Why Doesn't God Communicate With Us Anymore?

[DoubleDuce]

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
“The only way to not have “stupid faith” is to have no beliefs at all about the nature of existence”

So, if I believe I exist, is that “stupid faith”?[/quote]

“nature of existence”

You must have missed the qualifier before existence.[/quote]

Clarify, then.[/quote]

Why/how you exist. Meaning. metaphysical origin. First cause (or belief in no first cause). perpetual existence. Existence in and of itself. Infinite regress. est.[/quote]

We’re having this discussion in Bible Contradictions 2.0. At the risk of unwanted spillover here to there and back, do you think humans are “hardwired” to have any frame of reference, any possible understanding, any grasp whatsoever on the concept of “eternity”. If we do, I’d like to hear it because all things we experience begin and end. Perhaps it’s this paradigm of of our minds that leads us to search so desperately for “why” and “how”. Maybe it just “is” and always will be.[/quote]

Well, if you are reasoning your beliefs from the experience in the universe it only flows that there is a cause.

The real monkey wrench is, what reason do we really have to believe our experience within the universe is in any way indicative of a possible reality outside/before it? There isn’t.

And I think you are missing that point. Having a why and how and being infinite aren’t mutually exclusive.

There is no real reason to narrow your view of existence based on the rules of the universe. Time itself is a component of the universe. There is no reason to narrow the scope of something outside the universe to our concept of time. In other words something infinite in the scope of the universe could still have an origin outside of time.

Most people have a problem thinking about time in non-absolute terms. Generally, people are okay with dismissing other internal components of the universe when discussing god or whatever. The concept of god generally has no length, width, depth, mass, or electric charge. People seem okay with throwing away those concepts when discussing god.

But the truth is that time is no different. It is just a dimensional component of the way the universe works. If you are going to have an honest discussion about god/origin/meaning you cannot apply time to it. And I think that is a harder concept to grasp at than infinity. Some times I feel like I have some insight into what without time would be and sometimes I don’t.

[DoubleDuce]

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Uh, the Lord still does communicate both “nationally” and “personally” the last time was around Vatican II (I’m not aware of any apparitions, or prophets since then) and personally it happens all the time.[/quote]

Gtfo

I hope I’ll never meet you IRL.
[/quote]

I’m curious, why are the hatred for that post?

Anyone who would threaten someone for their personal beliefs in no way affecting them has issues.[/quote]

Because the rabid far left has no patience for anything other than their politically correct agenda. Many of them, if they could get away with it, would in fact try to silence those of us who believe in God just about any way possible.

But none of this is a surprise to me as the Bible predicts that this will occur. In fact, they are acting this way right on cue.
[/quote]

Because the rabid far right has no patience for anything that does not comport lock-step with their religious agenda (you must be saved, you’re damned, etc.). Many of them, and they have gotten away with it, have silenced those that do not believe in their God in just about any way possible, including murder and the burning of books and records.

Does the above sound familiar?[/quote]

No offense but religious persecution goes both ways.

I’m more inclined to believe in the corruption and evil of human nature than the excuses people use for it.[/quote]

I don’t think I made any point that would imply that “corruption” does not go both ways. Man is corrupt. We know this. But throughout history, which have we seen? Have we seen atheists campaign against the rights of the religious, to the point of murder, war and censorship? Or have we seen those campaigns waged in the name of religion against another religion? In fact, we are now in the midst of that very dynamic with Islam. Does Christianity have clean hands? When collateral damage in the way of innocent lives occurred in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, do you think those innocents distinguished between America and Christianity in light of our then President’s references to “his God”?

I submit there is a Holy war occurring right now, and Christianity is very much a participant. [/quote]

Eh, atheists in large quantities have done bad stuff too. I think what we see is the simple matter of statistically, most people believe in god, so most crimes are committed by people who believe in god.

I fully believe that without religion people can and will find other excuses for war.

It’s really an excuse, not a reason. The reason is man himself.

[ZEB]

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Uh, the Lord still does communicate both “nationally” and “personally” the last time was around Vatican II (I’m not aware of any apparitions, or prophets since then) and personally it happens all the time.[/quote]

Gtfo

I hope I’ll never meet you IRL.
[/quote]

I’m curious, why are the hatred for that post?

