Why Can't I Gain Muscle?

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[quote]redsox348984 wrote:
if you can honestly say you have put on weight, yet you didnt get any bigger or staonger while putting on weight, id say maybe you are overtraining yourself. do you take back off weeks or ever take a week off?[/quote]

Ive tried over training, undertraining, high intensity, low intensity, periodozation training, volume training, some of chads routines, 5x5, 3x8, 4x6, different rep ranges, training to failure alot, never training to failure, training to failure a bit… I dont know what to try next… I give the routines 3-4 months to see how I progress, but I never really see results that make me think “wow, that was pretty good”

I’ve been training 6 years, only benching 154lbs. after a couple of years of making hardly any progress, I decided to shove my head right into bodybuilding, really get myself aquainted with it, fill my head with knowledge so I could pin point where I was going wrong.

firstly I concentreted on nutrition, so I read a couple of books on nutrition aimed at the sporting/bodybuilding person. took me a while to adjust my diet and Ive played around with the food ratios for a long while now. I make sure I eat about 250+ grams of protein each day. carbs I eat enough of - there’s no 2 ways about it. the only meal I cut carbs on is the meal before bed, so I usually have some nuts with cassein+whey+milk. I have a big meal 1 hour before training and then 50 grams of maltodectrin and 50 grams of dextrose post workout with 50 grams of whey, followed by a solid food meal 1 hour later, both high in carbs and in protein.

I try and get most of my protein from solid foods rather than whey shakes, I try and just use shakes for breakfast, post workout and then before bed.

I do occasionally take a week or two off with fresh hope that it might do me some good, but when I come back to the training feeling fresh and with a new routine, it’s like nothing has changed.

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[quote]maxx power wrote:
I dont know man, you are 160 lbs, at what level did you say you began to get to fat?

Like did you gain 20? 30? pounds?

Or, did you gain 5 pounds?

Im not being a dick, but your 160 lbs and your young. Maybe you need to seriously bulk to 180 maybe 200 and do a quick tone.

Ive seen guys gain fat right off the hop when trying to gain, then it tapers off to a steady progression of gain. BUT, you got to live with the gut/beltline and tough it out. Its always the first place your going to gain.

Your 160 and young, eat until you are 200 and give toning a try. Shit, it shouldnt take more than a year or two.

I know someone similar to you. He eats everything in the sun and the second he gets love handles or a slight belly, he is back training/cardio trying to get rid of it.

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Ive seen my waiste go up 5 inches. I can handle fat but there comes a point where you know you need to cut the fat gain down.

when I cut, I get down to a size that is comfortable and that size is a size where you cant even see my abs. 10mm on the belly measurment reading on the caliper is ‘comfortable’ - it was as high as 22. and Im not even going to go any higher than that - I have been as high as 30mm and I was 28% bodyfat then and really dont wanna let the fat gain slip to that much.

I’m about 15-205 at the moment and that was after a recent cut.

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[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
Professor X wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
Thanks for the reply, but dont you think diet was the first thing I looked at? Im not a newbie to training, Ive been training years.

I’ve had to re-adjust it recentley because I was gaining too much fat.

I dont eat junk food, maybe one cheat meal every couple of weeks but that’s about it.

if I was eating enough to gian fat then I was obviously eating enough to gain muscle.

I’ve lowered carbs slightly and the fat is staying off me.

Then clearly you are doing everything right and it is the gym’s fault you aren’t gaining muscle.

Seriously, people like you are utterly ridiculous. You gained fat? Most people understand that SOME fat gain is going to come with a substantial gain in muscle mass. That may very well be your problem, the belief that you will somehow gain tons of muscle while retricting your food intake to the point that you make no gains. It doesn’t work that way. But hey, you are the guy who does everything right. Maybe you can blame it on the rain. It worked for Milli Vanilli.

