Why Can't Spock Get Men?

Fuck all this shit.

I don’t need fucking fake tits to get a guy to like me. What kind of shitty ass men would only want me with huge knockers and like 6% body fat?

Certainly not the type that I am trying to attract anyway.

I want a guy to go for hikes with or to the dinosaur park.
THE ZOO BITCHES
I need double d’s so that I can find a fun dude to go to the zoo with?
Bull shit.
BULLSHIT

I have copious amounts of delicious good-ness to offer a man, and if any of them took the time to get to know me that would become apparent pretty quickly, me thinks.

I am the most genuine mother fucker I know.
I am not materialistic
I would never COULD NEVER cheat, despite what 99% of you on this site think about all women because we’re all the same, aren’t we?
NOPE

I fucked LOSERS
I PICKED LOSERS to fall for
I don’t know why. Probably because I have no self-esteem.
That is THE ONLY THING that needs to change.
Eye shadow could help, like 0.0004%
Tighter clothes, sure that would be nice
Maybe some high lights

Whatever.
It’s all substantial. I’ve gotten dolled up before and I still couldn’t flirt worth a damn.
I just need to find someone that’s not a loser fuck-wad, be myself, and it will all workout.

Spock, I haven’t read every comment here, but where are you going to meet men? That doesn’t mean you have to go somewhere just to meet men or that you have to be actively looking when you are there. But you have to be somewhere to meet guys. Try to figure out where the guys that you would be interested in are and then get in on that. Preferably it should be something where conversation is normal and you can expect some of the same people to keep showing up.

I know you’ll probably say the gym here and that isn’t a bad answer, but it isn’t cutting it for you, so you’ve got to find somewhere else. Obviously there are tons of things you can do to improve appearance or to get better at talking to people, but neither of those is going to matter if you aren’t frequently running into available guys that you are looking for.

[quote]Spock81 wrote:
I am the most genuine mother fucker I know.
I am not materialistic
I would never COULD NEVER cheat, despite what 99% of you on this site think about all women because we’re all the same, aren’t we?
NOPE
[/quote]

Spock, let me first state that all of this may be true. And, as someone who is dating a slightly overweight girl who is, however, an awesome person with a gorgeous face, let me state that I don’T think you need implants and/or super low bodyfat.

However, the list you just wrote (and which I am quoting) reminds me of this article:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-harsh-truths-that-will-make-you-better-person_p2/

“For the rest of you, I want you to try something: Name five impressive things about yourself. Write them down or just shout them out loud to the room. But here’s the catch – you’re not allowed to list anything you are (i.e., I’m a nice guy, I’m honest), but instead can only list things that you do (i.e., I just won a national chess tournament, I make the best chili in Massachusetts). If you found that difficult, well, this is for you, and you are going to fucking hate hearing it. My only defense is that this is what I wish somebody had said to me around 1995 or so.”

The issue is that you are a nice girl, good looking, compassionate - but no one who’s really worth it ever gets to know you to an extent where he can appreciate this. Is it a lack of ‘game’? Nah, I doubt it. In spite of what orion may say, pulling someone who’s relationship material doesn’t require that much game - you shouldn’t try to trick them into it.

You should, however, be aware of who you are and what you want, be able to present yourself (I actually mean your character. I think you look pretty enough) and know how to respond. Those are social skills and learning them can be very hard, but that’s really the root of the problem - presenting yourself and social skills.

[quote]Spock81 wrote:
Fuck all this shit…

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Damn. It seems that you are very hard on yourself. I would have a hard time speaking to someone I like or care for like that.

[quote]Spock81 wrote:
Fuck all this shit.

I don’t need fucking fake tits to get a guy to like me. What kind of shitty ass men would only want me with huge knockers and like 6% body fat?

Certainly not the type that I am trying to attract anyway.

I want a guy to go for hikes with or to the dinosaur park.
THE ZOO BITCHES
I need double d’s so that I can find a fun dude to go to the zoo with?
Bull shit.
BULLSHIT

I have copious amounts of delicious good-ness to offer a man, and if any of them took the time to get to know me that would become apparent pretty quickly, me thinks.

