“SMR on the foam roller, on the other hand, offers these benefits and breakdown of soft tissue adhesions and scar tissue.”[/quote]
And you think you were training so hard that you built up massive amounts of scar tissue and this is why you can’t make gains? Dude, sometimes some of you need to realize that there is a point where obsessive “book knowledge” simply makes you a pussy if you lack the determination and drive behind it.
You listed “muscle tightness” as one of the reasons you can’t make gains. I have lifted for a long time and if scar tissue was that big a threat from training, I would expect to have felt some of these destructive effects. There are people who no doubt train harder than you who don’t let minor aches and pains destroy their efforts.
I don’t care what someone’s goals are, if they want to be big, or tiny and cut, or even morbidly obese - if that is their goal.
What I have issue with is when a person has a goal but cannot reach it. And complains about it. And DOES NOT DO what is commonly considered the things required to achieve that goal.
It is true not everyone builds mass and strength at the same rate, or with the same ease. But that is not what people are complaining about. When people do not follow the guidelines, then complain that it is not working, that is just plain silly.
Also another point that is important, people think that food / supplements are there to support their training. WRONG. Training, is there to support your diet. It is the massive eating that is potentially anabolic (or potentially fat-abolic), then the training can make it happen. Not the other way around.
Eating (and drinking tonnes of water) comes first.
Then training
Then recovery.
If people eat barely enough to maintain a non-active state, and then they do half assed training with mediocre weights (ie are not pushing themselves), and also they either train every single day or do sports or party hard etc… as well, well they should not complain it ain’t working.
[quote]PGA200X wrote:
char-dawg wrote:
I find this thread highly amusing.
The reason being that I remember a time when PGA was the newbie here, complaining about how he couldn’t get stronger, yada yada. But now he’s all grown up an’ shit, all bad ass!
What a joke.
I’ve NEVER whined that I couldnt get stronger or couldnt gain muscle.[/quote]
Actually, several of the old-timers here remember the same thing I do. But I’m not going to spend a lot of time trying to find specific posts.
And thus, everyone one else in the world must be exactly the same, right? There is no room for other considerations such as age, injuries, stress from one’s lifestyle, hormonal problems, medical conditions, overtraining, failure to put on muscle as opposed to fat, etc etc etc.
I see.
As for my being here, I never totally left. There have been a few posts here and there. Just haven’t been doing it with the old frequency, that’s all.
And you think you were training so hard that you built up massive amounts of scar tissue and this is why you can’t make gains? Dude, sometimes some of you need to realize that there is a point where obsessive “book knowledge” simply makes you a pussy if you lack the determination and drive behind it.
You listed “muscle tightness” as one of the reasons you can’t make gains. I have lifted for a long time and if scar tissue was that big a threat from training, I would expect to have felt some of these destructive effects. There are people who no doubt train harder than you who don’t let minor aches and pains destroy their efforts.[/quote]
I had specific issues (hypermobility, scapular winging, impingment) due to an injury when I first started lifting (stupidity on my part). I spent a lot of time/money trying to fix the issue through rehab, but it was only with the addition of soft tissue massage and foam rolling etc that I began to see an improvement. I can deal with aches and pains, but what I had was far more serious and was shutting down my lifts.
In the past I would make improvements then experience quite a bit of pain and stop for awhile. Admittedly, I should have taken my rehab far more seriously, which is obviously my fault.
Anyhow, I think this article was one of the best written on lifters who aren’t going anywhere:
To the original poster, SO… what if i’m 5’10" 167 lbs, used to be 130 when i ran serious cross country and distance in track, am gaining 1 lb a week, and my numbers are increasing? Does it mean if I don’t gain 40 more pounds over night, i’m not eating enough or my routine sucks? Are you saying Thib’s HSS-100 sucks? Are you saying eating 4,000 or more clean calories a day sucks? Because that’s what I’m doing and that’s how i’m steadily gaining. I wouldn’t say everyone who isn’t in that stereotype range isn’t doing things right. idiot
And you think you were training so hard that you built up massive amounts of scar tissue and this is why you can’t make gains? Dude, sometimes some of you need to realize that there is a point where obsessive “book knowledge” simply makes you a pussy if you lack the determination and drive behind it.
