Why Doesn't God Communicate With Us Anymore?

TheBodyGuard · March 10, 2011, 3:49am

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

Scripture doesn’t teach about the papacy (man made tradition does though). Anyways, I am not attacking Catholic beliefs and am not trying to start an argument (so forgive me please BC and Pat), but I do not believe in the Vicar of Christ, and therefore papal infallibility. Neither does ZEB.[/quote]

Yeah, that (among other things) separates Trib, you and I from the Catholics on the board. But with that said I have a great respect for Catholicism and the various stands that they’ve taken through the years to hold the line on traditional values.
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Traditional values? LMFAO. Did you utter anything about values in light of the way you conduct yourself around here and other threads?[/quote]

Being for traditional values does not mean that I cannot correct someone for their many logical fallacies. Look I know it hurt your wittle feelings but a big bad Internet tough guy like you should be able to take it.

Define “thumping the Bible”. Are you able to do that or will you get all upset and threaten to strike a woman?

LOL…In many years on this site I have never met such an idiot as you. Honestly, you must be playing a part you cannot be real. HA HA…WOW.
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An idiot?

When was the last time you made an intellectual point in this thread? Go ahead, I’ll wait. Oh, that’s right, you didn’t. You’re a heckler.

TheBodyGuard · March 10, 2011, 3:56am

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Man is inherently evil. Man is born into sin.

Who wrote scripture?

Who decided which scripture was included in the Bible?[/quote]

Man is inherently evil yes. But what that means is that we lean towards evil tendencies. not that we are born evil. But when we develop enough cognitive reasoning abilities (age of accountability), then we are judged. And man always leans towards evil.

Man, through the inspiration of God, wrote the scriptures. Over a period of 1600 years and roughly 40+ individuals chosen by God, God revealed to his prophets what he wanted written down. All the things that were written were validated by recorded miracles (events occurring outside natural laws) and fulfilled prophesies, things that could NOT have been done by human abilities alone.

After the scriptures were completed, they were circulated as individual books instead of a whole collection of books into one volume (the Bible). Though the scriptures were completed around 100 AD, it wasn’t formulated as a Bible until roughly 400 AD. During that time, there were many impostor “gospels” that were attempting to be recognized as scripture. That is when the early Church fathers, through inspiration by the Holy Spirit, were guided into all truth and knew which scriptures were of God, and which were not. We do not know exactly what their criteria was, or if they had any. My belief is that there was no criteria, just direct revelation from God. All the books in the Bible have some prophesy in them, and all these prophesies have been fulfilled, so that may have been something that they looked at, though again, I believe that God revealed which books were to be included directly.

If you need any more clarification just ask, and if I don’t have the answer I will find one for you from a reputable source :)[/quote]

Hmmm…

A few questions to start.

ZEB said man is born into sin. Which is it? We are born into sin and are naturally sinful or we lean toward evil tendencies?

Next question:

Who were the 40+ individuals you reference and what evidence do you have that each was “chosen by God”?

Next question:

List the miracles that allegedly “validated” the scriptures.

Next question:

How were said miracles themselves “validated”?

Next question:

Please provide evidence that the early church fathers were “inspired by the Holy Spirit”. What is the basis for such a claim and what is the evidence. And, were not the Popes I spoke of in earlier posts similarly “inspired” or was that different? If so, do the “early church fathers” have more of a claim to “divine inspiration” than some of the popes referenced?

Next question:

All the books have a prophecy and all have been fulfilled? Please list the prophecies and evidence of their fulfillment.

Next question:

If God indeed did reveal which books are to be included, then why are there different books included in the modern day bible depending on the denomination of christianity? Did God err when he made such a revelation? If not, then why is there disagreement even among christians as to which books should be included?

Thank you for your earnest reply.

TheBodyGuard · March 10, 2011, 3:59am

ZEB is this you?

Should I keep on digging?

ZEB · March 10, 2011, 4:01am

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

defending christianity while immersing himself deeper and deeper into the paradoxical hypocrisy so many of them suffer from.[/quote]

I challenge you to specifically point out what I’ve said that is “hypocrisy.” Will you take the challenge, or ignore it and continue on with your Internet tough guy act…oh yeah it’s not an act is it?

TheBodyGuard · March 10, 2011, 4:06am

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

defending christianity while immersing himself deeper and deeper into the paradoxical hypocrisy so many of them suffer from.[/quote]

I challenge you to specifically point out what I’ve said that is “hypocrisy.” Will you take the challenge, or ignore it and continue on with your Internet tough guy act…oh yeah it’s not an act is it?[/quote]

You behave rather curiously for a 56 year old man.