I am the most genuine mother fucker I know.
I am not materialistic
I would never COULD NEVER cheat, despite what 99% of you on this site think about all women because we’re all the same, aren’t we?
NOPE

I fucked LOSERS
I PICKED LOSERS to fall for
I don’t know why. Probably because I have no self-esteem.
That is THE ONLY THING that needs to change.
Eye shadow could help, like 0.0004%
Tighter clothes, sure that would be nice
Maybe some high lights

Whatever.
It’s all substantial. I’ve gotten dolled up before and I still couldn’t flirt worth a damn.
I just need to find someone that’s not a loser fuck-wad, be myself, and it will all workout. [/quote]
You go gurl

Biggest? Did you forget Zach? lol. I think I only placed second at the time. . . I’m happy to say I’m no longer that asshole.

Also I’m glad Nighthawkz and I are on the same page here, you need to be able to show people that you’re awesome, not just be awesome. When we meet for that driving lesson we can work on that. Personally I think you’re plenty attractive and I’m in a much better place to judge than anyone here is.

You just need to learn to let it show.

Don’t usually post in here, but a few thoughts:

You are genuinely pretty, but you’re not making the most of it. You work hard everyday in the gym to make the most of your body’s ability to improve. I’d suggest you spend a few minutes each day putting on basic makeup and an attractive outfit to showcase your hard earned looks. That alone, over time, would probably surprise you with how much more attention it gets you. No drastic changes, but if you look like you are not making an effort, or don’t desire attention, why would a man come and give you his attention or make an effort?

Availability IS desirability. You don’t have to be over the top and wear low cut clothing and tiny skirts with fishnets if that’s not your thing, but you do need to let men know that there might be something to be had from coming and saying hello to you.

As a single guy, based on that photo, the reason I wouldn’t approach you is that you look like a happily married mum doing the school run. No make up in public usually is a sign that a girl is happy and confident in her relationship, so why would a guy waste time and set himself up for a fall by saying hello?

What I don’t think you appreciate is how easy this whole process of getting guys can be for you. You come across as a sweetheart, and you’re good looking. Even guys who can get plenty of very attractive girls would be flattered if you came up to them and said hello. It really is that easy for a pretty girl. I know it’s not how the social dynamic is supposed to work, but why not go after what you want?

You already know that you’re cute enough that every single (as in not in a relationship) guy would happily have casual sex with you. That is a position of considerable power, and should be a source of confidence. You can start every interaction with a dude from the fundamental basis that he already wants you. Whether he gets it or not is obviously up to you.

What you do have to do is demonstrate through your personality that you are worth keeping around. This is the hardest part for most women. The funniest thing about your situation is that in many ways this shouldn’t be a problem for you. You do actually seem funny and interesting. Most girls (like most men) are lame, and quite boring if you spend a prolonged period of time around them.

I don’t know nearly enough about you to know if you have grown up interests, but other than makeup and cute clothes, I would recommend an adult hobby. Not ‘to meet men’ or anything like that, but for your own personal development and enjoyment. It will give you massive confidence in yourself to have things you are passionate about.

On a related note, and nighthawkz mentioned it above, but all the things you have mentioned here about yourself are character traits, which are definitely wonderful. But a guy can’t ask you about those on a date, or talking to you in the shops. Have something outside training that you are genuinely enthusiastic about, because it will let a guy ask you questions, which you will feel confident answering, and will make you feel comfortable revealing information about something important to you.

That will build trust and a certain bond right from the start, and create desire. A guy isn’t finding out about your love for mud wrestling, he is getting to share your passion and enthusiasm for something, and that is attractive.

[quote]Spock81 wrote:
Fuck all this shit.

I don’t need fucking fake tits to get a guy to like me. What kind of shitty ass men would only want me with huge knockers and like 6% body fat?

Certainly not the type that I am trying to attract anyway.

I want a guy to go for hikes with or to the dinosaur park.
THE ZOO BITCHES
I need double d’s so that I can find a fun dude to go to the zoo with?
Bull shit.
BULLSHIT

I have copious amounts of delicious good-ness to offer a man, and if any of them took the time to get to know me that would become apparent pretty quickly, me thinks.