You listed “muscle tightness” as one of the reasons you can’t make gains. I have lifted for a long time and if scar tissue was that big a threat from training, I would expect to have felt some of these destructive effects. There are people who no doubt train harder than you who don’t let minor aches and pains destroy their efforts.
I had specific issues (hypermobility, scapular winging, impingment) due to an injury when I first started lifting (stupidity on my part). I spent a lot of time/money trying to fix the issue through rehab, but it was only with the addition of soft tissue massage and foam rolling etc that I began to see an improvement. I can deal with aches and pains, but what I had was far more serious and was shutting down my lifts.
In the past I would make improvements then experience quite a bit of pain and stop for awhile. Admittedly, I should have taken my rehab far more seriously, which is obviously my fault.
Anyhow, I think this article was one of the best written on lifters who aren’t going anywhere:
It sounds like you need to learn proper form on these exercises. No one should be having injuries that often to the point that it derails your training, especially as a beginner.
[quote]relativelyfunguy wrote:
To the original poster, SO… what if i’m 5’10" 167 lbs, used to be 130 when i ran serious cross country and distance in track, am gaining 1 lb a week, and my numbers are increasing? Does it mean if I don’t gain 40 more pounds over night, i’m not eating enough or my routine sucks? Are you saying Thib’s HSS-100 sucks? Are you saying eating 4,000 or more clean calories a day sucks? Because that’s what I’m doing and that’s how i’m steadily gaining. I wouldn’t say everyone who isn’t in that stereotype range isn’t doing things right. idiot[/quote]
You, sir, have completely missed the point. Congrats.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
relativelyfunguy wrote:
To the original poster, SO… what if i’m 5’10" 167 lbs, used to be 130 when i ran serious cross country and distance in track, am gaining 1 lb a week, and my numbers are increasing? Does it mean if I don’t gain 40 more pounds over night, i’m not eating enough or my routine sucks? Are you saying Thib’s HSS-100 sucks? Are you saying eating 4,000 or more clean calories a day sucks? Because that’s what I’m doing and that’s how i’m steadily gaining. I wouldn’t say everyone who isn’t in that stereotype range isn’t doing things right. idiot
You, sir, have completely missed the point. Congrats.
[quote]char-dawg wrote:
Wrote a bunch of stuff…
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Who cares what I posted 5+ years ago? I dont remember ever disregarding the stuff that was told to me. If I havent changed my ways of training in the 5+ years I’ve been here I would be doing myself a great diservice.
There are exceptions for every rule (medical, age, etc.). You were a T-veteran and you believe most of the posts made here from the non-gainers are because of the reasons you claim? You take a look at the posts made in the past few years and tell me where their road blocks lay. I’d say better than 95% are because of the reasons I stated originally. Most of them dont have a clue, like I did and still do to some extent.
Since you’ve become Rugged over the past few years there have been more and more Abercrombie boys asking how to gain muscle and the suggestions given to them were completely disregarded. Even from the beasts of this board, which obviously doesnt include me. Thats where the roots of ths thread came from. Its not directed to the exceptions to the rule. We all know there are exceptions.
I just registered to say that I am so fucking glad to read a thread like this.
I have been hovering around this site for a long enough time, and I am certainly a noob to bodybuilding, and I am a somewhat skinny guy, but if there is one thing that irks me to no end it is the endless stream of excuses I hear people make for why they can’t get big(read: bigger, better, whatever)
Everything from the hard-gainer crap to the ectomorph crap. It is annoying shit. It’s refreshing as hell to hear a group of people actually not falling into that stuff.
Actually, I would say that - in my experience, anyway - it falls pretty evenly. About half the time you have someone who isn’t eating enough and/or doesn’t have sufficient workout intensity, and the other half it’s something else, most usually overtraining and/or life-related stress. Not everyone starts gaining just by eating more or upping their intensity.
I know what you’re talking about with the Abercrombies, but making sweeping “if THIS then THAT” statements isn’t doing anyone any real service. There are often other factors at work rather than just being a pussy, although certainly being a pussy accounts for a lot of problems.