The way you conduct yourself on these boards is hypocritical to the faith you claim. When people are trying to have an earnest discussion about religion and God, you come here polluting the discussion with your personal attacks and nonsense. Other than your proclamation of faith, there is no evidence here for your Christianity. None.

Like I said, you will happily thump your bible with one hand, while giving the finger to anyone that disagrees with you with the other. This histrionic behavior is not just aimed at me, you’re doing it now in the Jihad thread.

TheBodyGuard · March 10, 2011, 4:16am

An oldie but goodie from ZEB. How poetic…it was just in another thread he was attacking me for speaking about “perception”. I’m going to start a ZEB thread.

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Mike, its great to talk to you, and all of the experienced and not so experienced.

In my 48 years on this earth I have learned that there is something to learn from everyone, regardless of their status or lack of it!

I probably spend more time than I should on the computer, according to my wife anyway. I have run hundreds of searches and have files full of information on exercise’s and nutrition.

But,its just hard to replace that one on one you get when you get to “speak” directly to a real guy who has tried something and is telling you that its great, or not so great. Maybe its the unique personality that he brings with his advice.

That, to me, is the single biggest advantage of a site like this one. If it was only about research then I suppose a library, or bookstore would be about as good.

With me, at least, its the people contact that I enjoy. I am going to be asking lots of questions in here over the next several months and I hope that you can put up with me. If some of them have already been gone over in here I apologize in advance.

Just because someone is asking a question about a topic, it does not necessarily mean he does not know the answer, or at least have an opinion on the subject. There are many reasons to ask a question. In my case I want to hear as many views as I can on the subject.

Experience tells me that my “reality” regarding the subject matter might just be a false “perception”. If I am out of step with my prior evaluation then it might be time to rethink my stance on the topic.

It’nice to talk to all of you!

CappedAndPlanIt · March 10, 2011, 4:16am

[quote]fcrenshaw wrote:
I’ll be back when this thread is 100 pages.[/quote]

I’ll be back when TBG and Zeb are friends.

angry_chicken · March 10, 2011, 4:18am

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Man is inherently evil. Man is born into sin.

Who wrote scripture?

Who decided which scripture was included in the Bible?[/quote]

Man is inherently evil yes. But what that means is that we lean towards evil tendencies. not that we are born evil. But when we develop enough cognitive reasoning abilities (age of accountability), then we are judged. And man always leans towards evil.

Man, through the inspiration of God, wrote the scriptures. Over a period of 1600 years and roughly 40+ individuals chosen by God, God revealed to his prophets what he wanted written down. All the things that were written were validated by recorded miracles (events occurring outside natural laws) and fulfilled prophesies, things that could NOT have been done by human abilities alone.

After the scriptures were completed, they were circulated as individual books instead of a whole collection of books into one volume (the Bible). Though the scriptures were completed around 100 AD, it wasn’t formulated as a Bible until roughly 400 AD. During that time, there were many impostor “gospels” that were attempting to be recognized as scripture. That is when the early Church fathers, through inspiration by the Holy Spirit, were guided into all truth and knew which scriptures were of God, and which were not. We do not know exactly what their criteria was, or if they had any. My belief is that there was no criteria, just direct revelation from God. All the books in the Bible have some prophesy in them, and all these prophesies have been fulfilled, so that may have been something that they looked at, though again, I believe that God revealed which books were to be included directly.

If you need any more clarification just ask, and if I don’t have the answer I will find one for you from a reputable source :)[/quote]

So there were ADMITTEDLY many “impostor gospels” along with what you allege to be “real” ones (ALL written by MEN). And a “counsel” of MEN (chosen by who?) sifted through them 400 years after the fact (using SOME SORT of criteria that no one knows) and chose the “real” ones.

Then translated it a bunch of times… Then King James got ahold of it for a more “accurate translation”… And THAT is what it is all based on… RIIIIIIIGHT…

And THAT is what justifies killing millions of people who disagree? That is just sad.

Do I have to even point out that the above “process” would not even pass muster by today’s standards to be published as anything other than FICTION? It MIGHT make it to a Tabloid paper found in the supermarket line right next to a picture of Angelina and Brad.

You people are fucking GULLIBLE! LMAO

ZEB · March 10, 2011, 4:51am

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

The way you conduct yourself on these boards is hypocritical to the faith you claim.[/quote]

And in essence what you are saying is “please let those of us who are not Christian attack you without defending yourself.” I get it, nope not playing.

