[quote]nz6stringaxe wrote:
Professor X wrote:
nz6stringaxe wrote:
I was thinking about asking a similar question a few days ago.
Lately, I’ve been eating so much that I am very uncomfortable, as in my body fights the amount of food. My weight gain is slow, my progress in the gym is quite good, my bodyfat rise is slow, but I think at this point I think it could be even slower.
Here’s what I’m thinking. My recent years of training and not ‘bulk’ eating, I’ve made a net gain of 10lbs a year; not too great, but nothing negative either! This past year, I’ve been tuning into my physiological responses to everything much more. I tried the Anabolic Diet and saw what it was all about. Excess calories from fat gave me fat and little strength in the gym. When I dialed back and added carbs, my feeling in the gym was amazingly better.
I was having this discussion with my friend who also frequents this forum. He’s following a program I wrote and is telling me how he’s constantly hungry whereas I’m constantly full and have a bit of a sick feeling. I know the feeling of ravenous pwo hunger after REALLY expending your efforts on the iron. I feel like THAT’S what we’re after. Your body knows when it needs food and will cue you accordingly.
I’ve been eating high calories on my off days and it feels off, wrong, etc. I feel like we shouldn’t be talking about calories for their energy but rather the macronutrients for their individual functions and hormonal applications. This is even what Christian Thibaudeau has said within the last year, so I feel like I’m getting closer to ‘figuring it all out’.
Said friend mentioned that the athlete squatting 500lbs at 2000cal/day will not be growing. I agreed and qualified that those athletes are exerting themselves in single all-out efforts. If you’re squatting 500lb for a ‘hypertrophy range’ around 10 reps, then I can’t imagine a little guy being able to accomplish such a feat. If you’re making your way to actually DOING that, you have to first do 300, then 400, then 500, right? Eventually 2000cal won’t be enough, and you will be STARVING. Your body will tell you to eat more!
It’s this force-feeding thing that I initially disagreed with, am currently trying, and still am not agreeing.
Thoughts on any of this? I think it’s a very worthy discussion you’ve begun, and people like Thibaudeau seem to have very strong thoughts that not only go against the grain but are backed with a very good physique and others (clients) experimented upon.
First off, CT bulked up. Period. To look like CT would involve doing EVERYTHING CT has done up to this point. I like CT as a person, but even he is misleading if he acts like he looks like he does without going that route in the past.
Second, there is no way in hell someone could go from skinny to huge without ever feeling uncomfortable when eating more. Do you think it was easy for me to go from 150lbs to where I am now? I just didn’t whine about it like you are.
Based on successes versus failures I’ve seen in making themselves grow, I generally agree with you, but where do you draw the line? Eating 8000cals a day isn’t going to be more productive than 6000, which is probably excessive to begin with, assuming you’re under 180-200lbs right? How are you to know when enough is enough?
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Simple – find your maintenance and eat 500 calories a day more. You’ll gain about a solid pound a week.
And, LMAO @ “not a neccesary piece of the pie”
