bricknyce wasn’t wrong in what he posted. I had mentioned a co-worker of mine who had come to me for some advice. So we weren’t discussing someone who was interested in bodybuilding. Bodybuilders are who this thread was directed towards though.
Excuse me for not reading the whole thread, but I figured I would just put myself out there. I have one hell of a time being consistent with training, now granted at 20 years old my excuses are fairly shitty. I dont know what about being consistent with lifting throws me off, but something does, so I am lifting with 4 buddies who have similar goals to mine now, the accountability is helping- but I hope I get to the point where I can go in and lift whenever I need to solo. Also, I am just plain lazy as hell with my diet, which is why my strength is more advanced than my aesthetics. T-Nation definitely helps with motivation to be successful lifting wise, because there are people here making consistent progress which I try to mirror.
I am not trying to be a Mr. Olympia competitor, but my goals still require loads of dedication so heres to pulling my head out of my ass.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I just want to know what is holding some of you back. There are clearly some here who can and do push for more than average…and we all know who they are by now…but why do so many others seem to not be moving forward much at all?
How many people here have ever gotten a response like, “what the fuck have you been eating?”…from someone who was big and not sedentary?
Just askin’[/quote]
I was trying to understand the scenario of “WTF have you been eating?” - is that said by a more advanced lifter indicating that I’ve grown/progressed/exploded? In other words, it’s a compliment?
Anyway,
It probably sounds silly, but I get a LOT of my motivation from this site. It’s not that there are not big guys where I live but I think they are few and far between. Here I’m inspired by the training logs and threads of all categories of lifters (young and mature, male and female, BB/PL/etc). It helps me set high, stretch goals and keep working towards them.
I read through current and old threads in the hope to gain more knowledge and learn how to apply it to my own training, diet and life. EVERY member of this board that I’ve PM’d for advice has always responded kindly. More than 95% of the questions I ask in threads get answered or has been asked already. What more could I ask for? I don’t reply in some threads because I really don’t know what the correct answer is and will be better off observing rather than embarrassing myself with the wrong reply.
If anything, having the BB/TCA forum helps me push harder further. I’ll be 33 in May, I’m pissed I didn’t capitalise enough on training in my 20s, but there’s not a damn thing I can do about it but keep disciplined, keep getting better at my diet, keep working hard for me. I have no excuses, really - there are people here with greater responsibilities, commitments and challenges in life and despite all that produce outstanding results.
As eager as I am to try a new training method, program, equipment, whatever, this last 3 to 4 months I’ve learn to keep things simple, focus my attention on ONE program that allows me to attack all major muscle groups twice a week and ensure my isolation work is effective and not change it every 6 weeks. Maturing as a lifter - that’s something this site has really helped doing.
Here is my opinion and it deals more with what I have seen from my generation. I am 24 so this generally applies to me and those younger then me.
In general, the average high school kid is more spoiled than ever before. Most don’t have to have jobs, live in the city, and play lots of videogames. They have never really had to work hard in their life before (there are obvious exceptions, but I was not one of them).
When I wanted to start working out to get stronger, I didn’t know how to push myself cuz I spent 17 years being lazy on my ass. I hadn’t conditioned my mind or body on how to work hard physically. I feel that this is a problem for most kids around my age. I think older generations grew up working hard physically as kids and knew how to push themselves better. It took me a couple of years before I really started making progress simply because I didn’t know how to work hard.
Once again, there are plenty of exceptions out there, but the majority of my generation rarely stresses themselves physically, so when they decide to start training they don’t make progress for a few months and quit because they don’t understand what it means to work hard. I thought I was working hard then, but its nothing compared to how hard I work now.
I think Big Nasty has already addressed this issue:
“Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder; don’t nobody wanna lift this heavy ass weight!”
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
I’m sure a lot of people simply dont want to be huge. I’m pretty sure thats the honest answer more times than not.[/quote]
No offense, but we’ve been through this. No one is expecting all people to have the same goals. I am talking about WHY so few ever move past “works out”. If this were not the BODYBUILDING FORUM, you would have more of a point. Regardless of how big you really want to be, if you are here, the goal should be to NOT be average looking…because that ain’t bodybuilding.[/quote]
Oh i totally agree with your points.