NO, people like YOU are utterly ridiculous - you just dont believe that there are people that cant gain muscle. Im not a newbie to training and Im not lacking knowledge - Ive been training 6 years - reading books on nutrition, training, reading websites, articles - dont talk to me like Im some sort of dumbass.

now it’s posts like yours that piss me off BIGTIME - pure ignorance. yeah, of course when people are bulking they will gain SOME fat but the amount of fat I gained wasnt just a bit of fat. I did restrict my food intake by 150-200 cals a day because my caliper readings went up by 11mm in just over a month- that’s WAY too much fat. so come on then clever clogs, if you were gaining that much fat, what would you do? carry on getting fat? that show’s that you must have a low IQ level, that or you must enjoy being fat!

the fact of the matter is - I was gaining ALOT of fat and NO muscle and it’s been like that for a long time.

I am so desperate to gain muscle that I make sure Im doing everything 100%. I’m actually going to the docs soon to have some tests done, SHBG, liver+kidneys and a few others.

I sugest you go and read back through my posts in this thread and try and come to a conclusion why Im not gaining muscle, or have you already just decided that Im not eating enough and that’s case closed?

I come on the net to try and find answers but instead of answers I get snarled at like Im some sort of dumbass who’s just started training and hasnt a clue what he’s doing and he won’t listen to any advice given.

I’ve taken advice over the years from many people, has it worked?..

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Then stop lifting weights. You are clearly so over the top that you will risk damaging your body to see progress. Since you must be doing every single thing right, obviously you are just the one person on the planet who can’t gain any muscle. It is possible, I guess. So why keep complaining? Give up already. We’ve told you what we think the problem is, but obviously that isn’t it because you know better. So quit. Why keep posting here?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
Professor X wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
Thanks for the reply, but dont you think diet was the first thing I looked at? Im not a newbie to training, Ive been training years.

I’ve had to re-adjust it recentley because I was gaining too much fat.

I dont eat junk food, maybe one cheat meal every couple of weeks but that’s about it.

if I was eating enough to gian fat then I was obviously eating enough to gain muscle.

I’ve lowered carbs slightly and the fat is staying off me.

Then clearly you are doing everything right and it is the gym’s fault you aren’t gaining muscle.

Seriously, people like you are utterly ridiculous. You gained fat? Most people understand that SOME fat gain is going to come with a substantial gain in muscle mass. That may very well be your problem, the belief that you will somehow gain tons of muscle while retricting your food intake to the point that you make no gains. It doesn’t work that way. But hey, you are the guy who does everything right. Maybe you can blame it on the rain. It worked for Milli Vanilli.

NO, people like YOU are utterly ridiculous - you just dont believe that there are people that cant gain muscle. Im not a newbie to training and Im not lacking knowledge - Ive been training 6 years - reading books on nutrition, training, reading websites, articles - dont talk to me like Im some sort of dumbass.

now it’s posts like yours that piss me off BIGTIME - pure ignorance. yeah, of course when people are bulking they will gain SOME fat but the amount of fat I gained wasnt just a bit of fat. I did restrict my food intake by 150-200 cals a day because my caliper readings went up by 11mm in just over a month- that’s WAY too much fat. so come on then clever clogs, if you were gaining that much fat, what would you do? carry on getting fat? that show’s that you must have a low IQ level, that or you must enjoy being fat!

the fact of the matter is - I was gaining ALOT of fat and NO muscle and it’s been like that for a long time.

I am so desperate to gain muscle that I make sure Im doing everything 100%. I’m actually going to the docs soon to have some tests done, SHBG, liver+kidneys and a few others.

I sugest you go and read back through my posts in this thread and try and come to a conclusion why Im not gaining muscle, or have you already just decided that Im not eating enough and that’s case closed?

I come on the net to try and find answers but instead of answers I get snarled at like Im some sort of dumbass who’s just started training and hasnt a clue what he’s doing and he won’t listen to any advice given.

I’ve taken advice over the years from many people, has it worked?..

Then stop lifting weights. You are clearly so over the top that you will risk damaging your body to see progress. Since you must be doing every single thing right, obviously you are just the one person on the planet who can’t gain any muscle. It is possible, I guess. So why keep complaining? Give up already. We’ve told you what we think the problem is, but obviously that isn’t it because you know better. So quit. Why keep posting here?[/quote]

why are you coming across as a total asshole? what exactly is it that i have done so wrong?

