Why Can't I Gain Muscle?

To everyone else:

Yes, that is the article I’m talking about. Thanks Mike for digging it up.

I am, in fact, assuming a more or less equal distribution among the types, which I mentioned the first time I brought the article up. So yes, 2 out of 5 gives us 40%.

It’s true that CP doesn’t specifically say 40%. On the other hand, he doesn’t give ANY percentage, and in my experience 40% would be about right.

Before PGA goes off again and says I’m claiming something I’m not, let me be clear about what I am and am not saying on this thread:

I am NOT claiming that 40% (or any percentage) of all people cannot gain any muscle no matter what they do. That would be ridiculous. What I AM saying is that for a sizeable percentage of the general population, expecially those past the newbie stages, if they’re not gaining the answer lies somewhere other than “You’re being a pussy”.

I will also say that there is a LARGE difference between individuals in terms of how easily they will put on muscle. And it always makes me suspicious when someone says “It’s easy! All you have to do is X”, X inevitably being based on their own personal case, or maybe themselves and a couple of their friends. A lot of people have to do everything exactly right in order to see progress, “everything” being more than just training hard and eating right.

As I’ve said before on this thread, a lot of people who don’t gain ARE being pussies. No doubt about it. But when someone claims that EVERYONE who isn’t gaining is being a pussy, then no, I disagree.

i’m not reading any more of this thread

all i know is that if I can gain muscle, YOU can gain muscle

what if your 13 wheigh only 115 pounds and can bench 125. Is that good?

[quote]conorh wrote:
If you are an adult male human and can’t bench more then 315, squat more then 405 and pull more then 495 then your smallness is no mystery.

Also, don’t complain about having spagetti arms if you think curling the 50 pound 'bells is good. It isn’t.

Really, this applies to any workout method, exercises, whatever, if you’re not getting stronger month by month YOU ARE WRONG. Correct yourself.

FACT: If you are small, you are probably weak too.[/quote]

well im 5’3 13 years old weigh 115 and can bench 125 almost 130 ? does that make me weak

[quote]tow wrote:
what if your 13 wheigh only 115 pounds and can bench 125. Is that good?[/quote]

Kid, what the hell are you doing up at this time of night? People don’t even count as real human beings until they can drive AND vote. Go to bed.

@ Michael: I wasn’t attacking you at all - just hoping to dear god that an author wasn’t being quoted so horribly out of context.

[quote]char-dawg wrote:
To everyone else:

Yes, that is the article I’m talking about. Thanks Mike for digging it up.

I am, in fact, assuming a more or less equal distribution among the types, which I mentioned the first time I brought the article up. So yes, 2 out of 5 gives us 40%.

It’s true that CP doesn’t specifically say 40%. On the other hand, he doesn’t give ANY percentage, and in my experience 40% would be about right.[/quote]

Dear God.

it’s me again

Last time I posted in this thread was a year ago and guess what?

things havent improved and I’m still lifting the same on every lift more or less.

I thought my diet was pretty good but I decided to get a pro to look at it and I paid for his services for a period of 8 weeks. He changed things slightly - upped the cals but that just resulted in fat gain, so cals had to be reduced.

I then had an trainer design a routine for me, I felt overtrained on that and felt that the guy who designed it didnt understand how much of a hardgainer I am, so I then paid for another online trainer who does know what he’s doing, I’m currently still with him and been with him for 6 months and still no improvement.

I’ve just started a cut so will have to wait a while before seeing how the new routine he has me on will work out - it’s VERY abreviated; I only started this a week before my cut - fat levels were unacceptably high, so havent really had a chance to see how this new routine will work out under normal training conditions (above maintainence calories) While I’ve been a client of his he has had me on 2 other routines that didn’t work.

I have had SHBG levels checked and Testosterone levels checked as well as my thyroid and they all seem fine but I’m thinking about having every other test done that is avilable - Cortisol, IGF, Estrogen, Insulin etc - I need to get to the bottom of this. Maybe I just have stupidly high myostatin levels?

I’m going to try some supplements that may be benefit the CNS (DMAE, Lecithin, L-Tyrosine) hopefully they may improve things slightly.

[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
I then paid for another online trainer who does know what he’s doing, I’m currently still with him and been with him for 6 months and still no improvement.[/quote]

If you have not made any gains in six months, what makes you believe the trainer you hired “does know what he’s doing”?

[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
it’s me again

Last time I posted in this thread was a year ago and guess what?

things havent improved and I’m still lifting the same on every lift more or less.
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And you wonder why you aren’t gaining muscle. Perhaps no one has ever explained this to you, but muscular hypertrophy is a response to a physiological NEED, not a psychological want.

