Tic up by 1 to 2 mg per day when you are doing daily. If 10mg was ok. Yes, 12mg might be the the sweet spot. You can also try a cream/injection combo. Also look into sublingual or transdermal dhea and pregnenolone.
Iād bet your SHBG tanked, which caused more free E2. Hence the gyno, libido issue.
Funny how when everybody else takes it their shbg goes down and their libidos and erections go way up. I only tried it temporarily and even if my results had been good I wouldnāt have used it long term. Eric has told me a million times never to do anything to purposely try to lower shbg.
@TRT_Phoenix I totally misread your comment.
Free E2?? Are you another guy who is scared to death of the estrogen boogeyman who lives under your bed? Have you not evolved from this yet?
What else gets freed up with you lower SHBG? Oh yeahā¦ I remember now. Free TESTOSTERONE. Somehow you still have your laser beams focused on E2.
Not sure what more Iām supposed to be providing here. It will be so nice when everyone gets over the equivalent of their childhood fearsā¦
I donāt think @TRT_Phoneixās comment about Free E2 is out in left field, itās no different than Total T and Free T, if Free T matters most which no one is going to argue, than maybe Free E2 matters more than estrogen even though its weakly bound to SHBG.
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Both of them would potentially go upā¦but somehow only the scary E2 is an issue? The thing that actually provides libido and erections? Partnered with the Free T that would be even higher?
Come on guysā¦
You were the one that mentioned Gyno flare up and loss of libido from Proviron. @TRT_Phoenix was just providing an explanation as to why. Crushing SHBG isnāt good and may create excess freeE2 and freeT. What do you think directly caused your gyno? Proviron? Testosterone? Or E2?
Iāve had gyno flareups from vitamin supplements, mineral supplements, edamame beans, and all kinds of other stuff.
Iāve had libido tanked by Vitamin D, zinc, pregnenolone, Calcium D Glucarate, DIM, and now even Proviron. Proviron also acts as a mild anti E. If anything I wonder if my body was hyper sensitive to the staff and it actually crashed my E2. I have no idea. I have no explanation other than Iāll never touch the stuff again.
Testosterone howeverā¦ seems I can take as much of that as I wish with zero issues.
This is dependent actually on more than response to testosterone. Given the predispensity for testosterone to induce certain side effects when dosed high (particularly cystic acne, hair loss, high blood pressure and more) one will opt for synthetic androgens. From experience I can tell you Iāve had a MUCH easier time with synthetic androgens in terms of physical side effectsā¦ dramatically less acne, body hair growth in particularā¦ testosterone also aggravates pre existing autonomic dysfunction (for me) to a far higher degree than the synthetic compounds Iāve tried
Then again Iāve never really used either synthetic androgens or testosterone in āmuscle buildingā dosagesā¦ Iāve used āin betweenā dosages before though
That being said, synthetic androgens are typically harsher on lipids, kidney health (long term), sometimes haematological parameters (EQ anyone?)ā¦ neurologyā¦
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Guys, for this of you who think youāll just blow up with tons of mass by taking 500mg of testosterone alone, think again. If your diet isnāt amazing and you arenāt eating enough, not much will happen. Then training frequency and intensity play a role. The diet is probably the biggest part of the equation. Once I tried higher doses like that, it convinced me even more how much diet plays a role. All the drugs in the world wonāt do much if youāre not eating properly.
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I gained much more on 350 and lots of food compared to half assing it at 500, food is super important, so is training. Idiots who have never taken gear dont seem to understand this. Ive gotten a shit ton of respect for pro Bodybuilers when i realised this, they are genetically superior speciemen with an incredible work ethic and determination.
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Completely agree
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Aaawwwweeeeā¦ I got a heart from @equel
I heart you too lol
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Then you get lots of amateur/wannabe bodybuilders who megadose everything because āyou need to be on 3G tren year round to competeā¦ rightāā¦ they still look like shit, perform like shitā¦
Obviously the 3G tren is an exaggeration, but stillā¦ people are taking gear use way too far in the lower levels of bodybuilding, a gram weekly isnāt uncommon amongst gym rats nowadaysā¦ are you fucking kidding me? Thatās normal nowā¦
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Just look at the interview I did with John Meadows. The guy was taking 50mg of Winstrol today and got his best gains ever during that time. Obviously he was eating and training like a muthafucka. Today everybody needs at least a gram or more to get gains. They think if they take enough drugs they can lie in their beds and grow muscles.
Stanozololā¦ grossā¦ joint painā¦ lipidsā¦ liverā¦ agh
But as a pre contest drug itās supposedly the shit if you can put up with itā¦ Iāve heard of guys gaining a good 10lbs on trt test + winnyā¦ itās a FAR more powerful drug than most give it credit for
But given the lipid destruction, hepatotoxicity, nephrotoxicity, distinctly vasoconstrictive effect (uniquely linked to inducing quite a few coronary vasospasms within medical literature)ā¦ I just donāt think winny should be utilised outside of competition prep
I can link you to a endo on this forum. I hear he will work for bitcoin.
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Yes i have Friends who dont compete, using 2-3g a week.
And thatās going full retard in my opinionā¦
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Proviron will bind to SHBG. This will increase Free T. When that happens E2 goes up. If E2 goes up more than is reduced by the mild AI action of proviron, then you may get high E2 symptoms like gyno and reduction of libido.
What you stated is probable to happen (wonāt happen with all / most). I would not doubt your claim.