Why Do Men Get Married These Days?

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Alright, point taken.

However, please not only notice but also understand the point I was making above.

That is neither a small nor a trivial thing.

Indeed, its dead serious! [/quote]

I disagree with your point, is the thing. We’re back to the whole different species of animal thing. You suggest that women are incapable of loyalty and yet there are millions of them wedded to batterers or writing to men in prison or steadfastly hanging in waiting for their beloved to get a job and stop making passes at other women. I think these women are idiots, of course, but they are certainly not merciless.

Your theories don’t past the sniff test.[/quote]

I mean just from personal experience. My wife has to put up with way more from me than I do from her. I am a public school employee (accountant) so obviously I don’t make a lot. And she puts up with it, smiles, and every night wraps her arms around my waist and sleeps with her head on my chest just because.

Another personal anecdote, all of the men in my immediate family (grandfathers, dad, and uncles) have cheated on their wives. With the exception of one uncle, all the women stayed married to their husbands. Doesn’t exactly paint the neat little picture of the merciless harpy’s waiting to take their money that you paint. [/quote]

Well, in an interesting way, you cheating only reinforces the idea that she picked the right man.

Because other women want you.[/quote]

I haven’t cheated, just to be clear. Unsure if you meant you, in a general or specific sense.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Alright, point taken.

However, please not only notice but also understand the point I was making above.

That is neither a small nor a trivial thing.

Indeed, its dead serious! [/quote]

I disagree with your point, is the thing. We’re back to the whole different species of animal thing. You suggest that women are incapable of loyalty and yet there are millions of them wedded to batterers or writing to men in prison or steadfastly hanging in waiting for their beloved to get a job and stop making passes at other women. I think these women are idiots, of course, but they are certainly not merciless.

Your theories don’t past the sniff test.[/quote]

Yeah well, you see, but then you dont.

They are not with these men despite their flaws.

Violent criminals have more children than “normal” men, serial killers get love letters, sociopaths have more sex partners than emotionally healthy men, one of the, if not the most prevalent female sexual fantasy is very rapetastic.

Women dig those men.

What you are describing are not drawbacks, those are excellent selling points. [/quote]

But to raise a point from previous threads that you made, these are not the men that they would be culturally programmed to settle down with. They do not provide security that a more stable man would provide, but the abusers, sociopaths, criminals, etc. are the men they would fuck. Still doesn’t fit the neat little boxes that you painted.
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Well, AFBB !

Those are the men they want to fuck on visceral level, the beta bucks comes in when they want a nice dependable worker drone to pay a very high price for something they gave away for free in their prime.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Alright, point taken.

However, please not only notice but also understand the point I was making above.

That is neither a small nor a trivial thing.

Indeed, its dead serious! [/quote]

I disagree with your point, is the thing. We’re back to the whole different species of animal thing. You suggest that women are incapable of loyalty and yet there are millions of them wedded to batterers or writing to men in prison or steadfastly hanging in waiting for their beloved to get a job and stop making passes at other women. I think these women are idiots, of course, but they are certainly not merciless.

Your theories don’t past the sniff test.[/quote]

I mean just from personal experience. My wife has to put up with way more from me than I do from her. I am a public school employee (accountant) so obviously I don’t make a lot. And she puts up with it, smiles, and every night wraps her arms around my waist and sleeps with her head on my chest just because.

Another personal anecdote, all of the men in my immediate family (grandfathers, dad, and uncles) have cheated on their wives. With the exception of one uncle, all the women stayed married to their husbands. Doesn’t exactly paint the neat little picture of the merciless harpy’s waiting to take their money that you paint. [/quote]

Well, in an interesting way, you cheating only reinforces the idea that she picked the right man.

Because other women want you.[/quote]

I haven’t cheated, just to be clear. Unsure if you meant you, in a general or specific sense. [/quote]

Its unlikely that I will find that study, so you will have to take my word for it but either NZ or Australian researchers did something very interesting.

They correlated several events and the likelyhood of a divorce in the future.

Now, women might say that they would divorce you if you cheated, but they wont.

Correlation, zero.

Lose your job or get sick however…

Oh, they will say alot, but their actions very clearly say something else.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Alright, point taken.

However, please not only notice but also understand the point I was making above.

That is neither a small nor a trivial thing.

Indeed, its dead serious! [/quote]

I disagree with your point, is the thing. We’re back to the whole different species of animal thing. You suggest that women are incapable of loyalty and yet there are millions of them wedded to batterers or writing to men in prison or steadfastly hanging in waiting for their beloved to get a job and stop making passes at other women. I think these women are idiots, of course, but they are certainly not merciless.

Your theories don’t past the sniff test.[/quote]

Yeah well, you see, but then you dont.

They are not with these men despite their flaws.

Violent criminals have more children than “normal” men, serial killers get love letters, sociopaths have more sex partners than emotionally healthy men, one of the, if not the most prevalent female sexual fantasy is very rapetastic.

Women dig those men.

