Why Do You Squat?

[quote]-LL- wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
LL not to be a dick but your argument is for us to verify with another power lifter that is not at the level of reputation of the two you have a problem with? How does that win this discussion? [/quote]

That was for Tom. He was using a seminar he saw at Steve’s gym to support Rippetoe, and Steve is not a fan of Rip’s squat form.

I didn’t mean to hijack the thread…

From a recent conversation - Steve has a lot of respect for gym, but does not agree with his recent shift in mentality. He has recently started preaching more about cardio, and called some of the PLers fat. Plers make up the majority of Iron Sports clientele, and they weren’t excited about Jim’s presentation. [/quote]

Don’t get me started on that topic haha…

But seriously Rip’s technique sucks, when you are in that body position your hips and knees take a beating.

I mean shit, I rather see this


One of many…

wheres stallion?

[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]-LL- wrote:

[quote]koleah wrote:

[quote]-LL- wrote:

[quote]koleah wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Why Do You Squat?[/quote]
Because Rippetoe says to.[/quote]

I wouldn’t call what Rippetoe does squatting…
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Um… (was that a joke that I missed?)

What would you call it?[/quote]

His “squatting technique” is idiotic and he’s a moron. [/quote]

Have you ever considered the fact that that’s a natural movement for him? I DON’T squat because I have a weird movement like this guy.

For the record - Can you squat 315 x 15?
Or 225 x 15, for that matter?[/quote]

385x20 for me :wink:

Rippetoe has terrible squatting form. Talk about shifting the weight easily onto your toes like that at the bottom, among many other things…[/quote]

My 2 cents:

His form sucks for a coach…someone who is seen as an AUTHORITY on the subject of weightlifting.

BUT I have seen far, far, FAR worse form! At least he actually squats, unlike many “armchair” coaches and trainers.

He still needs to get his shit together though…there is no excuse.

I squat because once I hit 400 lbs., I vowed to stop doing marathons.

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Why Do You Squat?[/quote]
Because Rippetoe says to.

Even if T NATION doesn’t like his form.

:slight_smile:

Squat is a great exercise but Deadlift is the king of lifts.

^^^^ THIS

squatting is hard as hell, and makes a man out of you for sure.

but I still contend the best overall exercise that makes you a beast is conventional deadlifts.

blegh!

[quote]Dre the Hatchet wrote:

[quote]koleah wrote:

[quote]-LL- wrote:

[quote]koleah wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Why Do You Squat?[/quote]
Because Rippetoe says to.[/quote]

I wouldn’t call what Rippetoe does squatting…
[/quote]

Um… (was that a joke that I missed?)

What would you call it?[/quote]

What he was hinting at was the fact that Rippetoe goes ass first and puts a shit ton of strain on the hip. That’s something I don’t like either (for instance, emulating Dave Tate’s death squat feat, at rep 21 or 22 I would definitely start feeling some strain in my lower back from using too much hip).

That’s one of the reasons why I prefer to front squat because that way I can ensure a flat back and prevent excessive forward tilt.[/quote]

I agree.

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
^^^^ THIS

squatting is hard as hell, and makes a man out of you for sure.

but I still contend the best overall exercise that makes you a beast is conventional deadlifts.

blegh![/quote]

I’d say so heavy .

I see the points of you fellows here . I’m going to add a little more to the mix .

I know very people who have trained themselves eay on flexibility wise and movement prep wise . For example , I stretched daily from ages 15-25, this us when I started lifting and did my last three lift meet. Now I use the ssb and cambered bar due to an accident damaging a shoulder .

I probably lifted more like rippetoe 's technique than say Louie’s back in the day and had no issues . But there was a lot of prehab/rehab stuff done 15 years before people were talking about it.

Read Dave Tate’s e book on his injuries and coming back from them .

My point, if you lift you are going to need to take care of yourself to keep doing this stuff. Front squats , deads, cleans , box squats etc will all eventually hurt you. Taking good care of yourself will go a long way to staying healthy in the game .

Getting ART like LL is doing is excellent . Doing what you can safely do is excellent .

And stretch daily, it’s a necessity , not an option. I started doing it again after contracting with Josh Bryant . Funny thing is how easy steps and other stuff is easier now in the mornings . With twice the volume than I was doing before .

My coach tells me to.

he also tells me how to do it.

And if he tells me to leg press, deadlift, rack pull, hack squat… well whatever he says I do.

Don’t look straight down when you squat and avoid tucking your ass at the bottom. And a guy who’s squatted 600 should be able to do 315 for ten reps without form breaking down.

I respect what he’s doing though. Starting strength, while not perfect, is A LOT better than the shit I see most newbs - hell, most gym members - do.

[quote]-LL- wrote:

[quote]ladieslove wrote:
what the heck is this

-LL- blowin up my spot [/quote]

You not a Rip fan either?