You also have to understand that the body doesn’t want to put on muscle (except perhaps in rare individuals). Muscle is a very metabolically costly tissue and your body is more concerned with efficiency and survival than how you look.

If there isn’t a glaring need for your body to increase the size of it’s contractile tissues (which is a response to being exposed to higher and higher force requirements) then it won’t.

Even performing absolutely no exercise the body will increase lean mass if there is weight gain, according to Berardi. Yes, it will be a smaller percentage of the weight gained, but it will happen.

It seems so far that the reason why you experience the majority of weight gain in the form of adipose tissue is that you aren’t providing your body with an adequate stimulus for building muscle. Therefore, the majority of excess calories are being stored as fat.

You felt overtrained? As in what? What were your symptoms?

Also, if you’ve been with this online trainer for 6 months and have made no improvements (even in terms of strength) then I’d have to disagree that this person knows what they’re doing.

I have never had a client who made no improvement in 6 months. In fact, it shouldn’t even be possible. The progressions should be built into the program and the client just does it. Some people whine about it being hard, or that they “don’t think they can do it”. But they end up doing it, and if they have the guts to continue training hard and consistently they make noticeable gains.

Dear God why? Did your doctor tell you that you were morbidly obese and that if you didn’t lose body fat you were in serious risk for Diabetes or heart disease? Because quite honestly, at 5’9" 160 lbs (which were the last stats you gave), you are not in any way shape or form anywhere even resembling obese.

It seems to me like you have a real problem with consistency and effort. Now, I realize that you’ve stated numerous times in the past that you train hard. But, to be perfectly honest, if you haven’t increased the amount of weight that you are lifting in the past year, then you can’t be training all that hard.

You should be lifting more weight on at least one exercise per body part every workout or at least lifting the same weight more times. Period. No excuses, just do it. I don’t care if you have to do forced reps, negative only reps, whatever. Just do more weight or more reps every single workout.

Either that of you are changing routines so often that you never give your body a chance to adapt to the exercises. Or you are completely clueless as to the process of muscle growth and are messing up on a key factor (rest, recovery, etc…).

[quote]
I have had SHBG levels checked and Testosterone levels checked as well as my thyroid and they all seem fine but I’m thinking about having every other test done that is avilable - Cortisol, IGF, Estrogen, Insulin etc - I need to get to the bottom of this. Maybe I just have stupidly high myostatin levels?

I’m going to try some supplements that may be benefit the CNS (DMAE, Lecithin, L-Tyrosine) hopefully they may improve things slightly.[/quote]

I’m glad that your tests came out negative (normal). But, honestly reading back through your posts I don’t think there is something physiologically wrong with you. It seems more of a case of you simply not providing your muscles with an adequate hypertrophy stimulus.

My suggestion to you would be to forget about the cut. Keep your calories where they are and get in the gym. Make absolutely sure that you lift more weight or the same amount of weight more times each and every workout. Every forth or fifth week take a back off week (or a week off depending on how you feel). Then come back the next week and improve on your last performance.

I know this may sound redundant and that others may have already given you similar advice, but you don’t seem to have put that advice into practice thus far. I know this sounds difficult, and heck it is, no one ever said that this would be easy, but you need to just bear down and do it. Don’t make excuses. Just do it.

As the old saying goes. “if you get good at making excuses, it’s hard to get good at anything else.”

Good luck and good training,

Sentoguy

Hey Guys, not to bust your balls here, but positive reinforcement would be nice. I’m 5’9 only 175lbs at about 16-18% bf and I know I’m not ‘big’, or ‘huge’; but im definetly not a pussy. I have learnt a lot on this site in the couple months ive been a regular because the feed back ive gotten has been positive. So instead of calling everyone who asks a repetive question a ‘pussy’, direct them to the right place. Everyone started somewhere, you did too.

props to sentoguy for being gangster cool

[quote]glenmowen wrote:
Hey Guys, not to bust your balls here, but positive reinforcement would be nice. I’m 5’9 only 175lbs at about 16-18% bf and I know I’m not ‘big’, or ‘huge’; but im definetly not a pussy. I have learnt a lot on this site in the couple months ive been a regular because the feed back ive gotten has been positive. So instead of calling everyone who asks a repetive question a ‘pussy’, direct them to the right place. Everyone started somewhere, you did too.

props to sentoguy for being gangster cool[/quote]

Hey glen,

LOL. Thanks.

I don’t think that anyone here is faulting Wannabe (or anyone for that matter) for being a beginner. Yes, we’ve all been there at some point.

What people get upset about is when you have beginners who admit to being beginners, but then don’t take the advice of more advanced trainees; as if the beginner already knows all the answers. People who claim to be doing everything “perfectly” yet not seeing any results.

Well, guess what, the definition of perfection is “the state of being without a flaw or defect.” Now, call me crazy but I would consider not producing results to be a serious flaw in a program (either dietary or resistance training). Therefore, it is impossible for someone to be doing everything “perfectly” and not getting results.

People try to point out areas where they notice potential flaws in said poster’s diet/routine, to which said poster replies “but I already know how to do those things and am doing them correctly.” Once again, if your training/diet isn’t getting you results, then maybe, just maybe, you don’t know as much about those things as you think. Maybe you should try following the advice of those trying to help you instead of coming up with excuses why their advice won’t work for you.

Now in Wannabe’s situation if he had never gained any muscle or strength, then perhaps I might buy into him having a medical condition. But, he has. He has gained muscle and strength in the past, so there is no reason to believe that he can’t continue to do so.

Am I saying that he shouldn’t experiment with different training protocols, or dietary plans, or supplements? No. If he wants to play with a strength building plan like CP’s 1-6 principle for a month or so, then go for it (I say a month because it is extremely CNS intensive and shouldn’t be used for extended periods).

If he wants to play with different frequencies of training (recovery periods), then go right ahead (but once again he should stick with the program for long enough to give it an honest chance). If he wants to try some dietary enzyme supplementation, then heck, why not?

I don’t think that he should drop below maintenance calories however. And to be perfectly honest, if his goal is weight gain (which will manifest in the form of both muscle and adipose tissue), then he would be better off keeping his calories at slightly above maintenance.

Finally, in regards to newbies who actually take advice, apply it and become more advanced, they have always gained the respect of other lifters on this site, because that takes real guts, determination and last but not least, humility. They are also the ones who will continue to grow/progress and will eventually become advanced.

Ask anyone here (prof x, Mad Titan, Am Animal, etc…) if they “knew how to do everything perfectly” when they first started and I’m certain that they will admit that they didn’t. They learned, both from experience and from listening to people more advanced than themselves, as they went and eventually worked out what works well for them thus allowing them to reach a high level of proficiency.

When someone who has actually achieved the goal that you are striving for offers you some advice on how to reach it, you should listen. They’ve been where you are now, but you haven’t been where they are. They’ve walked that road that you’re on and might be trying to show you the way.

Good training,

Sentoguy

[quote]Trogdor wrote:
Honestly this thread is pointless, and the advice given about as meaningless. Many of you assume that if someone can not bench 300+ or squat 400+ than they should just eat more and talk less; your logic here doesn’t make much, if any, sense. While the articles on this site are quite informative, personal experience as well as shared experiences of others have no substitute.

I’ve been training seriously for four years, and I cannot even touch a 300lb bench (but honestly I couldn’t give two shits about bench training), nor can I deadlift 400lbs (which is by far my favorite lift); the answer to these problems, however, is not “just fucking eat”; neither is my lack of dedication to blame. I train 4-8 times per week (depending on the current program) intensely, using only free weights and 90% compound lifts; this however, does not mean I train wisely. Why have I made such little progress? I honestly believe I just haven’t figured out how I best respond. Eating more has not worked for me and working harder is not an option. I am not complaining about my genetic potential, my lack of growth, lack of supplement funds, lack of anything…
I don’t give a shit about how long this takes, it’s now my lifestyle and I believe, with patience, I will eventually understand myself that much better. However, if I so choose to ask a question of those more experienced than I, I would appreciate a response with due thought and consideration. I respect all your efforts and successes, but you can take your condescending attitudes and shove them up your collective ass.[/quote]

This is Testosterone-Nation not THOUGHT-Nation wtf?

It seems to me like you have a real problem with consistency and effort. Now, I realize that you’ve stated numerous times in the past that you train hard. But, to be perfectly honest, if you haven’t increased the amount of weight that you are lifting in the past year, then you can’t be training all that hard.

You should be lifting more weight on at least one exercise per body part every workout or at least lifting the same weight more times. Period. No excuses, just do it. I don’t care if you have to do forced reps, negative only reps, whatever. Just do more weight or more reps every single workout.

Either that of you are changing routines so often that you never give your body a chance to adapt to the exercises. Or you are completely clueless as to the process of muscle growth and are messing up on a key factor (rest, recovery, etc…).


I will get back to this but I’m pushed for time at the moment.

you question my Consistency and effort - I’m so dedicated to this, I never miss a meal, a workout, I don’t drink alcohol, I make sure everything is on order, I’ve been following the routines set out for me EXACTLY how it was meant to be, so what more can I do?

I try and increase the weight each week, or add reps and it just doesnt happen, I bust my balls trying to do it, but leave the gym, angry and frustrated that I couldn’t increase the weight or reps.

it upsets me when people say I aint trying - that might sound like a pussy thing to say but that’s the way it is, I’ve try so fckin hard and I’m being totally honest when I say that.

I know all about rest and recovery etc.

Anyway, I’ll get back to the rest of your post tomorrow.

Tell us exactly what you are eating right now and exactly how you are training. Be as specific as possible.

[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
it upsets me when people say I aint trying - that might sound like a pussy thing to say but that’s the way it is, I’ve try so fckin hard and I’m being totally honest when I say that. [/quote]

You could just have really shitty genetics. There are people who can’t grow. It’s just a basic law of human diversity. You might be at the wrong end of the bell curve.

OMG … Sentoguy meets WannabeBig - this is classic.

[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
I try and increase the weight each week, or add reps and it just doesnt happen, I bust my balls trying to do it, but leave the gym, angry and frustrated that I couldn’t increase the weight or reps.
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There is no “try”, there is only “do”.

wannabebig I do think you are a special case, but I think your problem is psychological. I think if someone sneakily put 5lbs more on the bar, and you didn’t know about it, you’d get the same reps with what you thought was the same weight as last time.

How much weight are you adding to the bar each time? Maybe it is waaay too much.

I think you should start a log thread, and tell us exactly what you are doing.

And you probably need to get fat, too, real fat.

[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
It seems to me like you have a real problem with consistency and effort. Now, I realize that you’ve stated numerous times in the past that you train hard. But, to be perfectly honest, if you haven’t increased the amount of weight that you are lifting in the past year, then you can’t be training all that hard.

You should be lifting more weight on at least one exercise per body part every workout or at least lifting the same weight more times. Period. No excuses, just do it. I don’t care if you have to do forced reps, negative only reps, whatever. Just do more weight or more reps every single workout.

Either that of you are changing routines so often that you never give your body a chance to adapt to the exercises. Or you are completely clueless as to the process of muscle growth and are messing up on a key factor (rest, recovery, etc…).


I will get back to this but I’m pushed for time at the moment.

you question my Consistency and effort - I’m so dedicated to this, I never miss a meal, a workout, I don’t drink alcohol, I make sure everything is on order, I’ve been following the routines set out for me EXACTLY how it was meant to be, so what more can I do?

I try and increase the weight each week, or add reps and it just doesnt happen, I bust my balls trying to do it, but leave the gym, angry and frustrated that I couldn’t increase the weight or reps.

it upsets me when people say I aint trying - that might sound like a pussy thing to say but that’s the way it is, I’ve try so fckin hard and I’m being totally honest when I say that.

I know all about rest and recovery etc.

Anyway, I’ll get back to the rest of your post tomorrow.

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WannabeBig,

I’m not sure if you missed when I said that you could try forced reps, or negatives, or rest-pause, etc… Using those tools there is NO WAY that you can’t perform at least more reps with the same weight. Period. Heck, you could even do more sets.

You may be right that you can’t increase weight every workout, but you need to at least expose your muscles to a greater stimulus. Utilizing forced reps, negatives, etc… allows you to overload your muscles, even if you aren’t necessarily getting more consecutive reps, or adding weight. Or, heck you could even try a progression by density (meaning you’d lift the same weight, for the same reps, but in less total time).

And I’m sorry if I have a hard time believing that you are really trying to lift more weight each workout, or the same weight more times. Because quite honestly, I’ve never, ever seen someone who couldn’t do the above (even if it meant using one of the above mentioned methods, or lowering reps with more weight), that is if they were eating enough for recovery and adaptation to take place and allowing for enough time between workouts to fully recover (which I would monitor and adjust accordingly).

And to the best of my knowledge, none of my clients have ever been on AAS, which you mentioned you were (which should mean that your recovery abilities should be above, or at least at normal levels).

You say that you’ve been following the routines set out for your “exactly” how it was meant to be. So, are you saying that the routine doesn’t have a built in progression? Or are you saying that you haven’t actually been doing the routines as they are set out for you?

If it’s the former, then once again, your trainer doesn’t seem to know what they’re doing. If it’s the later, then you obviously aren’t doing the routines exactly as written, are you? That’s one of the problems that I see with an online trainer, they aren’t actually there with you while you perform the workout, so they can’t actually make sure that you are doing what they tell you. They also can’t give you “on the fly” advice, or little tricks that you can use to accomplish the goals of the workout.

You also mentioned that you understand rest and recovery, which is good. But, if you are having a hard time increasing load/reps on your subsequent workouts, then perhaps you aren’t giving your body enough time to recover.

If in fact you do have as hard of a time putting on muscle as you have suggested, then perhaps you also have extremely slow recovery abilities. What is enough time for your brother (or another lifter) to recover and grow, might not be enough time for you. Have you experimented with different recovery periods? Like say, only working out every third day, and still following a body part split? Meaning that you’d only work out each body part once every 12 days?

How much sleep do you get? Do you take a multivitamin supplement? What do you do for work? Also, when was the last time that you took a backoff/deloading/rest week?

Please understand that I’m not trying to be a dick, and although my advice may seem harsh from time to time, it seems like what you need to hear. As several people have already stated, there are mental barriers that must be overcome the same as their are physical ones. Making up excuses of why you didn’t do what you set out to do is not a good habit to get into and will sabotage your progress.

It also seems like you have a very limited knowledge of weight training methodologies, tools and how to utilize them effectively. Luckily you have a great resource in this website (and I’m sure that you can find others as well) from which to learn more.

In closing, I once again suggest that you increase load or reps every workout out, no if’s ands or buts about it. There is absolutely no reason why that shouldn’t be possible. Period.

Good training,

Sentoguy

[quote]Magarhe wrote:
OMG … Sentoguy meets WannabeBig - this is classic.[/quote]

LOL.

If I have very sluggish recovery abilities and from what I’ve read, most hardgainers do, then surely what you desrcibe in the above wouldn’t be very useful for someone in my positiion?

I’ve tried DC training and that was probably the worst type of training i’ve ever experienced. I’m not sure how often you suggest using forced reps, rest pause etc? but if I have a shitty CNS then that type of training will really screw with it, won’t it?

I’ve had a bodybuilding nutritionsit look at my diet and I gain fat on ridiculously low calories, my online trainer had a look at my diet, was happy with the content but upped the cals but he soon realised that I couldn’t hack the increase in cals so the cals were dropped.

[quote]And to the best of my knowledge, none of my clients have ever been on AAS, which you mentioned you were (which should mean that your recovery abilities should be above, or at least at normal levels).
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my abilities should be above or at least normal? you mean when I’m ‘on’ gear? I havent used for 8-9 months now, I’m training naturally until I find out what the problem is.

When on Tren + dbol, my strength did go up, I was actually able to increase the weight every consecutive workout for about 5 or 6 weeks, but the cycle ended, PCT went and so did he strength gains and I’m now once again lifting what i lifted prior to the Tren cycle.

I started off using 500mgs of Test E/Sus a week, didnt even gain any strength on those so have been as high as 1750mgs test E/Sus/week and didn’t gain any strength whatsoever (apart from fat) and yes, my gear was genuine. the only steroids I did gain from was the dbol and tren stack. (I may have repeated myself here, apologies if so)

The routines have been set out for me and I am supposed to increase the weight or add reps or both each session - something that for the majority of the time I have tried but just failed at pullimg off.

[quote]How much sleep do you get? Do you take a multivitamin supplement? What do you do for work? Also, when was the last time that you took a backoff/deloading/rest week?
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I get 8-9 hours sleep a night, or at least that’s what I aim for. sometimes it takes me a while to get to sleep but I’m addresing that problem right now, it’s nothing major, every now and then I just have difficulty nodding off. I take Taurine, Multivits, vit C. the last time I had a rest was a couple of months ago. I tried CEE but I couldn’t stop pissing so had to drop it.

I admit, I don’t know as much as some people do, I have been reading this site for a few years, I don’t do much posting but do read and I have tried a few of Chad Waterbury’s routines, periodization routines, 5x5 bill star, anthony ellis’ program, DC training, drop sets, super sets, less minutes between sets, more, high reps, low reps - I’ve tried quite a few and nothing has worked.

there has to be more to it than me not understanding or knowing what and how to execute it - it’s not exactly rocket science.

I appreciate your help mate, but I’m convinced that there’s more to it than not training correctly, I reckon I’ve gained 5lbs of muscle in 7 years of training, it could even be less than that.