Anyone who would threaten someone for their personal beliefs in no way affecting them has issues.[/quote]

Because the rabid far left has no patience for anything other than their politically correct agenda. Many of them, if they could get away with it, would in fact try to silence those of us who believe in God just about any way possible.

But none of this is a surprise to me as the Bible predicts that this will occur. In fact, they are acting this way right on cue.
[/quote]

Because the rabid far right has no patience for anything that does not comport lock-step with their religious agenda (you must be saved, you’re damned, etc.). Many of them, and they have gotten away with it, have silenced those that do not believe in their God in just about any way possible, including murder and the burning of books and records.

Does the above sound familiar?[/quote]

Sorry I’m not aware of anyone being silent on the left…about anything. Oh and by the way thanks for posting last on that other thread we were on. Your OCD that I was betting on won me a steak dinner, (with red wine of course), over the weekend.

You’re aces with me TBG.

[TheBodyGuard]

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
“The only way to not have “stupid faith” is to have no beliefs at all about the nature of existence”

So, if I believe I exist, is that “stupid faith”?[/quote]

“nature of existence”

You must have missed the qualifier before existence.[/quote]

Clarify, then.[/quote]

Why/how you exist. Meaning. metaphysical origin. First cause (or belief in no first cause). perpetual existence. Existence in and of itself. Infinite regress. est.[/quote]

We’re having this discussion in Bible Contradictions 2.0. At the risk of unwanted spillover here to there and back, do you think humans are “hardwired” to have any frame of reference, any possible understanding, any grasp whatsoever on the concept of “eternity”. If we do, I’d like to hear it because all things we experience begin and end. Perhaps it’s this paradigm of of our minds that leads us to search so desperately for “why” and “how”. Maybe it just “is” and always will be.[/quote]

Well, if you are reasoning your beliefs from the experience in the universe it only flows that there is a cause.

The real monkey wrench is, what reason do we really have to believe our experience within the universe is in any way indicative of a possible reality outside/before it? There isn’t.

And I think you are missing that point. Having a why and how and being infinite aren’t mutually exclusive.

There is no real reason to narrow your view of existence based on the rules of the universe. Time itself is a component of the universe. There is no reason to narrow the scope of something outside the universe to our concept of time. In other words something infinite in the scope of the universe could still have an origin outside of time.

Most people have a problem thinking about time in non-absolute terms. Generally, people are okay with dismissing other internal components of the universe when discussing god or whatever. The concept of god generally has no length, width, depth, mass, or electric charge. People seem okay with throwing away those concepts when discussing god.

But the truth is that time is no different. It is just a dimensional component of the way the universe works. If you are going to have an honest discussion about god/origin/meaning you cannot apply time to it. And I think that is a harder concept to grasp at than infinity. Some times I feel like I have some insight into what without time would be and sometimes I don’t.[/quote]

You didn’t answer my question. You confused it. Eternity is not necessarily “time” anyway. See what you did there? You brought your hard wiring to the discussion We do not yet understand time. Our best understanding is that time is movement, and that is probably inadequate. That said, I do not believe “eternity” is time.

[ZEB]

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Uh, the Lord still does communicate both “nationally” and “personally” the last time was around Vatican II (I’m not aware of any apparitions, or prophets since then) and personally it happens all the time.[/quote]

Gtfo

I hope I’ll never meet you IRL.
[/quote]

I’m curious, why are the hatred for that post?

Anyone who would threaten someone for their personal beliefs in no way affecting them has issues.[/quote]

Because the rabid far left has no patience for anything other than their politically correct agenda. Many of them, if they could get away with it, would in fact try to silence those of us who believe in God just about any way possible.

But none of this is a surprise to me as the Bible predicts that this will occur. In fact, they are acting this way right on cue.
[/quote]

Because the rabid far right has no patience for anything that does not comport lock-step with their religious agenda (you must be saved, you’re damned, etc.). Many of them, and they have gotten away with it, have silenced those that do not believe in their God in just about any way possible, including murder and the burning of books and records.

Does the above sound familiar?[/quote]

No offense but religious persecution goes both ways.

