a conservative by todaysās standard, I canāt even tell anymore), but I think one should factor in what is today considered to be āāBlack cultureāā in 'Merica, aka, being a āāgangstaāā.
Maybe Iām cray, but it seems to me that being a thug is still somewhat glorified by the black community and claimed as part of their culture.
Even Chappelle, whose comedy I (still) love (even though Iām burnt out on racial comedy) is sometimes like āāhey, look at that white guy in the audience, GIMME YOUR MONEY, BITCHāā.
Now, I know thatās comedy and all, but itās a stereotype perpetuated by many blacks (and I know many of them are against being portrayed in such fashion by their own, and rightly so).
I mean, no shit people will be weary of this kind of people. No shit the po-lice will be suspicious of people who look like this:
or this:
But also this:
I bet youāll see things shifting for the best when black culture stops gloryfying criminal lifestyles and celebrating more people like this:
Itās something I noticed, but I could be wrong. I donāt mind being wrong.
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Whats up with that link? It threw up some goofy looking script.
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I dunno.
I was in denial at first, but realized it was an issue and took it down.
Letās hope right wingers in the West can do the same regarding racism.
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