I saw a thread about not being able to gain muscle so I thought Id ask a few questions… I thought maybe there might be a doc about this place that might be able to give me his thoughts?

worth a go wasnt it? and why not give up training? my old man said the same thing to me only the other night. I suffer from bigorexia and have been treated for it, but I found the treatment and the psychologist pretty poor. he hadnt even heard of ‘bigorexia’ or ‘muscle dysmorphia’ - he just shoved me infront of a mirror and said “you arent skinny” - like that’s guna help.

now you might be thinking “well, he might actually have gained well, he migh have a distorted image of himself” - well, when you have pics infront of you that were taken 19 months apart and you dont see much of a change at all and friends and family agree with that, then you see your stats on paper then you know that you aint gaining.

I know Im damaging my body, but I’ll carry on doing that with the hope of being able to finally wear a T-shirt out in public some day…

I’ll carry on training and carry on educating myself like I have been doing all these years. I just hope that there might be something medical behind this that can be dealt with.

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[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
redsox348984 wrote:
if you can honestly say you have put on weight, yet you didnt get any bigger or staonger while putting on weight, id say maybe you are overtraining yourself. do you take back off weeks or ever take a week off?

Ive tried over training, undertraining, high intensity, low intensity, periodozation training, volume training, some of chads routines, 5x5, 3x8, 4x6, different rep ranges, training to failure alot, never training to failure, training to failure a bit… I dont know what to try next… I give the routines 3-4 months to see how I progress, but I never really see results that make me think “wow, that was pretty good”

I’ve been training 6 years, only benching 154lbs. after a couple of years of making hardly any progress, I decided to shove my head right into bodybuilding, really get myself aquainted with it, fill my head with knowledge so I could pin point where I was going wrong.

firstly I concentreted on nutrition, so I read a couple of books on nutrition aimed at the sporting/bodybuilding person. took me a while to adjust my diet and Ive played around with the food ratios for a long while now. I make sure I eat about 250+ grams of protein each day. carbs I eat enough of - there’s no 2 ways about it. the only meal I cut carbs on is the meal before bed, so I usually have some nuts with cassein+whey+milk. I have a big meal 1 hour before training and then 50 grams of maltodectrin and 50 grams of dextrose post workout with 50 grams of whey, followed by a solid food meal 1 hour later, both high in carbs and in protein.

I try and get most of my protein from solid foods rather than whey shakes, I try and just use shakes for breakfast, post workout and then before bed.

I do occasionally take a week or two off with fresh hope that it might do me some good, but when I come back to the training feeling fresh and with a new routine, it’s like nothing has changed.

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heres a really good article on how to back off.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=546953

In CT’s DVD on cluster training, i do remember him saying that if you overtrain your nervous system it will need up to a month to recover. just thought id throw that out in the realm of possibilities

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[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
why are you coming across as a total asshole? what exactly is it that i have done so wrong?[/quote]

First, you claim “nothing but fat gain” which implies you were eating too much and needed to scale it back to where you were still gaining but with less fat. You claim drug use when it clear you don’t even understand how your own body works. Perhaps you were expecting gains too quickly and when that didn’t happen, you increased your calories too much. How much do you weigh now? How old are?

Let me ask that again so you don’t miss it.

HOW OLD ARE YOU AND HOW MUCH DO YOU WEIGH NOW?

[quote]
I saw a thread about not being able to gain muscle so I thought Id ask a few questions… I thought maybe there might be a doc about this place that might be able to give me his thoughts?[/quote]

Dude, you asked questions and then claimed you were doing everything right. If you are doing everything right, then what is there to ask about? Clearly there is nothing we can tell you…because you are training perfectly.

You definitely have problems then, and it isn’t “medical” aside from mental. Someone like you is at risk of truly hurting themselves.

[quote]
I know Im damaging my body, but I’ll carry on doing that with the hope of being able to finally wear a T-shirt out in public some day…[/quote]

So, you knew you had this problem…so what did you expect to hear from us? You aren’t likely to even listen if you won’t even listen to a medical professional who tried to help you before. “Bigorexia” isn’t some problem that manifests with symptoms never seen before. It is the complete opposite of anorexia meaning that even if your professional had never heard of that exact term before, he could approach it the same way. You, however, didn’t even give him the chance…so what do you expect here?

