Anyone can have everything marriage offers without actually getting married.
You never know, maybe someone here arguing against walkway just might be handed divorce papers one day, all while they’re thinking everything is fine with their “right one”
[quote]BUDs wrote:
Anyone can have everything marriage offers without actually getting married.
You never know, maybe someone here arguing against walkway just might be handed divorce papers one day, all while they’re thinking everything is fine with their “right one”[/quote]
Exactly!
[quote]BUDs wrote:
Anyone can have everything marriage offers without actually getting married.
You never know, maybe someone here arguing against walkway just might be handed divorce papers one day, all while they’re thinking everything is fine with their “right one”[/quote]
I also think what is missing in such discussions is the weighing of risks.
If you marry, at least under some jurisdictions, she can wipe you out.
I dont care how large that risk is, but if you take a risk that amounts to Russian roulette, the potential upsides better be very, very good.
It probability times nastyness, not just probability alone and you have no way to spread your risks when it comes to marriage.
I also ask myself, if women were offered the rotten, rotten deal that is offered to men, would they take it?
No, they would not and yet they would like to get that comittment from you and prenups are oh so very unromantic.
[quote]orion wrote:
I also ask myself, if women were offered the rotten, rotten deal that is offered to men, would they take it?
No, they would not and yet they would like to get that comittment from you and prenups are oh so very unromantic.[/quote]
reminds me of a short documentary I saw about women being on the hook for alimony since they were the breadwinners of the family… they flipped their shit SO hard lol… it was hilarious. turns out the whole ‘equal responsibility’ part of gender equality sucks more than they thought it would
also, prenups don’t work anymore
[quote]orion wrote:
No, they would not and yet they would like to get that comittment from you and prenups are oh so very unromantic.[/quote]
Having protected sex after a first date is oh so very unromantic yet you’d be stupid not to.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
this is a pure assumption that is unquantifiable. ill tell you what though, want to guess how many females I met in university who were majoring in psychology/sociology/communications (read ‘bullshit’)? [/quote]
There are sociologist and psychologists who earn six figures and the field of psychology is very important for the well being of people and understanding our world.
Some PR and marketing execs and news reporters who majored in communications earn six to seven figures. My cousin majored in PR and communications and now works at one of the biggest media giants in the world, pretty much one that dictates ALL fashion and music trends for decades.
It’s pretty funny you consider those three majors as bullshit.
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All the more so when it comes in a post responding to Ms. Q, who unless I’m mistaken is gainfully employed in one of those “bullshit” fields.
Edited to add: A good friend of mine who is a clinical counsellor bills out for $150/hr in his private practice. Yep, total BS.[/quote]
Yes, and I just checked and found that I earn approximately double the median income for white males in America - which is not a princely sum by any means, but it’s certainly not to be discounted as nothing.
(My hourly billing is around that, but it’s my organization that makes that amount of money, not me. Which is fine. Insurance, 401K contributions, etc.)
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you earn $94k/yr ?? How old are you, whats you degree and occupation? I am curious.[/quote]
I just looked again and I accidentally pulled median income for all men (15 and up). So my bad and no, I don’t make $94k. I do make more than the median for male FTYR workers, however, and I also exceed the median household income in America. I’m one of two clinical social workers on staff at a large community medical practice.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
this is a pure assumption that is unquantifiable. ill tell you what though, want to guess how many females I met in university who were majoring in psychology/sociology/communications (read ‘bullshit’)? [/quote]
There are sociologist and psychologists who earn six figures and the field of psychology is very important for the well being of people and understanding our world.
Some PR and marketing execs and news reporters who majored in communications earn six to seven figures. My cousin majored in PR and communications and now works at one of the biggest media giants in the world, pretty much one that dictates ALL fashion and music trends for decades.
It’s pretty funny you consider those three majors as bullshit.
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All the more so when it comes in a post responding to Ms. Q, who unless I’m mistaken is gainfully employed in one of those “bullshit” fields.
Edited to add: A good friend of mine who is a clinical counsellor bills out for $150/hr in his private practice. Yep, total BS.[/quote]
Yes, and I just checked and found that I earn approximately double the median income for white males in America - which is not a princely sum by any means, but it’s certainly not to be discounted as nothing.
