[quote]Trogdor wrote:
I have a terrible case of mangina.[/quote]
That is a shame.
I hope it clears up before menopause.
[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
It’s fucking hard for people predisposed to being skinny.
Everyone pats the fatass who loses 50lbs on the back.
But no one tells the skinny guy who bulked from 120-155 that he did a damn good job.
They tell him he’s still a skinny shit.
Lots of skinny kids try, I know I sucked at bulking for a long time, I’m currently putting on weight pretty well right now.
You have to eat an assload of food, and shitty food at that, to get enough calories.
I don’t wanna hear about how bad McDonald’s or Burger King is for me, cause there’s no goddamn way I’m meeting my caloric needs without them.
And that goes for any skinny kid.
My 2 cheesburgers.[/quote]
I fail to see the problem. You started eating more. You now claim to be gaining well. You are also wrong about people not being told they are doing well if they make gains and put their heart into it. That’s bullshit and you know it. If, however, some guy trained for a whole year and only gained 3-5lbs, in spite of being a beginner, he will be told that he did something wrong. The problem there is…what?
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
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I don’t get why you’ve gotta bag out people that whinge about their progress. Maybe they seek advice from Champion bodybuilders like yourself.
I’ve been a long time reader, but only started posting today and I reckon you guys are too harsh on people who are seeking advice.[/quote]
That’s because none of the new guys asking questions seem to fucking read. Its as if somehow, people are discovering this site on the sole criteria that it is a forum, and are unaware that this site has many, many years of articles and information. Rarely do you see people who ask new questions while at the same time listing what strategies they have implemented that have failed. People don’t know how much they eat, train haphazardly and set preconceived limits on theirselves because they think if they try to lift like a bodybuilder they’ll become a bloated muscular pig.
Time and time again, people use someone well developed as an example of what they want to look like, as if that person didn’t bust their ass for years, and lift heavy for years, and eat enough to support muscle growth for years, to get that way. I think there is a huge misconception of what is big here; people seem to think of extremes. You have guys who think the 220lb ripped linebacker physique is somehow more attainable and less difficult to achieve than the 290lb bodybuilder; both require ridiculous intensity.
I don’t know if its the layout of the site or what, but it seems as if the forums are the center of everything when really, people should read, learn, and lift. Everyone seems to think they are a minority and need special attention when in reality, I think they just don’t understand the time and dedication it takes to achieve above average muscularity.
I sure would like to see some questions raised by people who have implemented programs, counted calories, and ran into roadblocks, instead of asking “How can I get cut?”
Oh well, people will always want to be spoonfed the secrets; unfortunately, there are none.
[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
It’s fucking hard for people predisposed to being skinny.
Everyone pats the fatass who loses 50lbs on the back.
But no one tells the skinny guy who bulked from 120-155 that he did a damn good job.
They tell him he’s still a skinny shit.
Lots of skinny kids try, I know I sucked at bulking for a long time, I’m currently putting on weight pretty well right now.
You have to eat an assload of food, and shitty food at that, to get enough calories.
I don’t wanna hear about how bad McDonald’s or Burger King is for me, cause there’s no goddamn way I’m meeting my caloric needs without them.
And that goes for any skinny kid.
My 2 cheesburgers.[/quote]
how can you suck at bulking? its like the easyest thing in the world. you eat more food than you were eating before. now you are gaining weight. you need to eat badly to make your calories? how many calories are you taking in right now. because its rpetty easy to take in 5000 calories or so of healthy food per day
[quote]redsox348984 wrote:
you have to understand the reason a lot of these guys are so harsh is because they’ve had to deal with pretty much the same posts over and over every week. hearing people complain and saying they are doing everything right when they are really not and arguing back.[/quote]
Fair point. Just don’t touch those threads. Leave them alone and they will make their way down the order and into the pages that nobody goes to anymore.
The threads that generate the most interest are ones where a skinny guy puts his pic up and all the bodybuilders in here jump on their back and tell them how wrong they were to post!
I don’t get what the issue is here…
I have yet to ever see anybody on here tell somebody that they should just give up. Or that they are just a worthless skinny piece of shit who has no hope. Or that if they’re not currently benching 300 pounds they’re a massive vagina of a man.
Everything, no matter what the tone, has always been to the effect of “if you want to make progress, you need to do this instead of that”
What the fuck is wrong with that? It’s called advice, and telling people who are skinny and are struggling to gain size and strength to lift with more intensity and eat more food is good fucking advice.
Why are people suddenly so complacent and resistant to advice? It’s not like the “experienced” lifters on this board are sitting around twisting our mustaches thinking of ways to sabotage newbie’s progress…
The guy who is 160 lbs always knows better than you though. ‘Try training 3 times a week on heavy compound exercises’ rest more, and eat more, someone says…
"Oh I’m doing Don Raspberries, Battle muscles for clown pussies workout…and its working. "
I’m doing the almighty eating programme by keith donut.
