I’m wondering where Orion is. Isn’t this a discussion he would want to be a part of?
I’m also curious about what the poster Walkaway referenced above thinks of all this. If I’m not mistaken, that poster is in another long term, committed relationship.
[quote]comus3 wrote:
Give us some background as to why you really have embarked on the virgin until financial success and iron clad guaranteed that the women can’t betray you either financially or through false rape accusations etc? At your age I’m not sure how you would accumulate the negative experiences to make this your world view.
Again I’m curious as to how you got to this conclusion. Are your parents divorced? Still together? Happy? Did they take an interest in your life? Too much? Were you raised in an orphanage? Do you believe that women are a completely different species from men? Is the male/female relationship entirely adversarial? Based on mutual exploitation?
I’m serious when I thank you for your responses. [/quote]
parents are still together and happy. I do believe that females are an entirely different species from men yes.
I believe that most women are far more cunning, malevolent, and deceitful than they are given credit for.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
this is a pure assumption that is unquantifiable. ill tell you what though, want to guess how many females I met in university who were majoring in psychology/sociology/communications (read ‘bullshit’)? [/quote]
There are sociologist and psychologists who earn six figures and the field of psychology is very important for the well being of people and understanding our world.
Some PR and marketing execs and news reporters who majored in communications earn six to seven figures. My cousin majored in PR and communications and now works at one of the biggest media giants in the world, pretty much one that dictates ALL fashion and music trends for decades.
It’s pretty funny you consider those three majors as bullshit.
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All the more so when it comes in a post responding to Ms. Q, who unless I’m mistaken is gainfully employed in one of those “bullshit” fields.
Edited to add: A good friend of mine who is a clinical counsellor bills out for $150/hr in his private practice. Yep, total BS.[/quote]
Yes, and I just checked and found that I earn approximately double the median income for white males in America - which is not a princely sum by any means, but it’s certainly not to be discounted as nothing.
(My hourly billing is around that, but it’s my organization that makes that amount of money, not me. Which is fine. Insurance, 401K contributions, etc.)
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you earn $94k/yr ?? How old are you, whats you degree and occupation? I am curious.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
this is a pure assumption that is unquantifiable. ill tell you what though, want to guess how many females I met in university who were majoring in psychology/sociology/communications (read ‘bullshit’)? [/quote]
There are sociologist and psychologists who earn six figures and the field of psychology is very important for the well being of people and understanding our world.
Some PR and marketing execs and news reporters who majored in communications earn six to seven figures. My cousin majored in PR and communications and now works at one of the biggest media giants in the world, pretty much one that dictates ALL fashion and music trends for decades.
It’s pretty funny you consider those three majors as bullshit.
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All the more so when it comes in a post responding to Ms. Q, who unless I’m mistaken is gainfully employed in one of those “bullshit” fields.
Edited to add: A good friend of mine who is a clinical counsellor bills out for $150/hr in his private practice. Yep, total BS.[/quote]
Yes, and I just checked and found that I earn approximately double the median income for white males in America - which is not a princely sum by any means, but it’s certainly not to be discounted as nothing.
(My hourly billing is around that, but it’s my organization that makes that amount of money, not me. Which is fine. Insurance, 401K contributions, etc.)
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again, thank you for your anecdote… lol
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
this is a pure assumption that is unquantifiable. ill tell you what though, want to guess how many females I met in university who were majoring in psychology/sociology/communications (read ‘bullshit’)? [/quote]
There are sociologist and psychologists who earn six figures and the field of psychology is very important for the well being of people and understanding our world.
Some PR and marketing execs and news reporters who majored in communications earn six to seven figures. My cousin majored in PR and communications and now works at one of the biggest media giants in the world, pretty much one that dictates ALL fashion and music trends for decades.
It’s pretty funny you consider those three majors as bullshit.
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All the more so when it comes in a post responding to Ms. Q, who unless I’m mistaken is gainfully employed in one of those “bullshit” fields.