(My hourly billing is around that, but it’s my organization that makes that amount of money, not me. Which is fine. Insurance, 401K contributions, etc.)
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again, thank you for your anecdote… lol[/quote]
Hey, no problemo. 
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
this is a pure assumption that is unquantifiable. ill tell you what though, want to guess how many females I met in university who were majoring in psychology/sociology/communications (read ‘bullshit’)? [/quote]
There are sociologist and psychologists who earn six figures and the field of psychology is very important for the well being of people and understanding our world.
Some PR and marketing execs and news reporters who majored in communications earn six to seven figures. My cousin majored in PR and communications and now works at one of the biggest media giants in the world, pretty much one that dictates ALL fashion and music trends for decades.
It’s pretty funny you consider those three majors as bullshit.
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All the more so when it comes in a post responding to Ms. Q, who unless I’m mistaken is gainfully employed in one of those “bullshit” fields.
Edited to add: A good friend of mine who is a clinical counsellor bills out for $150/hr in his private practice. Yep, total BS.[/quote]
Sure you can find people making good money in the more competitive, “bullshit” fields…and they are competitive because so many people went for the B(ull)S(hit) degree, because, well it’s an easy 4-yr degree to acquire. Just like how there are thousands of kids going for a Music recording “engineer” degree but they’d be lucky if 1/20 of them can make a living off of it and take there career anywhere beyond delivering pizzas as their full-time gig. I’m sure you could find a Music recording “Engineer” making a living recording music…somewhere.
I know it’s risky to say that I agree with Mr.W on some of his points…OF COURSE there are gold-digging Skunks going to college for a Bullshit degree (Mass Comm, Art History, Marketing, Advertising etc) so that they can at the least party and still stumble their way through their degree. And probably some of those have it in the back of their heads to find a guy who will be able to support them.
For every clinical counselor who has a psych degree (and I ask if this person you know has a bachelor, masters or PhD?) making good money there are 20 people that hold the same degree who are high school counselors making a burger-flipping salary.[/quote]
High school counselors (guidance counselors) probably start at around $55-65K, working a ten month year. In order to be a clinical counselor you have to have at least a masters degree.
In most fields I would imagine that there are more and less desirable job candidates, just as there are more and less desirable schools. If you go to school to party, regardless of major, then you probably are not going to be the top choice for choice positions.
I’m not trying to convince anyone that marriage is the key to happiness. It either works or it doesn’t. That’s the risk.
In argument for - if you find someone sane, compatible and who you are attracted to it works. You can raise kids with some stability if that is what you want and generally with two people you will be better off financially.
Against - you could find that sane, compatible, sexy person and they could leave you because you drink too much and are a general asshole or after that you could find another person and think they are sane, sexy, compatible and they turn out to be just a really great set of tits attached to a level of drama, dysfunction and insanity that you weren’t smart enough to recognize. The outcome here could be really bad financially either way.
However, the emphasis on losing everything misses the point, for me at least. You have one life to live experiences and acquire things. You can’t take them with you unless you are king tut. I look at it as you take your chances and if you lose it all you pick up and start again. That’s how life is. You open a business, it doesn’t work, go bankrupt, start again. Get a job, lose it, get another one. Marriage fails, lose some stuff, get some more stuff.
On an end note. If you are afraid of trying an institutional relationship with a woman because you fear losing your things or are worried about her potential for sanity, loyalty, friendship or propensity to gain 110 pounds, (I won’t even mention coming to the relationship as a 30 year old virgin) then women, who are in general not stupid and can read people emotionally, will pick up on your fears and world view and will stay away from you. Not necessarily because they wanted your things but because it implies to them that you, at least by current society standards, are dysfunctional and a risky bet. For them your $114,000 a year or medical degree or STEM blah blah just isn’t worth it, marriage or non marriage. (And God help you the woman who is impressed by $114,000 a year)
Then your choice is insane, dysfunctional and duplicitous partner in relationship, marriage or non-marriage, or whacking it to Internet porn.
Hookers are also a choice I suppose but I don’t have time to go into that.
Of course not every sociologist, psychologist, or communications professional does not earn high income. Yes, for every one that earns high income, there are many with modest earnings. That doesn’t make these fields “BS” considering they are important in our society. If not for communications and psychology, Western Civilization wouldn’t be where it is today.