As Zappa said, ‘SHut up and play yer guitar’ or in this case, your barbell and hamburger.
for some big strong guys, and slightly smaller ones like myself, we seem to bicker and bitch a lot as a community…holy shit…!!..come on guys, we all lift the same weights day in and day out and put in an amount of work relative to our lifestyles…its a matter of degree…how it fits in to and how it ranks in each others lifestyles…im sure some thin guys like myself place more value on other things besides training and are much better at that, but dont call other people ‘pussies’ for not being the same…
im not being argumentative…just giving my .02 like always =P
[quote]Stiggy wrote:
The guy who is 160 lbs always knows better than you though. ‘Try training 3 times a week on heavy compound exercises’ rest more, and eat more, someone says…
"Oh I’m doing Don Raspberries, Battle muscles for clown pussies workout…and its working. "
I’m doing the almighty eating programme by keith donut.
As Zappa said, ‘SHut up and play yer guitar’ or in this case, your barbell and hamburger.
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lol i found that really funny
You know when you eating that 2kg family trifle or 8 hamburgers at macca d’s ? Well some people can’t do that. They never get that thing where you eat loads and then think ‘maybe I overdid it’, they are kind of like taking a few bites and feeling real full and sleepy.
Maybe I’ll be politically incorrect and say bodybuilding is not for everyone. But closer to the truth would be, if you can’t eat and can’t be arsed to train, or at least take advice, then it certainly ain’t for you.
Think of it like this…if some people’s idea of eating loads doesn’t amount to much in your eyes…that is probably happening in their training too.
[quote]Bauer97 wrote:
I don’t get what the issue is here…
I have yet to ever see anybody on here tell somebody that they should just give up. Or that they are just a worthless skinny piece of shit who has no hope. Or that if they’re not currently benching 300 pounds they’re a massive vagina of a man.
Everything, no matter what the tone, has always been to the effect of “if you want to make progress, you need to do this instead of that”
What the fuck is wrong with that? It’s called advice, and telling people who are skinny and are struggling to gain size and strength to lift with more intensity and eat more food is good fucking advice.
Why are people suddenly so complacent and resistant to advice? It’s not like the “experienced” lifters on this board are sitting around twisting our mustaches thinking of ways to sabotage newbie’s progress…
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you make a very good point. some advice given may be considered harsh by some but if listened to would help out the person. ive always found that some harsh advice is better than being nice about it because it helps more with motivation. but thats just my oppinion
[quote]NewDamage wrote:
I sure would like to see some questions raised by people who have implemented programs, counted calories, and ran into roadblocks, instead of asking “How can I get cut?”
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Guys like Gottatrain, Caveman and etc have all posted stuff like that. Cavemans “grateful” thread was the best one this site has seen.
Yet the guy still had baggers. If that guy gets shit hung on him, who wouldn’t. I could see Tom Platz posting and someone saying, your quads are out of proportion to your body.
The people on this site love it when Kid Rock style physiques post. It gives them a chance to bag the shit out of some misguided kid.
More’s the point really, lack of progress = lack of effort. I’ve given music lessons to people who expect to play like Yngwie Malmsteen after the first month, without putting any effort in even in that short time.
Society has taught people that shortcuts are a way of life. Unfortunately anything worth having these days still requires periods of sustained effort, dedication and concentration.
[quote]Trogdor wrote:
Honestly this thread is pointless, and the advice given about as meaningless. Many of you assume that if someone can not bench 300+ or squat 400+ than they should just eat more and talk less; your logic here doesn’t make much, if any, sense. While the articles on this site are quite informative, personal experience as well as shared experiences of others have no substitute.
I’ve been training seriously for four years, and I cannot even touch a 300lb bench (but honestly I couldn’t give two shits about bench training), nor can I deadlift 400lbs (which is by far my favorite lift); the answer to these problems, however, is not “just fucking eat”; neither is my lack of dedication to blame. I train 4-8 times per week (depending on the current program) intensely, using only free weights and 90% compound lifts; this however, does not mean I train wisely. Why have I made such little progress? I honestly believe I just haven’t figured out how I best respond. Eating more has not worked for me and working harder is not an option. I am not complaining about my genetic potential, my lack of growth, lack of supplement funds, lack of anything…
I don’t give a shit about how long this takes, it’s now my lifestyle and I believe, with patience, I will eventually understand myself that much better. However, if I so choose to ask a question of those more experienced than I, I would appreciate a response with due thought and consideration. I respect all your efforts and successes, but you can take your condescending attitudes and shove them up your collective ass.[/quote]
Well I give you some credit for standing up to the masses… but at the same time, you mention that you don’t train wisely and that you’ve been training for 4 years. If working harder is not an option, what about working more efficiently?
You also mention that you’ve eaten more, and that it hasn’t worked. Did you give your body enough time to adapt, or did you just pile on extra calories?
If what you are doing hasn’t worked for you in 4 years… it’s time to change it.
~V
[quote]Trogdor wrote:
I’ve been training seriously for four years, and I cannot even touch a 300lb bench (but honestly I couldn’t give two shits about bench training), nor can I deadlift 400lbs (which is by far my favorite lift); the answer to these problems, however, is not “just fucking eat”; neither is my lack of dedication to blame. I train 4-8 times per week (depending on the current program) intensely, using only free weights and 90% compound lifts; this however, does not mean I train wisely. Why have I made such little progress? I honestly believe I just haven’t figured out how I best respond. Eating more has not worked for me and working harder is not an option. I am not complaining about my genetic potential, my lack of growth, lack of supplement funds, lack of anything…
I don’t give a shit about how long this takes, it’s now my lifestyle and I believe, with patience, I will eventually understand myself that much better. However, if I so choose to ask a question of those more experienced than I, I would appreciate a response with due thought and consideration. I respect all your efforts and successes, but you can take your condescending attitudes and shove them up your collective ass.[/quote]
You just said you haven’t been training wisely. That’s the point. I believe strength is a great barometer of progress for most trainers. If you’re getting stronger month by month then you’re doing something right. If you’re not then what you’re doing isnt’t working and you need to change. I happen to think the squat and deadlift for sure are good indicators for most people and then a bench press or overhead press, but to each their own.
If you’re purely an aesthetics lifter, then you can still make progress, your indicators are just different. Maybe you need to use a tape or photos or what not to gauge progress month by month. I don’t know or care what your goals or aspirations are, by the way, so I don’t look down on them.
The point I mainly wanted to get across is that people need to measure and observe what they’re doing and attack their weaknesses. If you’ve been making good progress towards your goals but haven’t met my arbitrary standards, then fuck me and my opinion, you’ve still been making progress, and I respect that. My post was aimed at people who aren’t using any indicator whatsoever and aren’t making any progress and seem confused or unhappy about it.
I hope this post shows more “due thought and consideration” and is more to your liking.
Sincerely,
Conor
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
NewDamage wrote:
I sure would like to see some questions raised by people who have implemented programs, counted calories, and ran into roadblocks, instead of asking “How can I get cut?”
Guys like Gottatrain, Caveman and etc have all posted stuff like that. Cavemans “grateful” thread was the best one this site has seen.
Yet the guy still had baggers. If that guy gets shit hung on him, who wouldn’t. I could see Tom Platz posting and someone saying, your quads are out of proportion to your body.
The people on this site love it when Kid Rock style physiques post. It gives them a chance to bag the shit out of some misguided kid.[/quote]
When Caveman posted, people were not used to see people with proper muscle and they thought it was someone dicking about !
[quote]redsox348984 wrote:
how can you suck at bulking? its like the easyest thing in the world. you eat more food than you were eating before. now you are gaining weight. you need to eat badly to make your calories? how many calories are you taking in right now. because its rpetty easy to take in 5000 calories or so of healthy food per day[/quote]
I can bulk now that I’m 37. When I was a teen, I was skinny. My caloric intake was high and I ate so much fat (bad fat) I would often have farts that were oily… What a great sensation that was. My digestive tract literally could not process all the fat intake.
This is playing devil’s advocate. Some people do have a hard time bulking. That having been said. Prof does mention “consistency” often. The newbs do need to learn consistency in workouts and eating. When I was a teen, if I had added 2-3 meals per day and consistently ate that way, I might have been able to gain weight.
[quote]Stiggy wrote:
When Caveman posted, people were not used to see people with proper muscle and they thought it was someone dicking about ![/quote]
So why post then? People got on his back for posting when he looked 10/10. Comments like, “Why are you posting? Are you bragging?” make this all fucking ridiculous.
There are always masses on this site who will pay out on you one way or another. Either your too skinny, too fat or look too good to be posting.
Let’s be honest. We love the keyboard wars!
Leave the guy alone, some people are just genetically predisposed to not gain muscle.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
Stiggy wrote:
When Caveman posted, people were not used to see people with proper muscle and they thought it was someone dicking about !
So why post then? People got on his back for posting when he looked 10/10. Comments like, “Why are you posting? Are you bragging?” make this all fucking ridiculous.
There are always masses on this site who will pay out on you one way or another. Either your too skinny, too fat or look too good to be posting.
Let’s be honest. We love the keyboard wars![/quote]
I think the appearance debate is all subjective. True, I can see where Caveman’s progress would be seen as “too good to be true” but he’s definitely an inspiration! He’s got his act together, and the proof is in the pudding.
I think everyone on this site, for the most part, is observant enough and kind enough to put in motivational words for good progress. If someone is doing something wrong, they call them on it… and I think that’s good to put them on track. If they don’t like the comments they get here… then post pics somewhere else.
~V