Do you follow this “rule” that one should not have a high fat high carb meal?
If you do or don’t, how lean are you and what is your goal?
When I mean carb and fat meal, I’m talking about something with clean carbs and good fats such as peanut butter and oatmeal or steak with brown rice e.t.c…
I love toast with butter or PB and usually eat 2-4 slices a day along with fruit and protein.
I’m trying to put on weight and if I bothered to not include fat with carbs I’d be limiting my calories
I’m about 15% body fat, nothing spectacular when I start cutting I will probably limit carb intake so it won’t really matter about carbs and fat being together since carbs will be mainly PWO
I think even CT said that he finds the whole P+C and P+F thing highly overrated; he even mentioned that Berardi seems to be steering away from this recommendation (though I cannot find Berardi’s words, so I’m going by CT’s).
If insulin is what would store the consumed fat in a C+F meal, then what happens to the fat if you consume it in a P+F meal? Where does it go if not stored in your fat cells?
Surely, the difference can’t be fat storage vs. zero fat storage? If even a modicum of fat is stored in a consumed P+F meal, where does the rest of the fat go?
I’ve read all the logic behind this method of macro combination, but still wonder about some of it.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
If insulin is what would store the consumed fat in a C+F meal, then what happens to the fat if you consume it in a P+F meal? Where does it go if not stored in your fat cells?
Surely, the difference can’t be fat storage vs. zero fat storage? If even a modicum of fat is stored in a consumed P+F meal, where does the rest of the fat go?
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Burned for energy, perhaps?
Ok, but doesn’t it require cortisol to mobilize fatty acids and possibly a higher metabolism, since it requires so much energy to burn fat?
That would mean there are periods of lower cortisol and lower metabolism (I know they are not mutually exclusive) that would NOT favor the burning of fat for fuel, hence the intake of fat would result in potential fat storage regardless of an insulin spike to initiate fat storage.
So, eating a P+F at night before bed, when your metabolism is supposedly lower, wouldn’t necessarily mean that you don’t store any of the fat. Right?
Also, if you eat a P+C meal before bed, to avoid storing protein as fat, wouldn’t your muscles had to have endured significant training stimulus in order for your body to put the protein to use? I mean, if you eat protein at a time when your body’s capacity to build muscle isn’t at optimum levels (say it’s a rest day and night time, before bed), wouldn’t the protein be stored as fat?
Someone please correct me if I’ve misunderstood. Just thinking out loud.
John Berardi, the “founder” of the no C+F meals, is beginning to sway away from this logic.
[quote]elusive wrote:
John Berardi, the “founder” of the no C+F meals, is beginning to sway away from this logic.[/quote]
How do you go about?
Do you follow it or not?
First of all, steak and rice isn’t a high fat/high carb meal - there’s a lot of protein in steak.
As jehova pointed out, avoiding fats and carbs in the same meal makes eating a lot of calories difficult. However, it does make dieting easier, especially if you’re low carbing it (e.g. P+C for breakfast, P+F the rest of the day).
So to answer your question, yes, I follow that “rule.” I’m currently too fat and trying to lose said fat. FWIW, however, I only follow that “rule” because it makes cutting calories easier, not because of the purported benefits on insulin manipulation, avoiding fat storage, etc.
Wait, did you mean high fat/high carb AND protein or just high fat/high carb?
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
How do you go about?
Do you follow it or not?[/quote]
My current eating style doesn’t allow me to eat any C+F meals, mainly because im low carbing all week, then having a “carb day”. However, when I decide to do a mass phase (hopefully september) I do plan to have P+F+C meals to help me reach my calorie needs.
[quote]elusive wrote:
ronaldo7 wrote:
How do you go about?
Do you follow it or not?
My current eating style doesn’t allow me to eat any C+F meals, mainly because im low carbing all week, then having a “carb day”. However, when I decide to do a mass phase (hopefully september) I do plan to have P+F+C meals to help me reach my calorie needs.[/quote]
this is about where i’m at right now as well. most of my carbs come peri-workout (post-workout shake, some days fruit pre-workout), where fat is not desired anyway.
in any case, to the op - i would rather err on the side of caution and i personally wouldn’t mix simple carbs and fat (eg. fruit with pb) when dieting. but to have a little pb with your oats in the morning? i highly doubt there would be an issue.