Gee, isn’t the problem pretty damn clear?

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also, how hard are you working in the gym? there are many people who workout consistantly but have no clue what it means to put serious effort into upping there weights and putting everything they have into there sets

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i looked up that disorder.
Main Entry: bigorexia
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: a mental disorder characterized by a normal person’s obsession with an imagined defect in physical appearance; also called muscle dysmorphia, dysmorphophobia, reverse anorexia
Example: Bigorexia tends to affect males more than females because men are under more pressure to be toned and muscular.

apparently even if you got bigger you wouldnt even know it. dont you think that the problem is your disorder not your training?

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[quote]redsox348984 wrote:
i looked up that disorder.
Main Entry: bigorexia
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: a mental disorder characterized by a normal person’s obsession with an imagined defect in physical appearance; also called muscle dysmorphia, dysmorphophobia, reverse anorexia
Example: Bigorexia tends to affect males more than females because men are under more pressure to be toned and muscular.

apparently even if you got bigger you wouldnt even know it. dont you think that the problem is your disorder not your training?[/quote]

Just to add to that, by that broad definition, nearly everyone on this forum has that disorder. It needs to be understood there is a sharp contrast between that disorder and someone who is truly obsessed with bodybuilding but knows and understands how they really look.

If I told anyone I wanted to get bigger, they would look at me funny. That doesn’t mean I have “bigorexia” simply because I see faults that I want to correct. It would be bigorexia if I looked in the mirror at my current weight and saw a skinny guy staring back at me or couldn’t see the progress I’ve made.

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[quote]redsox348984 wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
redsox348984 wrote:
if you can honestly say you have put on weight, yet you didnt get any bigger or staonger while putting on weight, id say maybe you are overtraining yourself. do you take back off weeks or ever take a week off?

Ive tried over training, undertraining, high intensity, low intensity, periodozation training, volume training, some of chads routines, 5x5, 3x8, 4x6, different rep ranges, training to failure alot, never training to failure, training to failure a bit… I dont know what to try next… I give the routines 3-4 months to see how I progress, but I never really see results that make me think “wow, that was pretty good”

I’ve been training 6 years, only benching 154lbs. after a couple of years of making hardly any progress, I decided to shove my head right into bodybuilding, really get myself aquainted with it, fill my head with knowledge so I could pin point where I was going wrong.

firstly I concentreted on nutrition, so I read a couple of books on nutrition aimed at the sporting/bodybuilding person. took me a while to adjust my diet and Ive played around with the food ratios for a long while now. I make sure I eat about 250+ grams of protein each day. carbs I eat enough of - there’s no 2 ways about it. the only meal I cut carbs on is the meal before bed, so I usually have some nuts with cassein+whey+milk. I have a big meal 1 hour before training and then 50 grams of maltodectrin and 50 grams of dextrose post workout with 50 grams of whey, followed by a solid food meal 1 hour later, both high in carbs and in protein.

I try and get most of my protein from solid foods rather than whey shakes, I try and just use shakes for breakfast, post workout and then before bed.

I do occasionally take a week or two off with fresh hope that it might do me some good, but when I come back to the training feeling fresh and with a new routine, it’s like nothing has changed.

heres a really good article on how to back off.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=546953

In CT’s DVD on cluster training, i do remember him saying that if you overtrain your nervous system it will need up to a month to recover. just thought id throw that out in the realm of possibilities[/quote]

looks like an interesting read, appreciate that mate. I’ll take a look now.

now this is the sort of thing Im looking for. I get sick of people TELLING me that Im not eating enough or training right. I know that I eat right and well contrary to what SOME people on here think, I say I am eating right and some people are like ‘no, you’re bullshitting’ then they try and belittle me.

for god sake, look at it like this - you got a person who suffers with body image issues (muscle dysmorphia), dont you think that person is going to put 100% in so he doesnt have to suffer from the disorder anymore? well that’s what I do! but I get told otherwise. why would I come on here and bullshit? on that test further up this thread I got 2 scores on 90% and one on 80% - I didnt lern anything I didnt already know.