First of all, you’ve done your share of attacks. Do those not count because you’re not a Christian? Is this the part where I’m supposed to take it? And how about the profane threads begun by your half-retarded brethren? Are those not offensive to those of us of faith? Or is that the part where we just take it and shut up? Let me know. Would anyone of good intentions allow such things in a “civil” discourse? You’re a fraud, as I’ve said, and you don’t like being exposed.

And that accusation comes from a person who has done nothing but belittle Christians for how many pages? And on how many threads? Your first comment to me in the other thread was “nothing you say matters because you are a Christian” or something to that effect. Is this the part where we lie back and allow fools like you to say such things without responding?

The next time you begin, or participate in a thread to basically mock Christianity you can expect more of the same thing. And your only recourse will be what you are doing right now. “Come on Zeb you’re supposed to take this from those of us who are not Christian. This is the part where we get to kick you guys around and you have to act all holy” Keep begging, the fact of the matter is I’ve had it with you and your kind. But especially YOU in particular. You epitomize the ignorance that comes with the territory which is mocking God. You are not questioning anything. Nor are you here to learn and discuss. You have one agenda and it is to attack Christianity. But it’s not as much fun this time around because I’m here. What a shame.

If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen because I have no intention of backing off and allowing the likes of YOU to attack Christianity without first forcing you to make sense. Which is all that I tried to do on our previous thread, and what set you off into your tirade of nonsense.

If you want to have civil discourse fine, I can do that. But as I said I’m not standing down when YOU start to become disrespectful to my beliefs. I think there’s been too much of that on the part of Christians in general which only encourages people like you (and others) to take it to the next level. It’s your choice I can will respond in kind every time.

ZEB · March 10, 2011, 5:11am

TheBodyGuard,

I must say I’ve never had anyone try to dig up a post from another completly unrelated thread. I wonder what purpose that served? I’m rather proud of that post. But as long as you’ve chosen the game it’s only fair that I take my turn right? This is only one of many posts where you show yourself to be the scum bag that you are:

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TheBodyGuard Wrote:
You took the words out of my mouth except I was going to say something like “you lying motherfuckers”.

I’ve cheated, numerous times. There is never a good reason or justification. Is it a terrible betrayal? Generally yes, but depending on the “relationship”, perhaps not so much. I’m human. I make mistakes. I think I have learned from most of them. So, my answer is yes, I have cheated.

The only answer that matters is will I cheat in the future? [/quote]

You “cheated numerous times” Will you cheat on your wife in the future? I guess the poor woman doesn’t know either. I bet she didn’t know what she was getting into when she hooked up with the likes of you.

Shall we see what your other posts reveal? I found this one pretty fast I bet there are some real winners out there and I think I know right where to look.

Let me know fraud!

As I said I will respond in kind

TheBodyGuard · March 10, 2011, 5:37am

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

The way you conduct yourself on these boards is hypocritical to the faith you claim.[/quote]

And in essence what you are saying is “please let those of us who are not Christian attack you without defending yourself.” I get it, nope not playing.

First of all, you’ve done your share of attacks. Do those not count because you’re not a Christian? Is this the part where I’m supposed to take it? And how about the profane threads begun by your half-retarded brethren? Are those not offensive to those of us of faith? Or is that the part where we just take it and shut up? Let me know. Would anyone of good intentions allow such things in a “civil” discourse? You’re a fraud, as I’ve said, and you don’t like being exposed.

And that accusation comes from a person who has done nothing but belittle Christians for how many pages? And on how many threads? Your first comment to me in the other thread was “nothing you say matters because you are a Christian” or something to that effect. Is this the part where we lie back and allow fools like you to say such things without responding?

The next time you begin, or participate in a thread to basically mock Christianity you can expect more of the same thing. And your only recourse will be what you are doing right now. “Come on Zeb you’re supposed to take this from those of us who are not Christian. This is the part where we get to kick you guys around and you have to act all holy” Keep begging, the fact of the matter is I’ve had it with you and your kind. But especially YOU in particular. You epitomize the ignorance that comes with the territory which is mocking God. You are not questioning anything. Nor are you here to learn and discuss. You have one agenda and it is to attack Christianity. But it’s not as much fun this time around because I’m here. What a shame.

If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen because I have no intention of backing off and allowing the likes of YOU to attack Christianity without first forcing you to make sense. Which is all that I tried to do on our previous thread, and what set you off into your tirade of nonsense.

If you want to have civil discourse fine, I can do that. But as I said I’m not standing down when YOU start to become disrespectful to my beliefs. I think there’s been too much of that on the part of Christians in general which only encourages people like you (and others) to take it to the next level. It’s your choice I can will respond in kind every time.
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I’m not even reading your drivel. Cut and paste the attacks and demeaning. I have questions. Other Christians here and elsewhere thought enough to respond in earnest. You’re a clown. And now you’re an equivocating hypocrite.