I’m more inclined to believe in the corruption and evil of human nature than the excuses people use for it.[/quote]

I don’t think I made any point that would imply that “corruption” does not go both ways. Man is corrupt. We know this. But throughout history, which have we seen? Have we seen atheists campaign against the rights of the religious, to the point of murder, war and censorship? Or have we seen those campaigns waged in the name of religion against another religion? In fact, we are now in the midst of that very dynamic with Islam. Does Christianity have clean hands? When collateral damage in the way of innocent lives occurred in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, do you think those innocents distinguished between America and Christianity in light of our then President’s references to “his God”?

I submit there is a Holy war occurring right now, and Christianity is very much a participant. [/quote]

Eh, atheists in large quantities have done bad stuff too. I think what we see is the simple matter of statistically, most people believe in god, so most crimes are committed by people who believe in god.

I fully believe that without religion people can and will find other excuses for war.

It’s really an excuse, not a reason. The reason is man himself.[/quote]

That is the inherent evil in man. It matters not what religion, or even if there is no religion. Man is stained by sin and there is only one way to wash that stain free for eternity and that is through the cleansing blood of Jesus Christ.

[TheBodyGuard]

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Uh, the Lord still does communicate both “nationally” and “personally” the last time was around Vatican II (I’m not aware of any apparitions, or prophets since then) and personally it happens all the time.[/quote]

Gtfo

I hope I’ll never meet you IRL.
[/quote]

I’m curious, why are the hatred for that post?

Anyone who would threaten someone for their personal beliefs in no way affecting them has issues.[/quote]

Because the rabid far left has no patience for anything other than their politically correct agenda. Many of them, if they could get away with it, would in fact try to silence those of us who believe in God just about any way possible.

But none of this is a surprise to me as the Bible predicts that this will occur. In fact, they are acting this way right on cue.
[/quote]

Because the rabid far right has no patience for anything that does not comport lock-step with their religious agenda (you must be saved, you’re damned, etc.). Many of them, and they have gotten away with it, have silenced those that do not believe in their God in just about any way possible, including murder and the burning of books and records.

Does the above sound familiar?[/quote]

No offense but religious persecution goes both ways.

I’m more inclined to believe in the corruption and evil of human nature than the excuses people use for it.[/quote]

I don’t think I made any point that would imply that “corruption” does not go both ways. Man is corrupt. We know this. But throughout history, which have we seen? Have we seen atheists campaign against the rights of the religious, to the point of murder, war and censorship? Or have we seen those campaigns waged in the name of religion against another religion? In fact, we are now in the midst of that very dynamic with Islam. Does Christianity have clean hands? When collateral damage in the way of innocent lives occurred in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, do you think those innocents distinguished between America and Christianity in light of our then President’s references to “his God”?

I submit there is a Holy war occurring right now, and Christianity is very much a participant. [/quote]

Eh, atheists in large quantities have done bad stuff too. I think what we see is the simple matter of statistically, most people believe in god, so most crimes are committed by people who believe in god.

I fully believe that without religion people can and will find other excuses for war.

It’s really an excuse, not a reason. The reason is man himself.[/quote]

Well, you walked right around that one didn’t ya? Okay, let’s name the wars committed in the name of atheism shall we? You start, because I cannot think of any. Having a war for other reasons (such as Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor and other wars) is not the same as a conflict over religion. We have had those, haven’t we? Yes or no?

[TheBodyGuard]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Uh, the Lord still does communicate both “nationally” and “personally” the last time was around Vatican II (I’m not aware of any apparitions, or prophets since then) and personally it happens all the time.[/quote]

Gtfo

I hope I’ll never meet you IRL.
[/quote]

I’m curious, why are the hatred for that post?

Anyone who would threaten someone for their personal beliefs in no way affecting them has issues.[/quote]

Because the rabid far left has no patience for anything other than their politically correct agenda. Many of them, if they could get away with it, would in fact try to silence those of us who believe in God just about any way possible.

But none of this is a surprise to me as the Bible predicts that this will occur. In fact, they are acting this way right on cue.
[/quote]

Because the rabid far right has no patience for anything that does not comport lock-step with their religious agenda (you must be saved, you’re damned, etc.). Many of them, and they have gotten away with it, have silenced those that do not believe in their God in just about any way possible, including murder and the burning of books and records.

Does the above sound familiar?[/quote]

Sorry I’m not aware of anyone being silent on the left…about anything. Oh and by the way thanks for posting last on that other thread we were on. Your OCD that I was betting on won me a steak dinner, (with red wine of course), over the weekend.