I think there are a lot of people in life (and on this site) that talk a big game, but thats all it is… talk. I dont know why anyone would want to look/be “average.” Some people just dont have what it takes (mentally or physically)
My personal goals arent to get IFBB Pro Heavy weight size (i probably couldnt get that big even if I wanted to) but I definitely dont look average and dont plan on being average at anything.[/quote]
I ask politely:
How can someone be good or excellent at everything? Most are good at a few things - if that - and that’s it.
If everyone looks the same, then there is no average. So you won’t look above average if everyone and their mother starts trying hard to get buff.
Average people are needed in this world. Who else is going to be cashier or ditch digger or butter bagels?
[quote]K-Man32 wrote:
[quote]123watson wrote:
I don’t mean any disrespect to anyone in this thread, there are some good points. As K-Man32 said, as did I, this is a bodybuilding forum, correct me it I’m wrong but I don’t think there are CEOs, Lawyers, Docs, etc writing here. I by no means want to say they are not worried about health either, its just I think the focus should be on people who strive to be the biggest, baddest, and strongest guy around. What is holding them back? I am by no means there yet, I am going to be though. Well actually, is there an end? When you push harder, don’t you just want more? Add another x number of pounds to your squat, round out the shoulders a bit more. Do you have the fire? The will to drive on? For me this is sometimes blurred, but after reading some logs and watching the amazing videos of things I aspire to achieve, my goal becomes all to clear.[/quote]
Well, I wouldn’t go treading into what other people do for a living. Prof x is a dentist for example, a dentist that WANTS to get as big as he can. That’s the take home point, the CEO in brick’s post didn’t want to get big. The rest of your points i agree with, this thread is for people actively striving to get bigger. It’s also for the obstacles people run into/ ways to make time for it, etc.
[/quote]
I posted what I did knowing this is a bodybuilding forum! The thing is the guy I was responding to was talking about his interactions with people who are just regular gym goers (eg, 39 yr old lady who wants to MAINTAIN her figure and guy who doesn’t give a shit either way) and how he can’t understand why they don’t give a shit as much as he does about gym and muscle matters.
Did you read his and my post carefully?
If someone wants to get fucking huge, then they better be in this for the long haul and go to great measures to get to huge!
And yes, there are CEOs who are jacked. Uh, Dave Tate comes to mind! So does Dave Palumbo of Species Nutrition. Both are very successful in what they do and are friggin’ jacked!
Rick Collins, former T-Nation contributor and hot shot lawyer and author, who I met this past fall at the Hofstra Steroid Conference is bigger than 99.9% of people on here.
I thank you for my compliment on my post, but it wasn’t a “rant”. I don’t really appreciate it when people express their disdain for people who simply want to be in shape and maintain their health and physique. According to that line of reasoning, people who exercise 5 to 6 times per week but isn’t looking to be jacked or run marathons are “not understandable”.
It’s understood that if you wanna look friggin’ huge, you gotta do some grueling shit.
It’s also understood that people who want to be healthy and athletic and look decent nude aren’t average doofuses.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
I’m sure a lot of people simply dont want to be huge. I’m pretty sure thats the honest answer more times than not.[/quote]
No offense, but we’ve been through this. No one is expecting all people to have the same goals. I am talking about WHY so few ever move past “works out”. If this were not the BODYBUILDING FORUM, you would have more of a point. Regardless of how big you really want to be, if you are here, the goal should be to NOT be average looking…because that ain’t bodybuilding.[/quote]
Oh i totally agree with your points.
I think there are a lot of people in life (and on this site) that talk a big game, but thats all it is… talk. I dont know why anyone would want to look/be “average.” Some people just dont have what it takes (mentally or physically)
My personal goals arent to get IFBB Pro Heavy weight size (i probably couldnt get that big even if I wanted to) but I definitely dont look average and dont plan on being average at anything.[/quote]
I ask politely:
How can someone be good or excellent at everything? Most are good at a few things - if that - and that’s it.
If everyone looks the same, then there is no average. So you won’t look above average if everyone and their mother starts trying hard to get buff.
Average people are needed in this world. Who else is going to be cashier or ditch digger or butter bagels?
[/quote]
Your post makes ZERO sense. Hes not talking about anyone but himself. Im pretty sure he knows his own capabilities and potential. Who the hell are you to say that he cant be good at anything he puts his mind to?
No where did he say that EVERYONE has the ability to do EVERYTHING/ANYTHING.
Youre such a loser its not even funny. You hide it behind a shroud of “being realistic”. But youre simply a loser. I see it. Even the other losers you associate with see it. Your self defeating attitude is so cancerous to ambition and progress its amazing that you even socialize with other people. We get it, you personify the qualities of the ‘beta’ personality type. Its good that youve found a way to rationalize your boring existence by telling yourself that its normal to be average at everything.