I understand that you do get newbies on here who dont know what theyre doing and are in the process of learning and say they don’t gain muscle - that’s fair enough. but what about those who arent newbies, the ones who put everything theyve got into bodybuilding and still cant gain?

I can see that when someone comes along and says “I cant gain muscle” then you lot will reply with “your diet must be wrong” and that’s what I would think but Im telling you that it isnt diet, Ive had my diet backed up by 2 nutrionists who say that my diet is very good - why is that so hard to believe? why are you so cynical?

it might be training, but I just cant see where Im going wrong having tried so many variations of training.

thanks redsox, I’ll give that a read now. and the next routine I will try will be some form of HIT/culmative training.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
why are you coming across as a total asshole? what exactly is it that i have done so wrong?

First, you claim “nothing but fat gain” which implies you were eating too much and needed to scale it back to where you were still gaining but with less fat. You claim drug use when it clear you don’t even understand how your own body works. Perhaps you were expecting gains too quickly and when that didn’t happen, you increased your calories too much. How much do you weigh now? How old are?

Let me ask that again so you don’t miss it.

HOW OLD ARE YOU AND HOW MUCH DO YOU WEIGH NOW?

I saw a thread about not being able to gain muscle so I thought Id ask a few questions… I thought maybe there might be a doc about this place that might be able to give me his thoughts?

Dude, you asked questions and then claimed you were doing everything right. If you are doing everything right, then what is there to ask about? Clearly there is nothing we can tell you…because you are training perfectly.

I suffer from bigorexia and have been treated for it, but I found the treatment and the psychologist pretty poor. he hadnt even heard of ‘bigorexia’ or ‘muscle dysmorphia’ - he just shoved me infront of a mirror and said “you arent skinny” - like that’s guna help.

You definitely have problems then, and it isn’t “medical” aside from mental. Someone like you is at risk of truly hurting themselves.

I know Im damaging my body, but I’ll carry on doing that with the hope of being able to finally wear a T-shirt out in public some day…

So, you knew you had this problem…so what did you expect to hear from us? You aren’t likely to even listen if you won’t even listen to a medical professional who tried to help you before. “Bigorexia” isn’t some problem that manifests with symptoms never seen before. It is the complete opposite of anorexia meaning that even if your professional had never heard of that exact term before, he could approach it the same way. You, however, didn’t even give him the chance…so what do you expect here?

I’ll carry on training and carry on educating myself like I have been doing all these years. I just hope that there might be something medical behind this that can be dealt with.

Gee, isn’t the problem pretty damn clear?[/quote]

Im 28 years old, been training 6 years, I weigh 165lbs, I do use gear and yes maybe I should have waited but when you’re desperate to gain musle then you’ll do anything to get it.

my bro knows less than half of what I know, he even comes to me for advice and he goes away uses that advice and it usually works - that makes things even harder, watching your younger bro just train and get bigger, it makes dealing with bigorexia even harder.

"Dude, you asked questions and then claimed you were doing everything right. If you are doing everything right, then what is there to ask about? "

Like I said - there might be a doctor about this place and redsoc has given me somthing to read that mighgt help.

so there you go, that MIGHT help me and if it does then Im glad I did ask questions - it cant hurt to ask, can it? as far as I can see I am doing everything right. my diet is spot on but then I get told by you that it isnt or that i am doing something wrong.

“So, you knew you had this problem…so what did you expect to hear from us? You aren’t likely to even listen if you won’t even listen to a medical professional who tried to help you before. “Bigorexia” isn’t some problem that manifests with symptoms never seen before. It is the complete opposite of anorexia meaning that even if your professional had never heard of that exact term before, he could approach it the same way. You, however, didn’t even give him the chance…so what do you expect here?”

what has bigorexia got to do with this? Im talking about my lack of gains, not bigorexia!! and do you really expect me to listen to a psychologist when he sits me down and says “you arent skinny” - would you expect an anorexic girl to be sat down infront of a mirror and be told “you arent fat” she listens to that and then thinks “oh, Im not fat!, Im now cured”?? of course I listened to the psychologist, i just didnt believe him. I did give hima chance, I was seeing him for 2 years. what do I expect here? I expect that maybe someone could actually point me in a new direction like redsoc has… Im not here to talk about bigorexia, that is completley irrelevant, Im here to talk about my inability to gain muscle.