[quote]relativelyfunguy wrote:
To the original poster, SO… what if i’m 5’10" 167 lbs, used to be 130 when i ran serious cross country and distance in track, am gaining 1 lb a week, and my numbers are increasing? Does it mean if I don’t gain 40 more pounds over night, i’m not eating enough or my routine sucks? Are you saying Thib’s HSS-100 sucks? Are you saying eating 4,000 or more clean calories a day sucks? Because that’s what I’m doing and that’s how i’m steadily gaining. I wouldn’t say everyone who isn’t in that stereotype range isn’t doing things right. idiot[/quote]
[quote]Trogdor wrote:
Honestly this thread is pointless, and the advice given about as meaningless. Many of you assume that if someone can not bench 300+ or squat 400+ than they should just eat more and talk less; your logic here doesn’t make much, if any, sense. While the articles on this site are quite informative, personal experience as well as shared experiences of others have no substitute.
I’ve been training seriously for four years, and I cannot even touch a 300lb bench (but honestly I couldn’t give two shits about bench training), nor can I deadlift 400lbs (which is by far my favorite lift); the answer to these problems, however, is not “just fucking eat”; neither is my lack of dedication to blame. I train 4-8 times per week (depending on the current program) intensely, using only free weights and 90% compound lifts; this however, does not mean I train wisely. Why have I made such little progress? I honestly believe I just haven’t figured out how I best respond. Eating more has not worked for me and working harder is not an option. I am not complaining about my genetic potential, my lack of growth, lack of supplement funds, lack of anything…
I don’t give a shit about how long this takes, it’s now my lifestyle and I believe, with patience, I will eventually understand myself that much better. However, if I so choose to ask a question of those more experienced than I, I would appreciate a response with due thought and consideration. I respect all your efforts and successes, but you can take your condescending attitudes and shove them up your collective ass.[/quote]
If you have been training seriously for 4 years… and cannot deadlift 400lbs, you better weigh in at about 100lbs… mkey? if not, shut the pie hole.
[quote]Adamsson wrote:
Trogdor wrote:
Honestly this thread is pointless, and the advice given about as meaningless. Many of you assume that if someone can not bench 300+ or squat 400+ than they should just eat more and talk less; your logic here doesn’t make much, if any, sense. While the articles on this site are quite informative, personal experience as well as shared experiences of others have no substitute.
I’ve been training seriously for four years, and I cannot even touch a 300lb bench (but honestly I couldn’t give two shits about bench training), nor can I deadlift 400lbs (which is by far my favorite lift); the answer to these problems, however, is not “just fucking eat”; neither is my lack of dedication to blame. I train 4-8 times per week (depending on the current program) intensely, using only free weights and 90% compound lifts; this however, does not mean I train wisely. Why have I made such little progress? I honestly believe I just haven’t figured out how I best respond. Eating more has not worked for me and working harder is not an option. I am not complaining about my genetic potential, my lack of growth, lack of supplement funds, lack of anything…
I don’t give a shit about how long this takes, it’s now my lifestyle and I believe, with patience, I will eventually understand myself that much better. However, if I so choose to ask a question of those more experienced than I, I would appreciate a response with due thought and consideration. I respect all your efforts and successes, but you can take your condescending attitudes and shove them up your collective ass.
If you have been training seriously for 4 years… and cannot deadlift 400lbs, you better weigh in at about 100lbs… mkey? if not, shut the pie hole. [/quote]
I hope you are joking because otherwise there is no hope of getting through to you neanderthal brains.
I came to this BODYBUILDING site as a 6’0" 155lb guy and posted pics. I got flamed a little but mostly got encouragement. Honestly, everything i needed to know is already covered in the archives so i didnt really need to post but it helped motivate me to get it out there and hear what people had to say. So i guess I am partially a guilty party in this thread.
Up until now I had been putting in a half assed effort and getting half assed results. I appreciate the kick in the ass from the vets on the forum. I wasnt called a pussy but i did get the JUST FUCKING EAT posts and what not. So I took the challenge. I started logging my workouts in a book and logging my food on fitday.com so now i know exactly what i lifted, how much i lifted, and if i SKIPPED a workout. I also know how much i ate and what the breakdown was.