But please, for the love God, shut. the. fuck. up.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
I’m sure a lot of people simply dont want to be huge. I’m pretty sure thats the honest answer more times than not.[/quote]
No offense, but we’ve been through this. No one is expecting all people to have the same goals. I am talking about WHY so few ever move past “works out”. If this were not the BODYBUILDING FORUM, you would have more of a point. Regardless of how big you really want to be, if you are here, the goal should be to NOT be average looking…because that ain’t bodybuilding.[/quote]
Oh i totally agree with your points.
I think there are a lot of people in life (and on this site) that talk a big game, but thats all it is… talk. I dont know why anyone would want to look/be “average.” Some people just dont have what it takes (mentally or physically)
My personal goals arent to get IFBB Pro Heavy weight size (i probably couldnt get that big even if I wanted to) but I definitely dont look average and dont plan on being average at anything.[/quote]
I ask politely:
How can someone be good or excellent at everything? Most are good at a few things - if that - and that’s it.
If everyone looks the same, then there is no average. So you won’t look above average if everyone and their mother starts trying hard to get buff.
Average people are needed in this world. Who else is going to be cashier or ditch digger or butter bagels?
[/quote]
Your post makes ZERO sense. Hes not talking about anyone but himself. Im pretty sure he knows his own capabilities and potential. Who the hell are you to say that he cant be good at anything he puts his mind to?
No where did he say that EVERYONE has the ability to do EVERYTHING/ANYTHING.
Youre such a loser its not even funny. You hide it behind a shroud of “being realistic”. But youre simply a loser. I see it. Even the other losers you associate with see it. Your self defeating attitude is so cancerous to ambition and progress its amazing that you even socialize with other people. We get it, you personify the qualities of the ‘beta’ personality type. Its good that youve found a way to rationalize your boring existence by telling yourself that its normal to be average at everything.
But please, for the love God, shut. the. fuck. up. [/quote]
I’m PERSONALLY ambitious, realizing not everyone else is. I don’t remember saying I wasn’t personally ambitious.
I also socialize with quite a few people.
And where did I say that he can’t accomplish a lot?! He seems like an intelligent, hard working guy to me.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]K-Man32 wrote:
[quote]123watson wrote:
I don’t mean any disrespect to anyone in this thread, there are some good points. As K-Man32 said, as did I, this is a bodybuilding forum, correct me it I’m wrong but I don’t think there are CEOs, Lawyers, Docs, etc writing here. I by no means want to say they are not worried about health either, its just I think the focus should be on people who strive to be the biggest, baddest, and strongest guy around. What is holding them back? I am by no means there yet, I am going to be though. Well actually, is there an end? When you push harder, don’t you just want more? Add another x number of pounds to your squat, round out the shoulders a bit more. Do you have the fire? The will to drive on? For me this is sometimes blurred, but after reading some logs and watching the amazing videos of things I aspire to achieve, my goal becomes all to clear.[/quote]
Well, I wouldn’t go treading into what other people do for a living. Prof x is a dentist for example, a dentist that WANTS to get as big as he can. That’s the take home point, the CEO in brick’s post didn’t want to get big. The rest of your points i agree with, this thread is for people actively striving to get bigger. It’s also for the obstacles people run into/ ways to make time for it, etc.
[/quote]
I posted what I did knowing this is a bodybuilding forum! The thing is the guy I was responding to was talking about his interactions with people who are just regular gym goers (eg, 39 yr old lady who wants to MAINTAIN her figure and guy who doesn’t give a shit either way) and how he can’t understand why they don’t give a shit as much as he does about gym and muscle matters.
Did you read his and my post carefully?
If someone wants to get fucking huge, then they better be in this for the long haul and go to great measures to get to huge!
And yes, there are CEOs who are jacked. Uh, Dave Tate comes to mind! So does Dave Palumbo of Species Nutrition. Both are very successful in what they do and are friggin’ jacked!
Rick Collins, former T-Nation contributor and hot shot lawyer and author, who I met this past fall at the Hofstra Steroid Conference is bigger than 99.9% of people on here.
I thank you for my compliment on my post, but it wasn’t a “rant”. I don’t really appreciate it when people express their disdain for people who simply want to be in shape and maintain their health and physique. According to that line of reasoning, people who exercise 5 to 6 times per week but isn’t looking to be jacked or run marathons are “not understandable”.