You’re aces with me TBG.

[/quote]

I see you’re still at the top of your game posting nothing of substance. You’re queens with me Zeb

[TheBodyGuard]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Uh, the Lord still does communicate both “nationally” and “personally” the last time was around Vatican II (I’m not aware of any apparitions, or prophets since then) and personally it happens all the time.[/quote]

Gtfo

I hope I’ll never meet you IRL.
[/quote]

I’m curious, why are the hatred for that post?

Anyone who would threaten someone for their personal beliefs in no way affecting them has issues.[/quote]

Because the rabid far left has no patience for anything other than their politically correct agenda. Many of them, if they could get away with it, would in fact try to silence those of us who believe in God just about any way possible.

But none of this is a surprise to me as the Bible predicts that this will occur. In fact, they are acting this way right on cue.
[/quote]

Because the rabid far right has no patience for anything that does not comport lock-step with their religious agenda (you must be saved, you’re damned, etc.). Many of them, and they have gotten away with it, have silenced those that do not believe in their God in just about any way possible, including murder and the burning of books and records.

Does the above sound familiar?[/quote]

No offense but religious persecution goes both ways.

I’m more inclined to believe in the corruption and evil of human nature than the excuses people use for it.[/quote]

I don’t think I made any point that would imply that “corruption” does not go both ways. Man is corrupt. We know this. But throughout history, which have we seen? Have we seen atheists campaign against the rights of the religious, to the point of murder, war and censorship? Or have we seen those campaigns waged in the name of religion against another religion? In fact, we are now in the midst of that very dynamic with Islam. Does Christianity have clean hands? When collateral damage in the way of innocent lives occurred in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, do you think those innocents distinguished between America and Christianity in light of our then President’s references to “his God”?

I submit there is a Holy war occurring right now, and Christianity is very much a participant. [/quote]

Eh, atheists in large quantities have done bad stuff too. I think what we see is the simple matter of statistically, most people believe in god, so most crimes are committed by people who believe in god.

I fully believe that without religion people can and will find other excuses for war.

It’s really an excuse, not a reason. The reason is man himself.[/quote]

That is the inherent evil in man. It matters not what religion, or even if there is no religion. Man is stained by sin and there is only one way to wash that stain free for eternity and that is through the cleansing blood of Jesus Christ.
[/quote]

It matters not what religion when you are fighting in the name of religion? That’s a curious statement.

We cannot wash our stains of sin thru Allah? Why?

[ZEB]

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

I see you’re still at the top of your game posting nothing of substance. You’re queens with me Zeb

[/quote]

Hey if I didn’t thank you it just wouldn’t be right. I also fully expect you to have the final word in this thread as well, OCD does that to a person. But no one will be foolish enough to bet me this time. So…I fear you’ve out posted your usefulness to me.

Oh and as to being substantive; the scary part is you THINK you’re writing with substance. You are actually trying But hey it’s about entertainment right? And you are entertaiing for sure.

[ZEB]

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Uh, the Lord still does communicate both “nationally” and “personally” the last time was around Vatican II (I’m not aware of any apparitions, or prophets since then) and personally it happens all the time.[/quote]

Gtfo

I hope I’ll never meet you IRL.
[/quote]

I’m curious, why are the hatred for that post?

Anyone who would threaten someone for their personal beliefs in no way affecting them has issues.[/quote]

Because the rabid far left has no patience for anything other than their politically correct agenda. Many of them, if they could get away with it, would in fact try to silence those of us who believe in God just about any way possible.

But none of this is a surprise to me as the Bible predicts that this will occur. In fact, they are acting this way right on cue.
[/quote]

Because the rabid far right has no patience for anything that does not comport lock-step with their religious agenda (you must be saved, you’re damned, etc.). Many of them, and they have gotten away with it, have silenced those that do not believe in their God in just about any way possible, including murder and the burning of books and records.

Does the above sound familiar?[/quote]

No offense but religious persecution goes both ways.

I’m more inclined to believe in the corruption and evil of human nature than the excuses people use for it.[/quote]

I don’t think I made any point that would imply that “corruption” does not go both ways. Man is corrupt. We know this. But throughout history, which have we seen? Have we seen atheists campaign against the rights of the religious, to the point of murder, war and censorship? Or have we seen those campaigns waged in the name of religion against another religion? In fact, we are now in the midst of that very dynamic with Islam. Does Christianity have clean hands? When collateral damage in the way of innocent lives occurred in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, do you think those innocents distinguished between America and Christianity in light of our then President’s references to “his God”?