Walk the walk, talk the talk. Reply in earnest or STFU clown.

TheBodyGuard · March 10, 2011, 5:39am

[quote]ZEB wrote:
TheBodyGuard,

I must say I’ve never had anyone try to dig up a post from another completly unrelated thread. I wonder what purpose that served? I’m rather proud of that post. But as long as you’ve chosen the game it’s only fair that I take my turn right? This is only one of many posts where you show yourself to be the scum bag that you are:

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TheBodyGuard Wrote:
You took the words out of my mouth except I was going to say something like “you lying motherfuckers”.

I’ve cheated, numerous times. There is never a good reason or justification. Is it a terrible betrayal? Generally yes, but depending on the “relationship”, perhaps not so much. I’m human. I make mistakes. I think I have learned from most of them. So, my answer is yes, I have cheated.

The only answer that matters is will I cheat in the future? [/quote]

You “cheated numerous times” Will you cheat on your wife in the future? I guess the poor woman doesn’t know either. I bet she didn’t know what she was getting into when she hooked up with the likes of you.

Shall we see what your other posts reveal? I found this one pretty fast I bet there are some real winners out there and I think I know right where to look.

Let me know fraud!

As I said I will respond in kind

[/quote]

I’m as transparent as they come. Let’s dance amigo.

You claimed your wife said you spent too much time on the internet in 2003. How is that working out for you?

Oh ye of great faith and little substance. LOL.

Clown.

TheBodyGuard · March 10, 2011, 5:42am

As for infidelity, one must wonder, how faithful you are to your faith when instead of replying in earnest like Forbes, DD and others, you come here to pollute and obfuscate the truth. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence, a shred of integrity, can page back on this thread and see your nonsense bloom like the poisonous flower that it is. It speaks for itself. You’re a hack and a hypocrite. And you’re so sensitive, that you think being a skeptic rises to the level of “demeaning” and “attacking”. For someone so sure in his faith, your constitution appears very weak, like your character.

Go spend some time with your wife.

TheBodyGuard · March 10, 2011, 5:49am

And wake me up when you actually have a point in support of your faith. You can start with explaining your curious statement, quoted verbatim for you, that is the basis for the OP. When you get your foot out of that mouth, you can hold your other foot while you explain your curious time keeping skills.

And maybe then, you can join Forbes in his earnest defense of Christianity. And trust me, had there been a Muslim here, I’d have questions for him too.

If the claims of Christianity are indeed so strong, stop acting so damn weak.

What’s next? More mocking word play? More sentence by sentence replies in an attempt to confuse a thread and make it impossible to offer a rebuttal? You’re a career message board obsessive, well versed in the ways of internet dirty tactics, blowing mighty loud with your keyboard, promising a tidal wave of superior intellect but delivering a harmless trickle of water from your empty squirt gun.

I pity you. You cannot engage in earnest here, and you certainly cannot engage me in person. I’d hate to be you.

TheBodyGuard · March 10, 2011, 6:02am

This is our hero ZEB, the Good Christian, engaging in the exact same behavior with a young poster that has a different opinion than he. Notice the line by line berating and personal attacks. He even speaks of a “pissing contest”. He’s the King of the pissing contest, regularly pissing down his own leg.

Everyone here knows I tell it like it is, like it or not. I’m sure ZEB will reach back and trot out some epic and provocative posts by me. It will be irrelevant to this thread, but hey, it will be a good show and it will detract from the discussion, and that’s exactly what he wants.

Does anyone recognize these tactics?

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Bambi wrote:

Wait so previously I was being indoctrinated by my pol sci teacher, now I need to go learn from one?

Yes, you need to change whatever you were doing to something that actually works. So, yes by all means take a good political science course and also read some books. Take the time that you have and instead of posting on an American message board read some books and expand your knowledge.

Tell you what, I’ll go do a politics course if you go do one on basic logic.

Stop acting like an impudent little fuck. You’re not smart kid go play pretend with your little teen buddy’s. I will cut you no slack here whatsoever.

And if we’re doing a dick-measuring/pissing contest,

Pissing contest? What is wrong with you kid? You questioned my sources of information so I listed them and some of my experience. There is no contest here? You’re 19 years old. There is no more a contest between you and I than there is between myself and MMA champ GSP in a mixed martial arts fight. Get your arms around reality kid. Are you that naive?