It’s understood that if you wanna look friggin’ huge, you gotta do some grueling shit.
It’s also understood that people who want to be healthy and athletic and look decent nude aren’t average doofuses. [/quote]
I don’t know who your replying to, i mentioned to not tread on other peoples professions. Which means, don’t go around thinking that CEO’s and the such don’t strive to be/already are huge. That’s why i put up the professor x example.
I don’t have any hard feelings towards people wanting to be healthy or in shape.
But whatever, you win…this is the internet and people can derail threads by mentioning things that aren’t exactly on topic (you know, the topic is about striving to get huge) because everybody is entitled to their own opinion. I’m just going to keep reading and hope to get some more useful information/motivation from this thread.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
If everyone looks the same, then there is no average.[/quote]
If I get an 80 on every single math test this semester, do I not get a grade at the end?
Oh, and the guy in this video destroys your theory that one can’t be awesome at everything.
[quote]ericcartman wrote:
I think Big Nasty has already addressed this issue:
“Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder; don’t nobody wanna lift this heavy ass weight!”[/quote]
damn i know ronnie sounds kinda funny when he talks but you are making him just plain stupid lol
[quote]K-Man32 wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]K-Man32 wrote:
[quote]123watson wrote:
I don’t mean any disrespect to anyone in this thread, there are some good points. As K-Man32 said, as did I, this is a bodybuilding forum, correct me it I’m wrong but I don’t think there are CEOs, Lawyers, Docs, etc writing here. I by no means want to say they are not worried about health either, its just I think the focus should be on people who strive to be the biggest, baddest, and strongest guy around. What is holding them back? I am by no means there yet, I am going to be though. Well actually, is there an end? When you push harder, don’t you just want more? Add another x number of pounds to your squat, round out the shoulders a bit more. Do you have the fire? The will to drive on? For me this is sometimes blurred, but after reading some logs and watching the amazing videos of things I aspire to achieve, my goal becomes all to clear.[/quote]
Well, I wouldn’t go treading into what other people do for a living. Prof x is a dentist for example, a dentist that WANTS to get as big as he can. That’s the take home point, the CEO in brick’s post didn’t want to get big. The rest of your points i agree with, this thread is for people actively striving to get bigger. It’s also for the obstacles people run into/ ways to make time for it, etc.
[/quote]
I posted what I did knowing this is a bodybuilding forum! The thing is the guy I was responding to was talking about his interactions with people who are just regular gym goers (eg, 39 yr old lady who wants to MAINTAIN her figure and guy who doesn’t give a shit either way) and how he can’t understand why they don’t give a shit as much as he does about gym and muscle matters.
Did you read his and my post carefully?
If someone wants to get fucking huge, then they better be in this for the long haul and go to great measures to get to huge!
And yes, there are CEOs who are jacked. Uh, Dave Tate comes to mind! So does Dave Palumbo of Species Nutrition. Both are very successful in what they do and are friggin’ jacked!
Rick Collins, former T-Nation contributor and hot shot lawyer and author, who I met this past fall at the Hofstra Steroid Conference is bigger than 99.9% of people on here.
I thank you for my compliment on my post, but it wasn’t a “rant”. I don’t really appreciate it when people express their disdain for people who simply want to be in shape and maintain their health and physique. According to that line of reasoning, people who exercise 5 to 6 times per week but isn’t looking to be jacked or run marathons are “not understandable”.
It’s understood that if you wanna look friggin’ huge, you gotta do some grueling shit.
It’s also understood that people who want to be healthy and athletic and look decent nude aren’t average doofuses. [/quote]
I don’t know who your replying to, i mentioned to not tread on other peoples professions. Which means, don’t go around thinking that CEO’s and the such don’t strive to be/already are huge. That’s why i put up the professor x example.
I don’t have any hard feelings towards people wanting to be healthy or in shape.
But whatever, you win…this is the internet and people can derail threads by mentioning things that aren’t exactly on topic (you know, the topic is about striving to get huge) because everybody is entitled to their own opinion. I’m just going to keep reading and hope to get some more useful information/motivation from this thread.[/quote]
I didn’t post what I did to argue with you or “win”. I like your posts on this site and you seem like a good guy.
For some reason, this reminds me of when Beyonce said that it’s sexier when women look like they don’t work out.
I don’t understand why someone, of any gender, will put the effort to work out for a couple hours a day just to look like… they don’t work out.
