does anybody do this or avoid this? very curious as F/C meals were very no-no in a lot of old articles. how about P/F/C?
when i started to add baked potato wedges with cheese to my diet, fat piled on exceptionally quickly. i did not count calories at the time but did not eat particularly more than usual.
I think Berardi has since pulled back a bit on the complete separation of Fats and Carbs, as any combination of macros will usually blunt insulin and slow overall absorption. I still try to limit either one or the other, as foods that have BOTH are usually the worst things for your, so it still makes sense to me (ie. cake is bad, but peanut butter on whole wheat bread wouldn’t kill you). Just carbs by themselves though is something I still avoid though.
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fat/carb meals don’t make you fat… excess calories and being sedentary makes you fat. if you are training consistently hard and aren’t constantly stuffing your face to the point where you can’t breath, you shouldn’t be ‘piling’ on fat. if you think you are piling on fat, consider documenting everything you eat and then reassess your dietary habits compared to how active you are…
I take it as a rule of thumb, but am not anal retentive about it.
I won’t add most fat sources to my carb meals and vice versa, but I could care less about trace amounts or downing a tbsp of fish oil with carb meals.
I think the logic behind it was the fat wouldn’t be used for energy in the presence of Insulin, and consuming the two at the same time ensures that one will be used for energy and the other stored.
It was a load of crap from the very beginning…but I guess it took the rest of you this long to figure that out.
Carb/calorie restriction works for most of us and some of the biggest/strongest here never worried about separating fats and carbs.
It’s a load of crap but makes a good roundabout point: if you’re not eating protein in a meal, why are you eating the meal at all?
Personally, being 165 lbs. and trying to separate P/F/C into nice and neat P/F and P/C was a horrible pain and just lead to a loss of muscle. I read in some other thread that the reason the separation works for some people is because it will in theory limit your total caloric intake. For example, instead of eating steak and potatoes, you’ll eat steak and spinach, taking out the calories from the potatoes.
One thing I still wonder about though…
Berardi’s theory of separation of macros was partially based on controlling insulin sensitivity (P/F) and insulin release (P/C). After doing some more reading, I found out this was mostly crap, since eating high protein meals will trigger an insulin response regardless of carb or fat content. So I guess it was all a sham anyway.
Besides a protein/dextro preworkout shake, is there any use in trying to “manage” insulin releases? If so, how?
some good info from people who have gotten good results, awesome!
thanks