Edited to add: A good friend of mine who is a clinical counsellor bills out for $150/hr in his private practice. Yep, total BS.[/quote]
Sure you can find people making good money in the more competitive, “bullshit” fields…and they are competitive because so many people went for the B(ull)S(hit) degree, because, well it’s an easy 4-yr degree to acquire. Just like how there are thousands of kids going for a Music recording “engineer” degree but they’d be lucky if 1/20 of them can make a living off of it and take there career anywhere beyond delivering pizzas as their full-time gig. I’m sure you could find a Music recording “Engineer” making a living recording music…somewhere.
I know it’s risky to say that I agree with Mr.W on some of his points…OF COURSE there are gold-digging Skunks going to college for a Bullshit degree (Mass Comm, Art History, Marketing, Advertising etc) so that they can at the least party and still stumble their way through their degree. And probably some of those have it in the back of their heads to find a guy who will be able to support them.
For every clinical counselor who has a psych degree (and I ask if this person you know has a bachelor, masters or PhD?) making good money there are 20 people that hold the same degree who are high school counselors making a burger-flipping salary.
I would say a good number of women in colleges are majoring in rich husband hunting.
You dont pay hookers sex, you pay them to leave, and it will always be cheaper than marriage.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
this is a pure assumption that is unquantifiable. ill tell you what though, want to guess how many females I met in university who were majoring in psychology/sociology/communications (read ‘bullshit’)? [/quote]
There are sociologist and psychologists who earn six figures and the field of psychology is very important for the well being of people and understanding our world.
Some PR and marketing execs and news reporters who majored in communications earn six to seven figures. My cousin majored in PR and communications and now works at one of the biggest media giants in the world, pretty much one that dictates ALL fashion and music trends for decades.
It’s pretty funny you consider those three majors as bullshit.
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All the more so when it comes in a post responding to Ms. Q, who unless I’m mistaken is gainfully employed in one of those “bullshit” fields.
Edited to add: A good friend of mine who is a clinical counsellor bills out for $150/hr in his private practice. Yep, total BS.[/quote]
Sure you can find people making good money in the more competitive, “bullshit” fields…and they are competitive because so many people went for the B(ull)S(hit) degree, because, well it’s an easy 4-yr degree to acquire. Just like how there are thousands of kids going for a Music recording “engineer” degree but they’d be lucky if 1/20 of them can make a living off of it and take there career anywhere beyond delivering pizzas as their full-time gig. I’m sure you could find a Music recording “Engineer” making a living recording music…somewhere.
I know it’s risky to say that I agree with Mr.W on some of his points…OF COURSE there are gold-digging Skunks going to college for a Bullshit degree (Mass Comm, Art History, Marketing, Advertising etc) so that they can at the least party and still stumble their way through their degree. And probably some of those have it in the back of their heads to find a guy who will be able to support them.
For every clinical counselor who has a psych degree (and I ask if this person you know has a bachelor, masters or PhD?) making good money there are 20 people that hold the same degree who are high school counselors making a burger-flipping salary.[/quote]
I’m not going to go full research mode right now, and I’m not going to argue that certain fields aren’t worse off, but STEM degrees aren’t automatic cash cows anymore either. I know(anecdotes, go!) peers that are in the same boat as your stereotypical Bachelor of Arts majors despite having a degree in comp sci(you want to talk about oversaturated and competitive, lulz) or what have you. Either that or they’re working in god awful conditions, on salary for mediocre amounts of money and forced to work absurd hours to meet project deadlines.
Degrees themselves, of basically any kind, are just not what they once were, and that’s a different topic for a different thread. For the above comp sci example, a lot of employers don’t give a fuck about your degree they want to know what languages you are proficient in, they want to see a portfolio of prior work, they want additional training certificates, etc. The highest earning code monkey I know got his job at 19 because he sat in his basement learning how to program so he could hack shit as a teen, then figured out that he could use those same skills for great profit while not being an immature and malefic asshole.
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
women can change overnight… ive witnessed this happen numerous times. [/quote]
Ah, but then the man also deserves plenty of blame for not doing it right.