I submit there is a Holy war occurring right now, and Christianity is very much a participant. [/quote]

Eh, atheists in large quantities have done bad stuff too. I think what we see is the simple matter of statistically, most people believe in god, so most crimes are committed by people who believe in god.

I fully believe that without religion people can and will find other excuses for war.

It’s really an excuse, not a reason. The reason is man himself.[/quote]

That is the inherent evil in man. It matters not what religion, or even if there is no religion. Man is stained by sin and there is only one way to wash that stain free for eternity and that is through the cleansing blood of Jesus Christ.
[/quote]

It matters not what religion when you are fighting in the name of religion? That’s a curious statement.[/quote]

Not at all curious. In fact, it’s a very open statement that anyone can fully understand. Shall I simplify it more for you? Okay, man is a sinner PERIOD. Get it yet?

We cannot wash our stains of sin thru Allah? Why?

As you probably know by now I am a Christian and I believe that Jesus Christ as the son of God Sacrificed his life on this earth so that through our belief we are saved of our sin.

[Tiribulus]

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Uh, the Lord still does communicate both “nationally” and “personally” the last time was around Vatican II (I’m not aware of any apparitions, or prophets since then) and personally it happens all the time.[/quote]

Gtfo

I hope I’ll never meet you IRL.
[/quote]Apparently he missed the last presidential election

[Tiribulus]

[quote]ZEB wrote:
<<< man is a sinner PERIOD. Get it yet? >>>[/quote]Now just a “short of the glory of God” minute here Zeb. Please explain a bit further if you would so as to save me from jumping to conclusions about this “it doesn’t matter what religion what you are” and “man is a sinner… just because” thing it appears on the surface you seem to have going here.

[angry_chicken]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

As you probably know by now I am a Christian and I believe that Jesus Christ as the son of God Sacrificed his life on this earth so that through our belief we are saved of our sin.
[/quote]

But you can’t PROVE shit.

I can believe that the purple spaghetti god will bless the universe for all eternity when the conjoined twins get separated and rejoined.

I can write a book about it. I understand enough about psychology, marketing and sales that I could probably create a “flock” of followers. I could even kill people who challenged my assertion and call them “blasphemers” and excommunicate them and effectively ostracize them from the society I helped create (you know, because I converted a King or a Leader).

I could stifle science for years, and crucify people, burn people, torture people, wage wars on countries over my “holy land” (let’s call it Baltimore).

ALL of this is very similar to Christianity. Only a few minor details have been changed. But the MAIN similarity of the two is that it’s ALL BULLSHIT. None of it can be proven. None of it can be even reasonable argued! LOL

[TheBodyGuard]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

I see you’re still at the top of your game posting nothing of substance. You’re queens with me Zeb

[/quote]

Hey if I didn’t thank you it just wouldn’t be right. I also fully expect you to have the final word in this thread as well, OCD does that to a person. But no one will be foolish enough to bet me this time. So…I fear you’ve out posted your usefulness to me.

Oh and as to being substantive; the scary part is you THINK you’re writing with substance. You are actually trying But hey it’s about entertainment right? And you are entertaiing for sure.
[/quote]

Last word? Kinda like you’re doing? And I know, anything that doesn’t agree with you is not substantive. We know.

[TheBodyGuard]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Uh, the Lord still does communicate both “nationally” and “personally” the last time was around Vatican II (I’m not aware of any apparitions, or prophets since then) and personally it happens all the time.[/quote]

Gtfo

I hope I’ll never meet you IRL.
[/quote]

I’m curious, why are the hatred for that post?

Anyone who would threaten someone for their personal beliefs in no way affecting them has issues.[/quote]

Because the rabid far left has no patience for anything other than their politically correct agenda. Many of them, if they could get away with it, would in fact try to silence those of us who believe in God just about any way possible.

But none of this is a surprise to me as the Bible predicts that this will occur. In fact, they are acting this way right on cue.
[/quote]

Because the rabid far right has no patience for anything that does not comport lock-step with their religious agenda (you must be saved, you’re damned, etc.). Many of them, and they have gotten away with it, have silenced those that do not believe in their God in just about any way possible, including murder and the burning of books and records.

Does the above sound familiar?[/quote]

No offense but religious persecution goes both ways.

I’m more inclined to believe in the corruption and evil of human nature than the excuses people use for it.[/quote]

I don’t think I made any point that would imply that “corruption” does not go both ways. Man is corrupt. We know this. But throughout history, which have we seen? Have we seen atheists campaign against the rights of the religious, to the point of murder, war and censorship? Or have we seen those campaigns waged in the name of religion against another religion? In fact, we are now in the midst of that very dynamic with Islam. Does Christianity have clean hands? When collateral damage in the way of innocent lives occurred in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, do you think those innocents distinguished between America and Christianity in light of our then President’s references to “his God”?

I submit there is a Holy war occurring right now, and Christianity is very much a participant. [/quote]

Eh, atheists in large quantities have done bad stuff too. I think what we see is the simple matter of statistically, most people believe in god, so most crimes are committed by people who believe in god.

I fully believe that without religion people can and will find other excuses for war.

It’s really an excuse, not a reason. The reason is man himself.[/quote]

That is the inherent evil in man. It matters not what religion, or even if there is no religion. Man is stained by sin and there is only one way to wash that stain free for eternity and that is through the cleansing blood of Jesus Christ.
[/quote]

It matters not what religion when you are fighting in the name of religion? That’s a curious statement.[/quote]

Not at all curious. In fact, it’s a very open statement that anyone can fully understand. Shall I simplify it more for you? Okay, man is a sinner PERIOD. Get it yet?

We cannot wash our stains of sin thru Allah? Why?

As you probably know by now I am a Christian and I believe that Jesus Christ as the son of God Sacrificed his life on this earth so that through our belief we are saved of our sin.
[/quote]

Yeah, I get it. You don’t. Man is a sinner. We all get that by now. But what about when he uses something like religion to specifically sin? He’s just a simple “sinner” and not possibly misguided by his beliefs? Get it?

I know you’re a Christian. The problem in this world is that to have this discussion universally, we have to consider all alleged truths, whether they be lies, myths, superstitions, little green men, intuition, etc. The Muslim would tell me just as passionately that I need to heed the will of Allah and the prophet Mohammad.

[TheBodyGuard]

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
<<< man is a sinner PERIOD. Get it yet? >>>[/quote]Now just a “short of the glory of God” minute here Zeb. Please explain a bit further if you would so as to save me from jumping to conclusions about this “it doesn’t matter what religion what you are” and “man is a sinner… just because” thing it appears on the surface you seem to have going here.
[/quote]

If you can manage to get an answer to that, see if he’ll clarify his statement that forms the basis for my OP. Thanks. Apparently I did not quote and paste it to his peculiar needs and he has not responded or clarified his statement.

[TheBodyGuard]

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

As you probably know by now I am a Christian and I believe that Jesus Christ as the son of God Sacrificed his life on this earth so that through our belief we are saved of our sin.
[/quote]

But you can’t PROVE shit.

I can believe that the purple spaghetti god will bless the universe for all eternity when the conjoined twins get separated and rejoined.

I can write a book about it. I understand enough about psychology, marketing and sales that I could probably create a “flock” of followers. I could even kill people who challenged my assertion and call them “blasphemers” and excommunicate them and effectively ostracize them from the society I helped create (you know, because I converted a King or a Leader).

I could stifle science for years, and crucify people, burn people, torture people, wage wars on countries over my “holy land” (let’s call it Baltimore).

ALL of this is very similar to Christianity. Only a few minor details have been changed. But the MAIN similarity of the two is that it’s ALL BULLSHIT. None of it can be proven. None of it can be even reasonable argued! LOL[/quote]

YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT SINNER!!!

The spaghetti God is RED! Fucking asshole. That’s the problem with all you purple God believing heathens. You’re all going to hell. See if your “purple” God will save you! There is only one salvation for your pitiful soul AC and that is to accept the one and true Red Spaghetti God before it’s too late. Even though you’re going to burn in hell for an eternity, I still love you and I shall pray for you.