When Wendler squatted heavy, his technique was completely different than what Rip preaches. I’ve never seen anyone that squats like Rip move any significant weight without later suffering some kind of back injury.

Rip is a moron. He’ll talk about how SS bars and trap bars aren’t effective, and then teach beginners ridiculous squat form.

For someone who has 30 years of “experience”, his most significant contribution is a bare bones basic program for beginners that any regular poster on this site could come up with in their sleep.

If you don’t agree with me, call Iron Sport Gym in Glenolden, PA and ask Steve if he will teach you how to squat like Rip. Haha.

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Uh, some of the big fat raw squatters squat that way and a few others.

http://www.lift-run-bang.com/search?updated-max=2011-03-10T10%3A52%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=7

I moved to Portland, OR about a month and 1/2 ago and am going to a 24hr fitness. They have a dry erase board with male and female weight class records in the squat,bench,dead,chin and military and everyone I’ve seen there squat does so to at least parrallel and most go atg. I haven’t seen anyone handle any big weights, but it’s still refreshing and completely unique to see an entire commercial gym going populace squat right. Oh, and I can’t raditional squat due to knee surgeries but I box squat 'cause it’s fucking awesome.

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Physically, the squat is unparalleled for leg development, and is universally regarded as one of the three best compound lifts devised for the human body. I cannot understate these benefits; if the squat were not as powerful a device for muscular development, it would not be the basis of virtually every strength program worth its weight in piss.

But that is not why I squat.

I do not squat for physical gain.

Rather, I squat for mental, and dare I say it, spiritual growth.

You see, there is no exercise quite like the squat. No other exercise (barring the Good Morning, but not to as great an extent) involves taking the weight of the world on your shoulders, allowing it to overcome you and press down upon you, then summoning the sheer will to lift it back up. No other exercise presents you with quite the same incentive to raise that motherfucking bar one last time. The bench press comes closest, but uses less of the body and less weight. You may deadlift heavier weight, but if you don’t muster that courage and brute force, that bar just stays there, you let go, and you walk away.

Not so with the squat.

It is in that moment that you squat down for one last rep, that one that both your body and mind told you would just get you hurt, and you reach parallel or below, that you find yourself. Everything goes quiet. Any music you were listening to fades. There is nobody else in the gym. There is only yo, squatted down on your haunches with four hundred pounds across your shoulder blades and a meter of air between you and victory. There is a certain serenity that comes to you now, a sense of your own existence. In that moment, you know - not think, KNOW - that this is how it should be, that pitting yourself, your mind and your body against this weight is the road to glory and fulfillment.

And then your mind restarts and scrambles, pulling motivation from anywhere it can. Pictures, sounds, words, memories flash through your mind in a white heat, and your inner self turns from doubt to conviction. Every single fibre of your being is screaming at that bar to RISE, MOTHERFUCKER, RISE, and as you begin to rise once more you can feel that power surging through your entirety. You are acutely aware of every sensation in your body - the hatching on the barbell pressing against you, the blood being pumped from your heart to your face turning your complexion beetroot, the tensing of your abdominals as your mind ascends and drags the rest of you with it.

You reach forty-five degrees. You are only halfway, but you have completed the lift already. The initial shock of raising yourself one more time has worn off, the internal question of whether or not you can lift this weight has evaporated. Momentum is on your side and you have proven yourself capable, just do not stop, for the love of God, DO NOT STOP. Feel that goddamn burn one last time and scream with AGONY and JOY as you carry the weight of the entire world upwards once more and rerack that weight in a symbolic and somewhat visceral ‘fuck you’, delivered to the entire world.

Your mind blanks again. Pure satisfaction courses through your veins, and you do not feel you EMBODY triumph. You are king, you are warrior, you are LEGENDARY. Nobody can ever take this away from you - no matter how many people hate you, no matter how little you may earn, no matter what troubles you encounter in day to day life, nobody can ever take that squat away from you, and that pride will carry you throughout your life with dignity, honor, and a quiet peace that only your fellow squatters will understand and appreciate.

Congratulations.

You have just found enlightenment.

And that is why I squat.[/quote]

I squat because its the only leg exercise that make my quads tingle! WE have a love hate relationship. I don’t squat much at all as I’m not a bodybuilder but just like lifting but I don’t see too many females squating. I think its harder to squat using squat racks then doing
it by yourself.

'Cos I want a big, nice, round and firm ass and masssssssive legs…

'Cos I love the feeling of fear that gets over me whenever I go all the way down with a heavy bar on my shoulders, and pray that my legs and hips are strong enough to help me get back up…

cos its the first lift in the meet.

and squatting=WINNING

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
I squat because bar toilets are nasty.

No seriously, being able to pee without having to touch anything is a valuable attribute to possess.[/quote]

spend less time in bars[/quote]

Why do you have to start shit with me on a Monday morning?[/quote]

TBG drew that straw.

I’m alternating Sundays.

Someone told me it’d make me more awesome.