And I don’t mean sex, but rather fostering the ongoing attraction that is invariably present in healthy relationships.
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Agreed. Almost nothing changes overnight. The culmination of thousands of moments that go unnoticed in isolation may one day manifest itself as an overnight polar shift. Life is composed of all the small choices, not the big ones. In fact, the big decisions are usually almost predetermined by the little ones, by then we’re along for the ride.
That said, if you marry the wrong person for the wrong reasons, you’re probably screwed. However, you can marry the right person for the right reasons and still end up screwing yourself through complacency and neglect.
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Walkway - what we’re getting at here is that it’s just TOO basic/unsophisticated of an analysis to fixate on the modern day legal ramifications for Western women and men. Yes the current system can be exploited, we all get that.
Start digging deeper and you uncover what others have posted about companionship, emotional fulfillment etc.
Then remember that most women in fact would prefer to remain monogamous, that that’s in their nature far more than in males of the species. So then to focus blame on the woman is, again, too basic/unsophisticated.
[note: I’m not accusing you of doing that, but it is very implicit given the thread topic]
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
For every clinical counselor who has a psych degree (and I ask if this person you know has a bachelor, masters or PhD?) making good money there are 20 people that hold the same degree who are high school counselors making a burger-flipping salary.[/quote]
exactly…
and how well do these counselors and therapists fare during times of economic downturn?
[quote]chillain wrote:
Start digging deeper and you uncover what others have posted about companionship, emotional fulfillment etc.
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I don’t see what level of companionship and emotional fulfillment can’t be accomplished without marriage. why is marriage required to reach fulfillment? it literally offers nothing tangible except risk, for a man.
it’s like we (men) have been brainwashed into thinking marriage is something that it’s not… so that we walk straight into the trap.
yes… I just referred to marriage as a trap… lol. Once your wife balloons up to 275 pounds at 5’1, everyone here will start to see what I mean.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Unless you plan to have children, what is the point for a man to get married?
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Personally, I agree.
But I’d venture that for the vast vast vast majority of men, that ‘children/family’ criterion is closely approached by ‘acquiescence to cultural/social norms’ and ‘lack of available options’ motivations.
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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
Start digging deeper and you uncover what others have posted about companionship, emotional fulfillment etc.
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I don’t see what level of companionship and emotional fulfillment can’t be accomplished without marriage. why is marriage required to reach fulfillment? it literally offers nothing tangible except risk, for a man.
it’s like we (men) have been brainwashed into thinking marriage is something that it’s not… so that we walk straight into the trap.
yes… I just referred to marriage as a trap… lol. Once your wife balloons up to 275 pounds at 5’1, everyone here will start to see what I mean. [/quote]
Oh holy crap at the level of arrogance. Never been married. Still in school. Never had sex. No real life experience. Doesn’t know what marriage means. Proceeds to preach to everyone about what marriage is and isn’t.
Listen, I don’t own a motorcycle. I think riding one as transportation is stupid. It is a good way to get killed. I’ve seen way too much hamburger on the side of the road. But I don’t go around telling everyone that rides they are idiots and should quit. You know why? I’ve never ridden one. And I’m not an arrogant prick calling out motor cycle riders as idiots on the grounds that I once fell off a bicycle and bumped my knee and got an ouchie.
You have no frame of reference for speaking on marriage. You have absolutely no concept of what it is or isn’t. And judging by your posts and apparent history, I agree with you, you absolutely shouldn’t get married. You aren’t mature enough for it.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
Start digging deeper and you uncover what others have posted about companionship, emotional fulfillment etc.
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I don’t see what level of companionship and emotional fulfillment can’t be accomplished without marriage. why is marriage required to reach fulfillment? it literally offers nothing tangible except risk, for a man.
it’s like we (men) have been brainwashed into thinking marriage is something that it’s not… so that we walk straight into the trap.
yes… I just referred to marriage as a trap… lol. Once your wife balloons up to 275 pounds at 5’1, everyone here will start to see what I mean. [/quote]
Oh holy crap at the level of arrogance. Never been married. Still in school. Never had sex. No real life experience. Doesn’t know what marriage means. Proceeds to preach to everyone about what marriage is and isn’t.