I’ve been involved in the grassroots of a party here in the UK. I’ve attended party conferences (for a party I am no longer a member of), helped organise that party’s political events and drives,

For…6 months? Turn on the applause machine.

I used to run a politics section in my school

LOL, you should have left that out. BIG DEAL. I used to run my entire high school newspaper and write most of the articles. I don’t even think about that stuff now as it was insignificant.

worked as an intern for my local MP

I get free interns from my local college all the time. They get coffee, bring me a newspaper and generally ask how high when I tell them to jump.

I read the UK broadsheets (Times telegraph guardian independent, ft) online daily and also CNN, The New York Times, and - gasp - Fox.

Good boy keep reading and learning and living, in 5-10 years you may know what the hell you’re talking about.

So i’ve done everything it is pretty much possible to do at my age to be involved with politics.

BINGO! You just said it, and I thank you. You’ve just admitted everything that I’ve been saying. I agree you have done everything that you can FOR YOUR AGE and good for you. But therein lies the problem as I have been saying – your age. You have not lived long enough to have done anything of significance, or learned all ends of the game. You can’t help that. But what you can help is trying to play big shot and acting like you know everything at the age of 19.

And if you honestly think that the USA is merely a ‘republic’, or at least has no imperial overtones, than that is so laughable I honestly can’t be bothered to converse with you.

I’ve read and understand our constitution and we are indeed a republic, that is a fact. However YOU said we were an empire and that is factually incorrect. Now you’re trying to hedge that by saying we have “Imperial overtones” which is equally wrong. But then again I wouldn’t expect a 19 year old foreigner to understand the USA, or much else at this level.

Anyway I’m not arguing or replying any more. Always a pleasure.

This is what you should have said instead of trying to defend your lack of experience by telling us all that you were an intern (eye roll).

There’s nothing wrong with being 19. Just like there’s nothing wrong with learning to play baseball. Just stop trying to play in the majors when you barely understand the game.
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forbes · March 10, 2011, 1:21pm

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Man is inherently evil. Man is born into sin.

Who wrote scripture?

Who decided which scripture was included in the Bible?[/quote]

Man is inherently evil yes. But what that means is that we lean towards evil tendencies. not that we are born evil. But when we develop enough cognitive reasoning abilities (age of accountability), then we are judged. And man always leans towards evil.

Man, through the inspiration of God, wrote the scriptures. Over a period of 1600 years and roughly 40+ individuals chosen by God, God revealed to his prophets what he wanted written down. All the things that were written were validated by recorded miracles (events occurring outside natural laws) and fulfilled prophesies, things that could NOT have been done by human abilities alone.

After the scriptures were completed, they were circulated as individual books instead of a whole collection of books into one volume (the Bible). Though the scriptures were completed around 100 AD, it wasn’t formulated as a Bible until roughly 400 AD. During that time, there were many impostor “gospels” that were attempting to be recognized as scripture. That is when the early Church fathers, through inspiration by the Holy Spirit, were guided into all truth and knew which scriptures were of God, and which were not. We do not know exactly what their criteria was, or if they had any. My belief is that there was no criteria, just direct revelation from God. All the books in the Bible have some prophesy in them, and all these prophesies have been fulfilled, so that may have been something that they looked at, though again, I believe that God revealed which books were to be included directly.

If you need any more clarification just ask, and if I don’t have the answer I will find one for you from a reputable source :)[/quote]

Hmmm…

A few questions to start.

ZEB said man is born into sin. Which is it? We are born into sin and are naturally sinful or we lean toward evil tendencies?

Next question:

Who were the 40+ individuals you reference and what evidence do you have that each was “chosen by God”?

Next question:

List the miracles that allegedly “validated” the scriptures.

Next question:

How were said miracles themselves “validated”?

Next question:

Please provide evidence that the early church fathers were “inspired by the Holy Spirit”. What is the basis for such a claim and what is the evidence. And, were not the Popes I spoke of in earlier posts similarly “inspired” or was that different? If so, do the “early church fathers” have more of a claim to “divine inspiration” than some of the popes referenced?

Next question:

All the books have a prophecy and all have been fulfilled? Please list the prophecies and evidence of their fulfillment.

Next question:

If God indeed did reveal which books are to be included, then why are there different books included in the modern day bible depending on the denomination of christianity? Did God err when he made such a revelation? If not, then why is there disagreement even among christians as to which books should be included?

Thank you for your earnest reply. [/quote]

Hmmm, a LOT of questions there. But thats good. Looks like I have to get my books out

Other than that I will have to reply after if I am going to do any justice with these questions, so probably later tonight I will.

forbes · March 10, 2011, 1:50pm

[quote]angry chicken wrote: