[quote]Nards wrote:
Canada may be a great place but we really have a lot of shitty singers…that’s true.\
The only good Canadian singer is Gordon Lightfoot.[/quote]
Y U NO LIKE ALANIS MORISETTE???
The funny thing is my brother apparently used to walk Alanis to school back in the day. We used to live down the street from the Morrisettes in Ottawa.
Still…Gordon Lightfoot.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
‘A gratuitous liberals vs conservatives debate’? My views don’t fit into categories like that. I could be described as ‘left-wing’ because I believe in freedom and democracy and such. I could be described as ‘right-wing’ because I believe people should work for a living and not collaborate with sand Nazis and such. I could be described as ‘liberal’ because I support liberal causes like democratic Israel instead Hamas. I could be called ‘conservative’ because I don’t want a fucking Marxist/socialist revolution in my country. No ‘tidy little category here’. Just sanity.[/quote]
Good. We both have complex views. Then let’s leave the O’Reilly-esque buzzwords out of the debate.
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As for your distaste for ‘moral relativism’, I’m just fucking speechless. I mean I wouldn’t want to upset your sensibilities by suggesting something like Al Qaeda being a greater moral evil than the US government. It might ‘polute’ any debate to make such moral distinctions.[/quote]
Dude. CALM THE FUCK DOWN. Again, I don’t feel like repeating something you misinterpreted. Take a deep breath, go open up a book, and look up the meaning of “moral relativism.” I’m sure you’ll regain your capacity for speech in no time. Furthermore, I’d appreciate it if you wouldn’t project asinine Chomskyan beliefs onto me. Much obliged.
[quote]Nards wrote:
Canada may be a great place but we really have a lot of shitty singers…that’s true.\
The only good Canadian singer is Gordon Lightfoot.[/quote]
Gordon Downie.
[quote]bcingu wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
‘A gratuitous liberals vs conservatives debate’? My views don’t fit into categories like that. I could be described as ‘left-wing’ because I believe in freedom and democracy and such. I could be described as ‘right-wing’ because I believe people should work for a living and not collaborate with sand Nazis and such. I could be described as ‘liberal’ because I support liberal causes like democratic Israel instead Hamas. I could be called ‘conservative’ because I don’t want a fucking Marxist/socialist revolution in my country. No ‘tidy little category here’. Just sanity.[/quote]
Good. We both have complex views. Then let’s leave the O’Reilly-esque buzzwords out of the debate.
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As for your distaste for ‘moral relativism’, I’m just fucking speechless. I mean I wouldn’t want to upset your sensibilities by suggesting something like Al Qaeda being a greater moral evil than the US government. It might ‘polute’ any debate to make such moral distinctions.[/quote]
Dude. CALM THE FUCK DOWN. Again, I don’t feel like repeating something you misinterpreted. Take a deep breath, go open up a book, and look up the meaning of “moral relativism.” I’m sure you’ll regain your capacity for speech in no time. Furthermore, I’d appreciate it if you wouldn’t project asinine Chomskyan beliefs onto me. Much obliged.[/quote]
I’m perfectly calm. I just happen to use the word ‘fucking’ a lot. I also understand the concepts of moral relativism. I’m not going to go into it but suffice to say that someone who derides moral relativism can be assumed to be rejecting the notion that their society is inherently morally superior to other societies. One would assume this because the vast majority of ethical philosophers who have broached the subject espoused ethical objectivity.
If you were talking about moral relativism from an ethically subjective perspective then I have misunderstood you however I still don’t see how this would ‘polute’ any debate on issues of morality.
(Deep breath…exhale…) Fucking calm now.
[quote]JaseHxC wrote:
Pfft at least 'Bama has Skynrd…what has Egypt ever given the musical world?[/quote]
What the fuck is up with your love of the USA? As far as I can see it says you’re from Nova Scotia. You could always move south of the border.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’m perfectly calm. I just happen to use the word ‘fucking’ a lot. I also understand the concepts of moral relativism. I’m not going to go into it but suffice to say that someone who derides moral relativism can be assumed to be rejecting the notion that their society is inherently morally superior to other societies. One would assume this because the vast majority of ethical philosophers who have broached the subject espoused ethical objectivity.
If you were talking about moral relativism from an ethically subjective perspective then I have misunderstood you however I still don’t see how this would ‘polute’ any debate on issues of morality.[/quote]
Just think about it semantically; relativism is at complete odds with absolutism. The belief that one’s country is morally superior to another’s is an absolutist view. I happen to hold that view as an American.
Some people don’t understand why we have nukes, but don’t want to allow theocratic despots in Iran to have any. Some people cringe when Osama Bin Laden is referred to as being “evil.” These people are idiots and moral relativists.
And when I referred to dialectic “pollution,” I was just trying to steer the conversation away from lib v. con mudslinging. That shit belongs in PWI.
[quote]bcingu wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’m perfectly calm. I just happen to use the word ‘fucking’ a lot. I also understand the concepts of moral relativism. I’m not going to go into it but suffice to say that someone who derides moral relativism can be assumed to be rejecting the notion that their society is inherently morally superior to other societies. One would assume this because the vast majority of ethical philosophers who have broached the subject espoused ethical objectivity.
If you were talking about moral relativism from an ethically subjective perspective then I have misunderstood you however I still don’t see how this would ‘polute’ any debate on issues of morality.[/quote]
Just think about it semantically; relativism is at complete odds with absolutism. The belief that one’s country is morally superior to another’s is an absolutist view. I happen to hold that view as an American.
Some people don’t understand why we have nukes, but don’t want to allow theocratic despots in Iran to have any. Some people cringe when Osama Bin Laden is referred to as being “evil.” These people are idiots and moral relativists.
And when I referred to dialectic “pollution,” I was just trying to steer the conversation away from lib v. con mudslinging. That shit belongs in PWI.[/quote]
I agree with you but the thing is this thread belongs in PWI. I don’t know who Marzouk is but he’s an Egyptian who started a thread ‘Why America Sucks and Egypt Doesn’t’. I had a look and saw that it was a good natured joke so I stayed out of the mud slinging. This response thread has turned into a serious analysis of Egyptian/US society so I contributed.
NOOOO PWI threads are boring. Fuck off.
Change the thread title to “How to score one night stands in Egypt.”
For… my research.
[quote]SlothGuy wrote:
[quote]JaseHxC wrote:
Pfft at least 'Bama has Skynrd…what has Egypt ever given the musical world?[/quote]
What the fuck is up with your love of the USA? As far as I can see it says you’re from Nova Scotia. You could always move south of the border.[/quote]
What’s wrong with liking the USA? They’ve given us so many things to be grateful for. I’m a Canadian through and through and will always stand on guard for thee, but I would have no qualms with living in the States.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]bcingu wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’m perfectly calm. I just happen to use the word ‘fucking’ a lot. I also understand the concepts of moral relativism. I’m not going to go into it but suffice to say that someone who derides moral relativism can be assumed to be rejecting the notion that their society is inherently morally superior to other societies. One would assume this because the vast majority of ethical philosophers who have broached the subject espoused ethical objectivity.
If you were talking about moral relativism from an ethically subjective perspective then I have misunderstood you however I still don’t see how this would ‘polute’ any debate on issues of morality.[/quote]
Just think about it semantically; relativism is at complete odds with absolutism. The belief that one’s country is morally superior to another’s is an absolutist view. I happen to hold that view as an American.
Some people don’t understand why we have nukes, but don’t want to allow theocratic despots in Iran to have any. Some people cringe when Osama Bin Laden is referred to as being “evil.” These people are idiots and moral relativists.
And when I referred to dialectic “pollution,” I was just trying to steer the conversation away from lib v. con mudslinging. That shit belongs in PWI.[/quote]
I agree with you but the thing is this thread belongs in PWI. I don’t know who Marzouk is but he’s an Egyptian who started a thread ‘Why America Sucks and Egypt Doesn’t’. I had a look and saw that it was a good natured joke so I stayed out of the mud slinging. This response thread has turned into a serious analysis of Egyptian/US society so I contributed.[/quote]
Meh i’m only half Egyptian and half English, born and bred in England only lived in Egpyt for a year n a bit.