Listen, I don’t own a motorcycle. I think riding one as transportation is stupid. It is a good way to get killed. I’ve seen way too much hamburger on the side of the road. But I don’t go around telling everyone that rides they are idiots and should quit. You know why? I’ve never ridden one. And I’m not an arrogant prick calling out motor cycle riders as idiots on the grounds that I once fell off a bicycle and bumped my knee and got an ouchie.
You have no frame of reference for speaking on marriage. You have absolutely no concept of what it is or isn’t. And judging by your posts and apparent history, I agree with you, you absolutely shouldn’t get married. You aren’t mature enough for it.[/quote]
im really just making an argument (marriage doesn’t benefit a man), and hoping that people will put up counterarguments so we can have a dialogue.
so far, all ive heard in support of marriage is:
‘love’, which is a non-answer because you can be just as in love without marriage
traditionalism, which is a moot point, as very few people are old-fashioned and follow tradition these days
and societal acceptance…which is also a moot point, because society is so far degenerated that no one should be seeking its acceptance lol.
as for your motorcycle example, sure, it would be arrogant of you to call people who ride motorcycles idiots… but it wouldn’t be arrogant of you to ask them why they ride motorcycles, knowing the risks involved.
that’s exactly what im doing, asking the men on this site why they would want to get married, knowing the risks that are involved.
It’s not arrogance. It’s fear of pain.
[quote]comus3 wrote:
It’s not arrogance. It’s fear of pain. [/quote]
is the assessment of risk… weighing of risk/benefit, and making a decision afterwards…
like they say… ‘fools rush in’
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Listen, I don’t own a motorcycle. I think riding one as transportation is stupid. It is a good way to get killed. I’ve seen way too much hamburger on the side of the road. But I don’t go around telling everyone that rides they are idiots and should quit. You know why? I’ve never ridden one. And I’m not an arrogant prick calling out motor cycle riders as idiots on the grounds that I once fell off a bicycle and bumped my knee and got an ouchie.[/quote]
Listen, I don’t smoke cigarettes. I think smoking them as a recreational activity is stupid. It is a good way to get killed. I’ve seen way too much pleura hacked onto the floor. But I don’t go around telling everyone that smokes they are idiots and should quit. You know why? I’ve never smoked one. And I’m not an arrogant prick calling out smokers as idiots on the grounds that I once stood too close to a campfire and inhaled some ash.
Listen, I don’t drive drunk. I think driving drunk as transportation is stupid. It is a good way to get killed. I’ve seen way too much hamburger on the side of the road. But I don’t go around telling everyone that drives drunk they are idiots and should quit. You know why? I’ve never driven drunk. And I’m not an arrogant prick calling out drunk drivers as idiots on the grounds that I once slammed a cranberry lime splash Smirnoff Ice and stubbed my toe on a coffee table.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]comus3 wrote:
It’s not arrogance. It’s fear of pain. [/quote]
is the assessment of risk… weighing of risk/benefit, and making a decision afterwards…
like they say… ‘fools rush in’[/quote]
I won’t argue with you as its your risk/benefit calculus to make.
You have clearly articulated the risk. What about the benefit? That seems to be the unknown in your calculus and the fear that the benefit (the pleasure) won’t outweigh the risk of pain. Not certain pain but the risk of pain.
[quote]comus3 wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]comus3 wrote:
It’s not arrogance. It’s fear of pain. [/quote]
is the assessment of risk… weighing of risk/benefit, and making a decision afterwards…
like they say… ‘fools rush in’[/quote]
I won’t argue with you as its your risk/benefit calculus to make.
You have clearly articulated the risk. What about the benefit? That seems to be the unknown in your calculus and the fear that the benefit (the pleasure) won’t outweigh the risk of pain. Not certain pain but the risk of pain.
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that’s basically what im trying to find out in this thread - what is the benefit in marriage to a man.