[drfitness]

[quote]akram.mohamed wrote:

[quote]drfitness wrote:

Simmer down…and what you’re describing is trust, not faith in the context of faith like a believer has faith, blindly accepting things that have no basis in reality. You trust those things won’t happen because your past experiences have given you a reason to.
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Here’s the thing. Current reality is simply a reflection of how the majority perceive the world. In the Dark Ages, the majority of the world honestly perceived that the earth was flat. That the earth was not flat had no basis in their reality.

Well the same can be applied to current times and even to individuals. Your reality is different from my reality which is different from my granddad’s reality.

[quote]drfitness wrote:
And you missed my point. Sure those books try and redeem themselves by saying things like love, peace, etc…but a book that also speaks of genocide, killing babies, etc. is in no way a ‘divine’ book inspired by a ‘loving god’…it’s also surprising that you sent me a link to a pedophile website you sick fuck!!

Just so everyone that reads this knows…akram.mohamed actually visits PEDOPHILE websites and then tries to get other people to go to them…you are one sick fucker!!!

Wait…it’s in those holy books you’re defending, so it just stands to figure that that’s what you’re into I guess…

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You don’t believe in the existence of a god. That’s fine. So how would you know how that god chooses to inspire a book?

I posted that link to point out the severe hyperbole of calling the Bible the “most immoral book” which you did in your first post.

Besides that’s not a pedophilia website; Buzzfeed is actually an RSS based site that gathers popular recently posted articles and blogs from around the web in one place…

Maybe you should actually read the article…?

The Pedophile's Guide To Love And Pleasure

[quote]drfitness wrote:
Just so everyone that reads this knows…akram.mohamed actually visits PEDOPHILE websites and then tries to get other people to go to them…you are one sick fucker!!!

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This actually kinda pisses me off. In writing, this is referred to as an ad-hominem attack, literally meaning “against man”. It’s a sign of desperation when the arguer attacks his opponent’s character rather than his opponent’s argument.

Knowing this, I’m thinking you’re a kid or troll. If you are a troll, congrats, you’ve managed to spike my blood pressure.

[quote]drfitness wrote:
And I don’t for a minute believe that you’re an athiest…
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I don’t believe that you hold a PhD in fitness, drfitness

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You are correct…I don’t hold a PhD (only a B.S. in Biology and Chemistry)…but my screen name isn’t Dr. Fitness now is it?..it’s drfitness, for Dreadlock Rasta Fitness…

Funny how you claim I used an ad hominem attack on you and there you doing the same thing to me…figures…

Sorry, but the fact that you wanted me to read about pedophilia was just bizarre to me…I guess I just inferred that you read that sort of shit…

And while I do agree that pedophilia is fucked up, compared to infanticide, genocide and all of the other ‘god commanded’ murders in the bible (and other ‘holy books’?) I’d say that that pedophilia isn’t as bad as killing someone.

I also find it weird that for an athiest, you seem to defend religion like it’s a good thing for the human race.

It’s not.

Science and logical thinking will save people.

I’m done with you.

“Good day, sir!!” - Willy Wonka

[angry_chicken]

Do you people believe that “God” destroyed Soddom and Gomorrah? With “Fire and Brimstone”? LOL

How about when Lot and his wife were fleeing, and when she looked back she turned into a pillar of salt?

How about Lot’s two daughters who fucked him in the cave to “preserve his seed”? That’s just AWESOME! That’s SOOOOO much better than the fags that “God” killed.

How about the burning bush? Do you believe the technology existed back then to burn something with out a fuel source? Were there “special effects?” How many people ACTUALLY SAW IT?

How about Aaron’s rod turning into a snake? And the “LORD of the Hebrews making the river run with blood”? WTF?

I mean there are a SHIT TON of impossible things that are in the bible. Armies struck with blindness, people struck with leprosy, people healed of blindness and leprosy… ALL KINDS OF IMPOSSIBLE SHIT WITH NO VERIFICATION. WRITTEN BY MEN I guess I should just have faith and blindly BELIEVE IT, right (and tithe 10% of my income while I’m at it, right?)

It’s a SCAM

[ZEB]

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

As you probably know by now I am a Christian and I believe that Jesus Christ as the son of God Sacrificed his life on this earth so that through our belief we are saved of our sin.
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But you can’t PROVE shit.[/quote]

Not trying to prove it especially to the likes of you. I’ve seen the profanity that you posted and that pretty much negates anything that you have to say.