[quote]Nikki9591 wrote:
For some reason, this reminds me of when Beyonce said that it’s sexier when women look like they don’t work out.
I don’t understand why someone, of any gender, will put the effort to work out for a couple hours a day just to look like… they don’t work out.[/quote]
I think it’s safe to say nearly all people go to a gym or do other activities are trying to look better, even if they’re not aiming to look like a fitness model or bodybuilder.
In my unit everyone has seemed to have been bitten by the crossfit/triathlon bug, personally I just don’t like it. There is this stigma going around the just because we are “spec ops” we have to train like the operators do and if not then I am hindrance to the team rather than a asset. To an extent I agree with them but I am a grown ass man…If I want to be an iron slinging heathen then so be it. But as soon as I put on some decent weight we go back to group PT and I have to do what everyone else is doing. Excuses maybe…but I am still trying to figure this all out.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
I’m sure a lot of people simply dont want to be huge. I’m pretty sure thats the honest answer more times than not.[/quote]
No offense, but we’ve been through this. No one is expecting all people to have the same goals. I am talking about WHY so few ever move past “works out”. If this were not the BODYBUILDING FORUM, you would have more of a point. Regardless of how big you really want to be, if you are here, the goal should be to NOT be average looking…because that ain’t bodybuilding.[/quote]
Oh i totally agree with your points.
I think there are a lot of people in life (and on this site) that talk a big game, but thats all it is… talk. I dont know why anyone would want to look/be “average.” Some people just dont have what it takes (mentally or physically)
My personal goals arent to get IFBB Pro Heavy weight size (i probably couldnt get that big even if I wanted to) but I definitely dont look average and dont plan on being average at anything.[/quote]
I ask politely:
How can someone be good or excellent at everything? Most are good at a few things - if that - and that’s it.
If everyone looks the same, then there is no average. So you won’t look above average if everyone and their mother starts trying hard to get buff.
Average people are needed in this world. Who else is going to be cashier or ditch digger or butter bagels?
[/quote]
Your post makes ZERO sense. Hes not talking about anyone but himself. Im pretty sure he knows his own capabilities and potential. Who the hell are you to say that he cant be good at anything he puts his mind to?
No where did he say that EVERYONE has the ability to do EVERYTHING/ANYTHING.
Youre such a loser its not even funny. You hide it behind a shroud of “being realistic”. But youre simply a loser. I see it. Even the other losers you associate with see it. Your self defeating attitude is so cancerous to ambition and progress its amazing that you even socialize with other people. We get it, you personify the qualities of the ‘beta’ personality type. Its good that youve found a way to rationalize your boring existence by telling yourself that its normal to be average at everything.
But please, for the love God, shut. the. fuck. up. [/quote]
Just forgot to add that I’m actually above average in several things I’ve taken up.
I also forgot to give thanks to you. I mean, after all, I’ve only repeatedly COMPLIMENTED and stated RESPECT for you in several threads.
That was cool dude. Thanks.
Most people come to a forum because they really have no direction with what they’re doing at all.
I found T-Nation because of the articles back in 07. I was clueless on training and diet and pretty much was reading everything and easily got sucked into programs claiming “magic” results. I joined the forums and my posts were pretty similar to the posts we get from the newbies now. “How’s my split,” “Why do we have days where we just can’t lift as much,” some topics I remember asking about.
I stuck around and now I know a substantial amount more than I used to, mainly derived from trial and error. I like to talk training and to help people who are intrested in learning so I stuck around to kill time when I am up late and would rather be engaged in lifting talk than watching pointless telivision.
But back to my original point. The vast majority are not big and strong or making adequate progress and because of that, they are hear seeking information on how to get there.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Most people come to a forum because they really have no direction with what they’re doing at all.
I found T-Nation because of the articles back in 07. I was clueless on training and diet and pretty much was reading everything and easily got sucked into programs claiming “magic” results. I joined the forums and my posts were pretty similar to the posts we get from the newbies now. “How’s my split,” “Why do we have days where we just can’t lift as much,” some topics I remember asking about.
I stuck around and now I know a substantial amount more than I used to, mainly derived from trial and error. I like to talk training and to help people who are intrested in learning so I stuck around to kill time when I am up late and would rather be engaged in lifting talk than watching pointless telivision.
But back to my original point. The vast majority are not big and strong or making adequate progress and because of that, they are hear seeking information on how to get there.[/quote]
Good post.