My point is the familiarity is happening as we speak
Iām not well educated enough to have a particularly nuanced view on Islamic texts but a direct, unambiguous call for violence on people based on religion crosses a pretty clear line for me.
You would have to be specific on what he was saying. āJews invented communism as a way to control the massesā is silliness. āWe should kill themā is hate speech. There are plenty of areas where this gets murky though. When does the silliness get bad enough that it incites people to violence without saying it? If you suddenly start accepting that racial slurs are OK, how long before you start mentally segregating people? How long after that before you develop the āus and themā mentality. How long after that before āthemā become seen as subhuman? How long after that before the violence? Hard to legislate for that kind of thing. Its an interesting area to explore.
I donāt know what you mean by this.
Do you believe that your government does a good job of consistently applying hate speech laws?
I donāt believe Iāve ever heard of them being applied to the political speech done under the guise of religious practice. I imagine that would be big news and upset a lot of the same leftists who were happy to have the Nazi dogās owner prosecuted for filming his pet.
Thoughts?
But will they hear it?
Defamation of character? Libel? Slander? How do they fit into your overly simple view of reality?
Come on man, I didnāt really like Trump, but this is an exaggeration. The first one doesnāt apply.
The second, was more of trying to delegitimize the media. Calling it fake news and such. We were a long way away from government controlled media. I will admit that how Hitler started out was very similar to what Trump did. HItler would call the news ālĆ¼genpresseā which translates ālying pressā. I do see the similarity, but I still think it is an exaggeration.
I donāt really see how the third applies?
The fourth and fifth, sure a little (but you are guilty of hyperbole here). Conservatives have tried to get certain books they deem as woke or certain classes they deem as woke banned in schools recently. This isnāt anything near what 1930s Germany was doing, and you know it. The conservatives trying to get topics they donāt agree with (Evolution for example) out of schools isnāt anything new, and isnāt the end of the world (I think it is silly, but they are typically not successful anyways).
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I donāt like them being criminal. I have no problem with a civil remedy, provided someone can prove harm. I think it would be very difficult(and maybe impossible) to prove that someoneās words have harmed you.
Yet, people win these cases in court. Even right wing news shut their mouths when threatened with lawsuits.
It doesnāt apply because gun laws in Germany were strict prior to the Nazis.
They do, and I disagree pretty much every time.
Thatās because youāre a troll.
I donāt believe my government does a good job at anything in general.
There have definitely been many high profile cases involving Islamic militant preachers being prosecuted and jailed for hate speech, yes.
No. Itās because I donāt believe speech causes harm. I donāt believe you have a right to the opinion of another.
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You donāt understand the concept of communication. If I call child protective services and tell them you are molesting your kids, youāll find out how much harm words can cause. If I report you to dhs as a terrorist or tell the cops you are selling drugs.
Iāve consulted for government at the state level. It is there I learned the answer to the question I pondered daily.
How many members of one extended family need to be on the project team so we might piss away $40 million dollars in taxpayer money with nothing to show for it?
The answer is seven.
I didnāt realize that. I thought they enjoyed a sort of protected class but it has been many years since I read anything about that situation.
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These all bring government agencies into the picture. The harm would come from government.
Anjem Chaudhary springs to mind as an example, but there are others. They seem to be treated pretty well, such is the nature of the current criminal justice system, but they do get charged and convicted.
You seem awfully passive about the situation for someone who believes america has turned into early nazi germany.
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Not a trump fan either
but each law pertaining to gun control is a path to banning themā¦hitler said to disarm the citizens is how you control them
The media is controlling the narrativeā¦this is how communism and national socialism starts
Books have been removed from schools, libraries and storesā¦dr Seuss, huckleberry finn, to kill a mockingbird
Speach and language is being challenged and changed to fit the narratives
Crime is being accepted and victims are being ridiculed
Donāt be so naive to think none of this is happening