What you are describing are not drawbacks, those are excellent selling points. [/quote]

But to raise a point from previous threads that you made, these are not the men that they would be culturally programmed to settle down with. They do not provide security that a more stable man would provide, but the abusers, sociopaths, criminals, etc. are the men they would fuck. Still doesn’t fit the neat little boxes that you painted.
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Well, AFBB !

Those are the men they want to fuck on visceral level, the beta bucks comes in when they want a nice dependable worker drone to pay a very high price for something they gave away for free in their prime. [/quote]

What about the women who marry in their prime before the earning potential of their chosen mate is apparent? Are they preemptively marrying the “beta bucks” or are they trying to lock down their visceral attractions before they lose the cards they are bringing to the table to keep their alpha there?

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[quote]ModernMonk wrote:

[quote]alpha_mike wrote:
Marry the right chick.

My wife is my best friend. She’s one of the coolest people I’ve ever met. She’s made me a better person and gave me two wonderful children. My life would suck without her/them.

Again, find the right person.[/quote]

  1. Most men say this before things go down hill.
  2. She could still be the coolest person, make you a better person and give you 2 children even if you weren’t married?

I’ve been there myself and luckily got out without being ripped off. I’ve had several girlfriends since then, and one thing is for sure: I will never get married again. I simply don’t see the benefit that a non-marriage relationship can’t offer.[/quote]

  1. No, most men (married) who say that stay married.
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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Alright, point taken.

However, please not only notice but also understand the point I was making above.

That is neither a small nor a trivial thing.

Indeed, its dead serious! [/quote]

I disagree with your point, is the thing. We’re back to the whole different species of animal thing. You suggest that women are incapable of loyalty and yet there are millions of them wedded to batterers or writing to men in prison or steadfastly hanging in waiting for their beloved to get a job and stop making passes at other women. I think these women are idiots, of course, but they are certainly not merciless.

Your theories don’t past the sniff test.[/quote]

Yeah well, you see, but then you dont.

They are not with these men despite their flaws.

Violent criminals have more children than “normal” men, serial killers get love letters, sociopaths have more sex partners than emotionally healthy men, one of the, if not the most prevalent female sexual fantasy is very rapetastic.

Women dig those men.

What you are describing are not drawbacks, those are excellent selling points. [/quote]

But to raise a point from previous threads that you made, these are not the men that they would be culturally programmed to settle down with. They do not provide security that a more stable man would provide, but the abusers, sociopaths, criminals, etc. are the men they would fuck. Still doesn’t fit the neat little boxes that you painted.
[/quote]

Well, AFBB !

Those are the men they want to fuck on visceral level, the beta bucks comes in when they want a nice dependable worker drone to pay a very high price for something they gave away for free in their prime. [/quote]

What about the women who marry in their prime before the earning potential of their chosen mate is apparent? Are they preemptively marrying the “beta bucks” or are they trying to lock down their visceral attractions before they lose the cards they are bringing to the table to keep their alpha there?
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I really dont know, could be both.

I can say though that the very few women who did that came from an intact family and had a good relationship with their father.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Now, women might say that they would divorce you if you cheated, but they wont.

Correlation, zero. [/quote]

Actually have found this to be the case for the most part in my experience (provided it is not an habitual thing)

Results in a lot of divorce but I would surmise that has as more to do with the behavior of the man who has much of his personal identity and self-worth tied to his job. Losing his job hits his ego, so he becomes angry, depressed, unsure of himself or any other host of completely undesirable traits that ultimately pushes his partner away. Not saying this is true 100% on the time but women leaving men when they lose their job because they aren’t bringing in money is probably a smaller percentage than the reasons I mentioned.

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or get sick however…
Oh, they will say alot, but their actions very clearly say something else. [/quote]

This I have seen numerous times to be totally false and fall far more in favor of women sticking with ill partners than men. It fits right in that innate need women have to be nurturers. Nurturing being a skill men totally lack and being the explanation for why every child runs to mom and not dad when they are upset.

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[quote]orion wrote:

Yeah well, you see, but then you dont.

They are not with these men despite their flaws.

Violent criminals have more children than “normal” men, serial killers get love letters, sociopaths have more sex partners than emotionally healthy men, one of the, if not the most prevalent female sexual fantasy is very rapetastic.

Women dig those men.

What you are describing are not drawbacks, those are excellent selling points.
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Much of this could be read multiple ways though, especially the sociopath part. Is it not telling that the emotionally healthy men, are emotionally healthy despite ‘losing’ in the war for many partners, or how many children they have, or how many strangers are writing them love letters(that one is stupid anyway, fame plays into it, celebrities almost certainly get more love letters).

Seems a bit chicken and egg for some of these statistics.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Yeah well, you see, but then you dont.

They are not with these men despite their flaws.

Violent criminals have more children than “normal” men, serial killers get love letters, sociopaths have more sex partners than emotionally healthy men, one of the, if not the most prevalent female sexual fantasy is very rapetastic.

Women dig those men.