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Your comment on using Gear is the first time you’ve suggested where you might be wrong, that’s a start. Investigate that.

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[quote]Malevolence wrote:
Your comment on using Gear is the first time you’ve suggested where you might be wrong, that’s a start. Investigate that.[/quote]

I was wrong in the fact that I used gear too early.

how could using gear restrain my body from making gains?

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[quote]Malevolence wrote:
Your comment on using Gear is the first time you’ve suggested where you might be wrong, that’s a start. Investigate that.[/quote]

oh, and my gains for the 4 years before that were shit. so I doubt it has anything to do with gear…

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[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
what has bigorexia got to do with this? Im talking about my lack of gains, not bigorexia!!

[/quote]

It could explain every choice you have made up to this point, from rushing weight gain to drug use. The fact that you don’t see the connection is pretty scary. You have no balance and until you understand that, you will always be in the same situation.

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[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
Malevolence wrote:
Your comment on using Gear is the first time you’ve suggested where you might be wrong, that’s a start. Investigate that.

I was wrong in the fact that I used gear too early.

how could using gear restrain my body from making gains?

[/quote]

You tell me. I don’t know how your body works, I also don’t know the ins and outs of how various gear works. The point is not that gear caused or didn’t cause anything. The point is that so far, you have not admitted to any shortcoming on your part, except for your decision to use gear at an early age. So, have you investigated that possibility? even if it a remote one, since you’ve clearly ‘tried everything’ so well, surely you would know the ins and outs of what the gear did to you. right?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
what has bigorexia got to do with this? Im talking about my lack of gains, not bigorexia!!

It could explain every choice you have made up to this point, from rushing weight gain to drug use. The fact that you don’t see the connection is pretty scary. You have no balance and until you understand that, you will always be in the same situation.[/quote]

FFS

rushing weight gain? Id be over the moon of I made 5-7lbs in 6 months even with the help of gear! how exactly am I rushing weight gain? I’ve made maybe 15lbs in 6 years of training.

I trained for 4 years before drug use too.

like I said, my gains have been shit and there’s no 2 ways about that.

the only bad thing about bigorexia is the fact that it’s the condition thats pushed me into using gear, that’s the only down side apart from the fact it’s casuing me grief.

I know that if I didnt have bigorexia that I wouldnt be as knowledgeable on the subject of lifting weights/boodybuilding and every aspect of it.

the only choice that bigorexcia has had a bearing on is the choice on using gear.

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[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
Professor X wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
why are you coming across as a total asshole? what exactly is it that i have done so wrong?

First, you claim “nothing but fat gain” which implies you were eating too much and needed to scale it back to where you were still gaining but with less fat. You claim drug use when it clear you don’t even understand how your own body works. Perhaps you were expecting gains too quickly and when that didn’t happen, you increased your calories too much. How much do you weigh now? How old are?

Let me ask that again so you don’t miss it.

HOW OLD ARE YOU AND HOW MUCH DO YOU WEIGH NOW?

I saw a thread about not being able to gain muscle so I thought Id ask a few questions… I thought maybe there might be a doc about this place that might be able to give me his thoughts?

Dude, you asked questions and then claimed you were doing everything right. If you are doing everything right, then what is there to ask about? Clearly there is nothing we can tell you…because you are training perfectly.

I suffer from bigorexia and have been treated for it, but I found the treatment and the psychologist pretty poor. he hadnt even heard of ‘bigorexia’ or ‘muscle dysmorphia’ - he just shoved me infront of a mirror and said “you arent skinny” - like that’s guna help.

You definitely have problems then, and it isn’t “medical” aside from mental. Someone like you is at risk of truly hurting themselves.

I know Im damaging my body, but I’ll carry on doing that with the hope of being able to finally wear a T-shirt out in public some day…

So, you knew you had this problem…so what did you expect to hear from us? You aren’t likely to even listen if you won’t even listen to a medical professional who tried to help you before. “Bigorexia” isn’t some problem that manifests with symptoms never seen before. It is the complete opposite of anorexia meaning that even if your professional had never heard of that exact term before, he could approach it the same way. You, however, didn’t even give him the chance…so what do you expect here?

