The answer to why is simple.> unbalanced ratio of total t, free t, dht, and e2. The answer to how to fix it is not. But i believe frequent injections screw this balance up the most.
Iām curious why you would say frequent injections screw up the balance. I always read that frequent injection more closely mimic the bodyās own production of testosterone.
Heās a troll based in most his post. Ignore it. @jchems
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Oh boy
Half the guys I deal with are doing daily shots. I guess Iāll contact all of them and let them know that they arenāt actually feeling better and symptom freeā¦thatās itās placebo. I know this because a guy on T-Nation said so. Yup, makes perfect sense.
Facepalm
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I know this will sound crazy, but Iāve seen it, and Eric Serrano has told me about it numerous times.
Right now youāll try virtually anything, right?
Try this, add a bunch of carbs to your diet for a week or two. You wonāt get fat (you know this already). Just add the carbs. Then tell me if it has had any effect on your libido and erections. Just an experiment (youāve got nothing to lose at this point)
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@equel
My libido took something like 3-4 months to get where I actually had one on a dosage change and a little longer to get consistent. When I was changing dosages every 2-3 months I didnāt have much of a libido. How long did you stick to the same protocol on higher dosages?
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Ok sure Ill add more carbs no probs
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On higher dosages, about 3-4 months, my cycles usually run that long so. Ive done
125mg a week
150mg a week
230mg a week
250mg a week
280mg a week (currently)
350mg a week
500mg a week
750mg a week
Some of them I did with AI, then I had āsomewhatā of a libido and sometimes strong erections, but it was SUPER random. Ive used tons of AI, everything from 0.25mg a week to 0.25mg a day, even 0.5mg a day on my first 500mg cycle.
Ive done 500mg without AI. Im currently on 280mg without AI. Without AI, ZERO libido and WEAK erections, and when they finally get up, they dont stay up.
When I used an AI, atleast, on occasion, they were hard and libido was strong, but next day (or whatever) gone again.
Ive also done smaller dosages, on those, my libido is better than all the high dosage ones. Best libido so far is 10mg daily, tried 15mg daily and libido went away.
On natty 266ng/dl testosterone, erections were pretty OK and libido OK, certainly way better than on high dosages of testosterone.
Hmmm what to say more, uh, last summer I did 12mg test prop daily, libido was ādecentā but far from good really, then I decided to add 20mg of anavar ED, BOOM erections became super strong, SUPER STRONG, but libido still kinda shitty.
This shit is hormonal and I need to figure it out. My current hypothesis is that my system just gets overwhelmed when T is too high, wether its cause of the T directly, or E2, or DHT, I dunno.
If testosterone levels are sufficient and you still have libido/ED issues, the issue lies elsewhere with thyroid and/or adrenal output as per @dbossaās initial reply. Get a 24 hour salvia cortisol test done and also get a full thyroid panel done (including rt3). Post all the labs here once you have those and we can advise further.
As a side note, do you have any testicular abnormalities like varicocele, vasectomy, etc?
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And its impossible to get help from doctors here. Endos in my country are absolute retards, all of them, they know nothing. Your random 21 year old steroid abusing bro scientist on fitmisc know way more than them.
Soon I will give away money to whoever can fix my dick and arousal, im getting that desperate.
Oh well, atleast im on track somewhat now, 10mg worked OK, 15mg not OK, maybe damn 12mg then, or maybe even 8 (ed ofc), sighhhhhhhhhhh
What? Then why do my libido change completely based on my hormone levels?
500mg a week = ZERO libido and boner.
70mg a week = DECENT ones, but far from optimal, but BETTER.
This is a hormonal issue, Im 99% sure of it. Yeah yeah thyroid and blabla, maybe, but im pretty sure this has to do with T, free T, DHT, E2, SHBG, Free E2 etc.
Ive had cortisol tests, they were fine.
Prolactin was elevated somewhat, but it was that way natty too and had libido back then, and ive heard many people on boards having slightly elevated prolactin yet having libido, so i dunno.
Hell do I know, maybe it is my god damn thyroid, but I really fucking doubt it.
And yes im frustrated, as usual, thats what happends with a non functioning penor when ure 30.
TRT can down-regulate thyroid function further, while at the same time up-regulating FT3 levels due to increased iodine re-uptake (this is typically why people feel more āenergyā on TRT). At the same time, increased TSH can increase prolactin which down regulates dopamine and by proxy, your libido/recovery time and erectile function.
FT4 is usually depressed further on TRT, which can also result in libido/ED issues if you have a sluggish thyroid prior (or subclinical symptoms). One doctor I seen prior mentioned that any TSH over 1.5 should be investigated more in-depth. I would be interested in seeing all your lab work and not working on the notion of ānormalā (which is subjective here).
The reason why different dosages impact you, is because E2 influences thyroid binding goblin and fluctuations in that along with daily deviation in thyroid and adrenal function will cause you to have good and bad days on TRT, which may be dosage dependent. This is the reason you can never be truly dialled in on TRT if you have underling issues with these systems.
@equel itās process of elimination. Test out things you have control over to rule them out. Maybe you just need more carbs, maybe itās thyroid, maybe something weād notice in your CBC, etc. At this point we try everything and be able to rule out stuff instead of saying āMaybe it is and maybe it isnāt.ā. If we can get stuff REALLY narrowed down Iāll ask Eric Serrano what he thinks next time I speak with him.
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@equel
I know several folks who lose all libido on Anavar so thatās surprising. Anyways, for me personally consistent libido is the last thing to come with TRT and takes a long time
Some guys also report crazy libido using Proviron (which also acts as a mild AI). I tried it myself. Surprisingly, my mild gyno flared up and my libido got tanked. Itās amazing how one personās medicine is another personās poison when it comes to these drugs.
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You might want to seriously rethink that comment. That is going to lower your credibility big time.
No Brother. Sorry. It has nothing to do with any of this. It is simply unbalanced tt, free t, dht, e2. Equel is correct with his suspicions. He just needs to find that balance.
@GSX250 there are a lot of insults, lots of bro science, and very little actual evidence or practical advice coming from you which the rest of us recognize. If someone should be concerned with credibility, it isnāt me.
Can you provide any evidence for any of your statements?
And which comment, exactly, should I be rethinking?
Did you every try the 80 or 100 a week with no AI for 6-8 weeks? Thatās what I would do.
Then adjust if necessary.
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There is nothing to rethink. Itās been reported many times in this very forum and by the men in my FB group and that was the reaction occurred when I tried it.
Whats the issue?
Are you going to continue to troll this forum?