What you are describing are not drawbacks, those are excellent selling points.
[/quote]

Much of this could be read multiple ways though, especially the sociopath part. Is it not telling that the emotionally healthy men, are emotionally healthy despite ‘losing’ in the war for many partners, or how many children they have, or how many strangers are writing them love letters(that one is stupid anyway, fame plays into it, celebrities almost certainly get more love letters).

Seems a bit chicken and egg for some of these statistics.[/quote]

Well yes, preselection plays a very big role.

A more important one that being a fucking axe murderer.

As for the chicken and the egg thing, I agree, but if you but all of it together and if you look at the quasi porn women actually buy and if you look at female sexuality that is narcissistic and reactive by nature, well, sooner or later a picture emerges.

Women like strong and decisive men, preferably with the ability to dish out violence or death because those were precisely the ones who would have made their offspring survive.

Women, at least in their prime, get their tingles from men who could smash someone elses head in with a rock.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
It’s really enjoyable to do. I regret that it didn’t occur to me sooner, though on the other hand I’d never do it by myself. I need to stop falling, though. A couple of adventures ago I sprained my wrist, or something, and then pulled him down on me a second time (icy that night). Now I get intermittent warnings that it’s winter out, and things may be slippery. I fractured my elbow last winter playing on the ice with him. I may need to get wrist guards.

TL;DR Relationships with men are dangerous!
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I remember you posting that you were accident prone rofl. Just stay a safe distance away from ice and bicycles at all times.

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
It’s really enjoyable to do. I regret that it didn’t occur to me sooner, though on the other hand I’d never do it by myself. I need to stop falling, though. A couple of adventures ago I sprained my wrist, or something, and then pulled him down on me a second time (icy that night). Now I get intermittent warnings that it’s winter out, and things may be slippery. I fractured my elbow last winter playing on the ice with him. I may need to get wrist guards.

TL;DR Relationships with men are dangerous!
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I remember you posting that you were accident prone rofl. Just stay a safe distance away from ice and bicycles at all times.[/quote]

I fucking love my bicycle. So much.

My feelings for it approach rapetastic.

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OP, have you ever considered getting evaluated for sociopathy? This is a legitimate question, because the way you describe friendships, relationships, and how you pretty much settle on them based solely on their utility to you sounds very much like someone with at least mild sociopathy. You seem to have no empathy for anyone really.

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[quote]nkklllll wrote:
OP, have you ever considered getting evaluated for sociopathy? This is a legitimate question, because the way you describe friendships, relationships, and how you pretty much settle on them based solely on their utility to you sounds very much like someone with at least mild sociopathy. You seem to have no empathy for anyone really.[/quote]

I have been evaluated

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]nkklllll wrote:
OP, have you ever considered getting evaluated for sociopathy? This is a legitimate question, because the way you describe friendships, relationships, and how you pretty much settle on them based solely on their utility to you sounds very much like someone with at least mild sociopathy. You seem to have no empathy for anyone really.[/quote]

I have been evaluated [/quote]

And?

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]nkklllll wrote:
OP, have you ever considered getting evaluated for sociopathy? This is a legitimate question, because the way you describe friendships, relationships, and how you pretty much settle on them based solely on their utility to you sounds very much like someone with at least mild sociopathy. You seem to have no empathy for anyone really.[/quote]

I have been evaluated [/quote]

And?[/quote]

that’s privileged information between me and my psychologist (:

I think that everyone displays sociopathic behaviors every once in a while.

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[quote]nkklllll wrote:
OP, have you ever considered getting evaluated for sociopathy? This is a legitimate question, because the way you describe friendships, relationships, and how you pretty much settle on them based solely on their utility to you sounds very much like someone with at least mild sociopathy. You seem to have no empathy for anyone really.[/quote]

Sociopaths finish ahead in life. It routinely shows men in positions of power CEOs, Surgeons, captains of industry, etc, measure high in sociopathic traits.

Just sayin’

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]nkklllll wrote:
OP, have you ever considered getting evaluated for sociopathy? This is a legitimate question, because the way you describe friendships, relationships, and how you pretty much settle on them based solely on their utility to you sounds very much like someone with at least mild sociopathy. You seem to have no empathy for anyone really.[/quote]

Sociopaths finish ahead in life. It routinely shows men in positions of power CEOs, Surgeons, captains of industry, etc, measure high in sociopathic traits.

Just sayin’
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They also often torture animals and murder people.

Just sayin’

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Found it. Only related since Orion mentioned women who had a good relationship with their fathers, and some of you are raising girls.

Best First Date.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
It’s really enjoyable to do. I regret that it didn’t occur to me sooner, though on the other hand I’d never do it by myself. I need to stop falling, though. A couple of adventures ago I sprained my wrist, or something, and then pulled him down on me a second time (icy that night). Now I get intermittent warnings that it’s winter out, and things may be slippery. I fractured my elbow last winter playing on the ice with him. I may need to get wrist guards.

TL;DR Relationships with men are dangerous!
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I remember you posting that you were accident prone rofl. Just stay a safe distance away from ice and bicycles at all times.[/quote]

I fucking love my bicycle. So much.

My feelings for it approach rapetastic.[/quote]

Your bike cannot consent.

Therefore every ride on it is rape.