I am the most genuine mother fucker I know.
I am not materialistic
I would never COULD NEVER cheat, despite what 99% of you on this site think about all women because we’re all the same, aren’t we?
NOPE

I fucked LOSERS
I PICKED LOSERS to fall for
I don’t know why. Probably because I have no self-esteem.
That is THE ONLY THING that needs to change.
Eye shadow could help, like 0.0004%
Tighter clothes, sure that would be nice
Maybe some high lights

Whatever.
It’s all substantial. I’ve gotten dolled up before and I still couldn’t flirt worth a damn.
I just need to find someone that’s not a loser fuck-wad, be myself, and it will all workout. [/quote]

I think you are on the right track here. You have a LOT to offer Spock. You don’t need to make any drastic changes. Just determine what you want. Be a little specific - not just " I want a nice, stable guy who won’t flake out at the first thought of being in a committed relationship." It needs to be “I want a nice, stable guy who won’t flake out at the first thought of being in a committed relationship, with goals and dreams and a plan to get there. And not just a plan that he’ll get around to starting someday, but a plan that he is working right now.” And the best way to find that guy is to come up with your own plan and start working it. It will put you in situations where you will meet more men. And it will give you a TON of self confidence. Which men will notice. A Spocky with a little self confidence and her own plan would be nigh irresistible to any hetero man with a hearbeat.

We are what we do. Set some goals for yourself that have nothing to do with men, and start chasing them. Soon you will have men hanging off you like ornaments on a Christmas tree.

And now it just got a little white-knighty.

[quote]Spock81 wrote:
I fucked LOSERS
I PICKED LOSERS to fall for
I don’t know why. Probably because I have no self-esteem.
That is THE ONLY THING that needs to change.
Eye shadow could help, like 0.0004%
Tighter clothes, sure that would be nice
Maybe some high lights

Whatever.
It’s all substantial. I’ve gotten dolled up before and I still couldn’t flirt worth a damn.
I just need to find someone that’s not a loser fuck-wad, be myself, and it will all workout. [/quote]

Working on goals and confidence and self-esteem is good and great and all.

But that’s not what’s going to get you guys.

[quote]LoRez wrote:
And now it just got a little white-knighty.[/quote]

YOU DON’T SAY

Oh for fuck sakes.

OH NO!! A couple of guys are being nice to me on the internet!!! How awful!!

Get over it or don’t read the goddamn thread.

And, no Stuart, you were a bigger asshole than Zach. At least he was nice enough to just toy with my head and not actually sleep with me JUST TO PROVE A POINT!!

I had feelings, you rotten motherfucker !!

It has nothing to do with being nice.

It’s the part where they’re parroting and reinforcing your views of the situation (i.e, “I don’t have to change, I just need to be more confident and people will like me how I am”), views that are counterproductive to the actual goal [of getting men].

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
And now it just got a little white-knighty.[/quote]

YOU DON’T SAY
[/quote]
Come at me fuckers!

[quote]Spock81 wrote:
Oh for fuck sakes.

OH NO!! A couple of guys are being nice to me on the internet!!! How awful!!

Get over it or don’t read the goddamn thread.

And, no Stuart, you were a bigger asshole than Zach. At least he was nice enough to just toy with my head and not actually sleep with me JUST TO PROVE A POINT!!

I had feelings, you rotten motherfucker !! [/quote]

Yeah, fair enough I’ll take the blame there.

On the upside I’m trying to help now.

[quote]LoRez wrote:
It has nothing to do with being nice.

It’s the part where they’re parroting and reinforcing your views of the situation (i.e, “I don’t have to change, I just need to be more confident and people will like me how I am”), views that are counterproductive to the actual goal [of getting men].[/quote]

I don’t think Spock needs to make drastic changes to her appearance. She does need to change bait or fish in different waters if she wants to meet someone of substance.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
And now it just got a little white-knighty.[/quote]

YOU DON’T SAY
[/quote]
Come at me fuckers![/quote]

OMG LOL!!!

As I read through this thread I’m thinking this is not the right place for a woman to seek advice on meeting men.

When I think of how/when I met my Mrs I remember being attracted to her for none of the usual things you would look for. She was so shy and quiet and she had to do literally NOTHING to attract my attention. I just knew there was something special about her and set out to find out what it was and make her mine (puke - but you get the idea)

The loud ‘confident’ attention-seeking girls make me want to look the other way, no matter what they look like.

Not sure how this helps your situation but just remember the more she acted like she wasn’t interested, the more I was.

UPDATE:

Yesterday instead of avoiding eye contact I actually looked at this cute little electrician dude that came into work to fix some panels of some sort.
He signed in and when he came to sign out I had to turn on the fan because I was starting to get red and sweaty.
A week ago I would have been too scared to even look and him and I wouldn’t have realized he was cute and the fan would have stayed off.

That was my baby step.

Fake tits = no further need for a bra.

See, I am thinking of your economic needs here.