Opie, Usually men who get blindsided by problems in relationships are the ones who have not dated a lot prior to settling down and not learned the warning signs and symptoms because they have not experienced them before. Reconsider your life philosophy. Even if you aren’t sexually active, dating while you are young isn’t just about finding a potential wife, or getting laid. It’s about developing yourself as a future partner and learning how to grow a healthy relationship.
[quote]BUDs wrote:
You never know, maybe someone here arguing against walkway just might be handed divorce papers one day, all while they’re thinking everything is fine with their “right one”[/quote]
Of course anyone’s marriage can go wrong, but I don’t see why that would change their view on marriage generally if they think it’s an important institution. One can be injured lifting weights, and there has been a T-Nation writer who is a near cripple because of it. But it would be incorrect to assume all people lifting weights will severely injure themselves or that it’s not worth doing.
[quote]comus3 wrote:
In argument for - if you find someone sane, compatible and who you are attracted to it works. You can raise kids with some stability if that is what you want and generally with two people you will be better off financially.
Against - you could find that sane, compatible, sexy person and they could leave you because you drink too much and are a general asshole or after that you could find another person and think they are sane, sexy, compatible and they turn out to be just a really great set of tits attached to a level of drama, dysfunction and insanity that you weren’t smart enough to recognize. The outcome here could be really bad financially either way.
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lol… so if it goes wrong, it’s because of the man’s choices huh?
are you implying that women aren’t selfish and deceitful?
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
If not for communications and psychology, Western Civilization wouldn’t be where it is today. [/quote]
will you please quit talking out of your ass?
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]BUDs wrote:
You never know, maybe someone here arguing against walkway just might be handed divorce papers one day, all while they’re thinking everything is fine with their “right one”[/quote]
Of course anyone’s marriage can go wrong, but I don’t see why that would change their view on marriage generally if they think it’s an important institution. One can be injured lifting weights, and there has been a T-Nation writer who is a near cripple because of it. But it would be incorrect to assume all people lifting weights will severely injure themselves or that it’s not worth doing. [/quote]
nice false equivalence…
yet another fallacy from the vapid sophist
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
If not for communications and psychology, Western Civilization wouldn’t be where it is today. [/quote]
will you please quit talking out of your ass?[/quote]
Yeah, I sure am talking out of my ass. Maybe we can go back in time to the caveman days, without communication. I’m sure it would be great with no television, radio, and film production; no journalism; no sophisticated oration or writing; no advertising; and so on.
It would sure be great without qualified mental health professionals to deal with the various mental and emotional sicknesses we see today and give us an understanding of how our mind works.
Again, I ask you for all the right moves. Enlighten all the young’uns on here. What major and profession? Who should get married? Who qualifies to have kids? Where should one live? What should one eat? What should one look like? How should one act? Let us know so they can be perfect like you.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]BUDs wrote:
You never know, maybe someone here arguing against walkway just might be handed divorce papers one day, all while they’re thinking everything is fine with their “right one”[/quote]
Of course anyone’s marriage can go wrong, but I don’t see why that would change their view on marriage generally if they think it’s an important institution. One can be injured lifting weights, and there has been a T-Nation writer who is a near cripple because of it. But it would be incorrect to assume all people lifting weights will severely injure themselves or that it’s not worth doing. [/quote]
nice false equivalence…
yet another fallacy from the vapid sophist [/quote]
Not false at all.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
If not for communications and psychology, Western Civilization wouldn’t be where it is today. [/quote]
will you please quit talking out of your ass?[/quote]
lol the irony.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I once read, as an argument against pre nuptial agreements, that the woman you’re marrying should be worth more than any future wealth you may have. I agree with that statement, and I think it’s a good question any man should ask himself before popping the question, regardless of one’s feelings about prenuptial agreements.
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I don’t understand this argument. Most people don’t go into marriages thinking he/she is going to cheat on me, or assault me, or develop a drug habit. But in most cases you can’t really know what your future spouse is “worth” until tested by years of marriage. If you are correct that she is “worth more than any future wealth you may have,” then you don’t need a prenup. But if you erred in your assessment, that is exactly when you need one.