I noticed that i was only actually averaging 3500 calories a day (even though i told everyone that i eat like a pig) and given the fact that i surf, play basketball, tennis, and ride bike. That wasnt nearly enough. Now I will not go to bed until i hit at least 4000 calories + and I am not not skipping any workouts. Big surprise… I am getting bigger and stronger. It may only be a pound or two a week but it is progress!! I may up it to 4500 calories minimum in a couple weeks as i seem to be handling the 4000 without a problem. And yes, it is hard for me to eat that much but i do it because thats what needs to be done to reach my goals. I have changed my lifestyle. I keep a jar of mixed nuts at my desk. Instead of a bowl of oatmeal for breakfast i eat a 5 egg omlette with a fruit smoothie and toast. Instead of going to bed hungry i eat a tuna sandwich or drink a milkshake right before i sleep. Its not rocket science.
On top of that, if i do run into a roadblock I can give these guys some solid data to work with so that they can help me figure out what is going wrong rather than just bitching that I am a hardgainer and am stuck staying skinny. It makes a lot more sense to say, “here are my workout logs and food logs for the last 6 months and here is my progress” (or lack of) rather than just posting that you cant gain weight and it sucks. Some people do have malabsorbtion or food intolerances but most of us just have lifestyles that keep us skinny and we dont realize that we have to change that lifestyle if we want to gain weight. So i guess i pretty much have to agree with the original poster.
[quote]HAPLOCK wrote:
I came to this BODYBUILDING site as a 6’0" 155lb guy and posted pics. I got flamed a little but mostly got encouragement. Honestly, everything i needed to know is already covered in the archives so i didnt really need to post but it helped motivate me to get it out there and hear what people had to say. So i guess I am partially a guilty party in this thread.
Up until now I had been putting in a half assed effort and getting half assed results. I appreciate the kick in the ass from the vets on the forum. I wasnt called a pussy but i did get the JUST FUCKING EAT posts and what not. So I took the challenge. I started logging my workouts in a book and logging my food on fitday.com so now i know exactly what i lifted, how much i lifted, and if i SKIPPED a workout. I also know how much i ate and what the breakdown was.
I noticed that i was only actually averaging 3500 calories a day (even though i told everyone that i eat like a pig) and given the fact that i surf, play basketball, tennis, and ride bike. That wasnt nearly enough. Now I will not go to bed until i hit at least 4000 calories + and I am not not skipping any workouts. Big surprise… I am getting bigger and stronger. It may only be a pound or two a week but it is progress!! I may up it to 4500 calories minimum in a couple weeks as i seem to be handling the 4000 without a problem. And yes, it is hard for me to eat that much but i do it because thats what needs to be done to reach my goals. I have changed my lifestyle. I keep a jar of mixed nuts at my desk. Instead of a bowl of oatmeal for breakfast i eat a 5 egg omlette with a fruit smoothie and toast. Instead of going to bed hungry i eat a tuna sandwich or drink a milkshake right before i sleep. Its not rocket science.
On top of that, if i do run into a roadblock I can give these guys some solid data to work with so that they can help me figure out what is going wrong rather than just bitching that I am a hardgainer and am stuck staying skinny. It makes a lot more sense to say, “here are my workout logs and food logs for the last 6 months and here is my progress” (or lack of) rather than just posting that you cant gain weight and it sucks. Some people do have malabsorbtion or food intolerances but most of us just have lifestyles that keep us skinny and we dont realize that we have to change that lifestyle if we want to gain weight. So i guess i pretty much have to agree with the original poster. [/quote]
Guys! No matter what I do, I can’t seem to gain abs muscles. I do 200 crunches EVERY day. I’m 12 yaers old, 5’2, 83lbs. I just came up on a bulking cycle from 74lbs, should I get a gym membership and cut? Or just bulk and workout at home with my broom?
[quote]BIGRAGOO wrote:
kellyc wrote:
Holy shit. I’m responding after only reading about the first ten posts and based on those posts, this thread should actually be called “Revenge of the Fatsos” or “Let the Fatsos be heard”. Something like that.
What a bunch of ignorant shits.
No, it’s hate on skinny, lazy, know it all fucks. There hasn’t been a fat poster in this thread. Just more serious lifters that are tired of reading the same stupid shit from the same type of people. [/quote]
mkey? if not, shut the pie hole.