But yeah my other thread was just a play on words and a light hearted joke, kinda disturbin how talking about an X-men film can lead to conversing about vaginal mutilation…
You’re on T-Nation, Marzouk. Count yourself lucky it didn’t turn into a 14 page meme shitstorm.
/b/ stays truer to topic than this place. lol
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
Meh i’m only half Egyptian and half English
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So I guess you like tea then? Now you’ve got to drink your shai in a bone china cup with a fox hunting print on it. It’s called assimilation. 
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
Meh i’m only half Egyptian and half English
[/quote]
So I guess you like tea then? Now you’ve got to drink your shai in a bone china cup with a fox hunting print on it. It’s called assimilation. :)[/quote]
I like my tea green, in england they put cow juice in it and in Egypt the avaerage is around 5 sugars crazy bastards!
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
Meh i’m only half Egyptian and half English
[/quote]
So I guess you like tea then? Now you’ve got to drink your shai in a bone china cup with a fox hunting print on it. It’s called assimilation. :)[/quote]
I like my tea green, in england they put cow juice in it and in Egypt the avaerage is around 5 sugars crazy bastards![/quote]
lol yeah that’s awful. I love green tea with mint leave but usually they put so much sugar that it becomes syrupy. No wonder everyone is butthurt in this country, insane sugar crash.
I didn’t finish reading the thread, but I’m quite shocked the guys from Egypt are flat-out denying the WHO information and claiming it’s not reputable.
Please, if the information is wrong, provide another source. If you think the methodology is bad, look it up and show how it’s wrong. Sticking your fingers in your ears and posting links to some bar in Cairo is making you look pretty bad.
Sorry about the seriousness on gal.
[quote]bcingu wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]bcingu wrote:
Still, the Catholic church is the last place I would look to for moral guidance.
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Well, then let’s just go redo the Nuremberg Trials. After all, our Natural Law was used. [/quote]
Right, I must have forgotten that you invented morality and therefore monopolize it. Which is ironic since the Nuremberg trials were necessary because of one overzealous, mustachioed Catholic in particular. Too bad he jumped ship before the trials occurred. I’m sure he repented just in time, though.[/quote]
We didn’t invent morality, however we did produce writings on a large portion of morality and we are the only ones who have held to that teaching as being true. And, no again we didn’t invent it, it comes from G-d. Wanna produce some proof here, or are we claiming that Hitler was a Catholic again.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Wanna produce some proof here, or are we claiming that Hitler was a Catholic again.[/quote]
I’m probably missing out on some strange personal argument here, but Hitler was raised by Catholics, attended a Catholic school for a time, and was confirmed a Catholic. Further some close to him claim he was a Catholic until he died.
wtf is a G-d, and don’t we have enough of this bullshit in the PWI forum?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]bcingu wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]bcingu wrote:
Still, the Catholic church is the last place I would look to for moral guidance.
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Well, then let’s just go redo the Nuremberg Trials. After all, our Natural Law was used. [/quote]
Right, I must have forgotten that you invented morality and therefore monopolize it. Which is ironic since the Nuremberg trials were necessary because of one overzealous, mustachioed Catholic in particular. Too bad he jumped ship before the trials occurred. I’m sure he repented just in time, though.[/quote]
We didn’t invent morality, however we did produce writings on a large portion of morality and we are the only ones who have held to that teaching as being true. And, no again we didn’t invent it, it comes from G-d. Wanna produce some proof here, or are we claiming that Hitler was a Catholic again.[/quote]
Let me get this straight…you’re claiming God created morality…and you’re complaining that I’M the one who hasn’t provided proof? That is hilarious.
And yes, Hitler was a Catholic. Refer back to Gambit_Lost’s post, then read Mein Kampf.