I’ll carry on training and carry on educating myself like I have been doing all these years. I just hope that there might be something medical behind this that can be dealt with.

Gee, isn’t the problem pretty damn clear?

Im 28 years old, been training 6 years, I weigh 165lbs, I do use gear and yes maybe I should have waited but when you’re desperate to gain musle then you’ll do anything to get it.

my bro knows less than half of what I know, he even comes to me for advice and he goes away uses that advice and it usually works - that makes things even harder, watching your younger bro just train and get bigger, it makes dealing with bigorexia even harder.

"Dude, you asked questions and then claimed you were doing everything right. If you are doing everything right, then what is there to ask about? "

Like I said - there might be a doctor about this place and redsoc has given me somthing to read that mighgt help.

so there you go, that MIGHT help me and if it does then Im glad I did ask questions - it cant hurt to ask, can it? as far as I can see I am doing everything right. my diet is spot on but then I get told by you that it isnt or that i am doing something wrong.

“So, you knew you had this problem…so what did you expect to hear from us? You aren’t likely to even listen if you won’t even listen to a medical professional who tried to help you before. “Bigorexia” isn’t some problem that manifests with symptoms never seen before. It is the complete opposite of anorexia meaning that even if your professional had never heard of that exact term before, he could approach it the same way. You, however, didn’t even give him the chance…so what do you expect here?”

what has bigorexia got to do with this? Im talking about my lack of gains, not bigorexia!! and do you really expect me to listen to a psychologist when he sits me down and says “you arent skinny” - would you expect an anorexic girl to be sat down infront of a mirror and be told “you arent fat” she listens to that and then thinks “oh, Im not fat!, Im now cured”?? of course I listened to the psychologist, i just didnt believe him. I did give hima chance, I was seeing him for 2 years. what do I expect here? I expect that maybe someone could actually point me in a new direction like redsoc has… Im not here to talk about bigorexia, that is completley irrelevant, Im here to talk about my inability to gain muscle.

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What kind of medications are you on/do you take?

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[quote]Malevolence wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
Malevolence wrote:
Your comment on using Gear is the first time you’ve suggested where you might be wrong, that’s a start. Investigate that.

I was wrong in the fact that I used gear too early.

how could using gear restrain my body from making gains?

You tell me. I don’t know how your body works, I also don’t know the ins and outs of how various gear works. The point is not that gear caused or didn’t cause anything. The point is that so far, you have not admitted to any shortcoming on your part, except for your decision to use gear at an early age. So, have you investigated that possibility? even if it a remote one, since you’ve clearly ‘tried everything’ so well, surely you would know the ins and outs of what the gear did to you. right?

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yeah, I researched gear for a good 2 years prior to using it.

I could take that path, but where the hell do I start? Ive only ever heard of people making gains on gear, never heard anything otherwise and wouldnt know where to start…[insert puzzled look here]

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[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
Professor X wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
what has bigorexia got to do with this? Im talking about my lack of gains, not bigorexia!!

It could explain every choice you have made up to this point, from rushing weight gain to drug use. The fact that you don’t see the connection is pretty scary. You have no balance and until you understand that, you will always be in the same situation.

FFS

rushing weight gain? Id be over the moon of I made 5-7lbs in 6 months even with the help of gear! how exactly am I rushing weight gain? I’ve made maybe 15lbs in 6 years of training.

I trained for 4 years before drug use too.

like I said, my gains have been shit and there’s no 2 ways about that.

the only bad thing about bigorexia is the fact that it’s the condition thats pushed me into using gear, that’s the only down side apart from the fact it’s casuing me grief.

I know that if I didnt have bigorexia that I wouldnt be as knowledgeable on the subject of lifting weights/boodybuilding and every aspect of it.

the only choice that bigorexcia has had a bearing on is the choice on using gear.

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if it was 5-7 pounds in 6 monthes, you arent rushing weight gain. you just arent eating enough if you ask me. you cannot get fat from 5-7 extra pounds