[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
cus we r smrt[/quote]
The more time I spend on the interwebs, the less I believe this.
/b/ has driven all my faith in humanity straight to hell.[/quote]
Boxy?
[quote]Ronsauce wrote:
I was just hoping that he was asking an honest question. I didn’t really read his post as an argument against evolution.[/quote]
I was asking a question about how those that believe in evolution can answer this. if we evolved from other animals, why isn’t any other species also using tools and living in civilizations, at least to a minor degree. I am not trying to push my beliefs on anyone, just know there are a lot of evolutionists on this site. Curious about their opinion.
I like to credit Jesus Christ personally but anyway, it would be our amazing intelligence and our ability to run (we can outrun horses and many other animals, marathon distances…) and also our ability to throw. Simple tools such as spears turned into much more mechanical weapons such as the atlatl, sling and bow…in trained hands they are effective hunting weapons.
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:I think if nobody heard of heaven/hell they’d be animals. Look at feral children, they don’t care if they hurt you, they have no god to fear. They’ll eat you and think nothing of it. Religion is no doubt a player in our societal development.Even if that religion is just government tool to control the pack “gods” do determine a big portion.
there is no one answer but “god” is one of them. There’s no way to deny the impact of religion.
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What’s your explanation then for other pack animals not constantly turning on each other? Surely you don’t believe that their actions are governed by some kind of belief in a higher power?
I’m not saying religion hasn’t had an impact on us, but I don’t believe it has had any impact on our success as a species from an evolutionary standpoint.
Other species do use tools…at least to a minor degree. What do you mean specifically by civilizations?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
cus we r smrt[/quote]
The more time I spend on the interwebs, the less I believe this.
/b/ has driven all my faith in humanity straight to hell.[/quote]
Boxy?
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she is a saint. you shut your mouth, now!!
[quote]Mascherano wrote:
Jesus christ! where are the big titty threads, I can’t be opining on these high-brow topics all day what with my very urgent and important work demands…
But I will say,
We only survived as a species BECAUSE we evolved. As I was informed by the discovery channel, long story short, cavemen were scavengers who ate bone marrow from the carcasses of dead animals, thus making their brains grow. From there they started hunting. And then due to environmental changes, they adapted as bipeds. And well you know the rest.
We do have one awesome skill though, and that is procreation. Humans are amazing fuckers - quite literally. Couple that with brain power and this is how we’re at the top of the food chain. Supply and demand = think up ways to eat all the other creatures and/or destroy their habitats.
Go us!
ps. I hear alligators are evolving in way that makes them more mobile on land - don’t tell Florida…heehee[/quote]
Actually, there were a few prehistoric crocodiles and alligators that were VERY mobile on land. A couple even ate dinosaurs.
And, you KNOW where the big titty threads are…
I continually find it funny how humans assume they are superior to other species just because they are more intelligent, when in fact it hasn’t been proven that intelligence mean they are superior.
They just found a species of octopus using “tools.” They filmed them taking huge shells and dragging them a certain distance and then making caves and hiding spots out of them.
[quote]TheCoolestLuke wrote:
I continually find it funny how humans assume they are superior to other species just because they are more intelligent, when in fact it hasn’t been proven that intelligence mean they are superior.[/quote]
the fact that we domesticated one of the most fearsome pack hunters on the planet is a good indicator.
speech, but more importantly writing.
i’ve never seen cows in space.
also the fact that you “find it funny” is a good indicator, i’ve never seen an animal laugh outside of a Disney movie, so you can chalk up complex emotions as another point for humankind.
i said COMPLEX emotion. not territorial displays and mating rituals.
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
They just found a species of octopus using “tools.” They filmed them taking huge shells and dragging them a certain distance and then making caves and hiding spots out of them.[/quote]
posted it on facebook about a week ago, here ya go.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hguFWEZQVy8AwxCL7YZTimCKN_qQ
[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
[quote]TheCoolestLuke wrote:
I continually find it funny how humans assume they are superior to other species just because they are more intelligent, when in fact it hasn’t been proven that intelligence mean they are superior.[/quote]
the fact that we domesticated one of the most fearsome pack hunters on the planet is a good indicator.
speech, but more importantly writing.
i’ve never seen cows in space.
also the fact that you “find it funny” is a good indicator, i’ve never seen an animal laugh outside of a Disney movie, so you can chalk up complex emotions as another point for humankind.
i said COMPLEX emotion. not territorial displays and mating rituals.
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How do you know animals don’t laugh?
Someone already said this, but i agree, its language that makes us the more intelligent species. And our ability to communicate in some pretty sophisticated symbols, like religion, makes us fairly superior.
[quote]Mascherano wrote:
[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
[quote]TheCoolestLuke wrote:
I continually find it funny how humans assume they are superior to other species just because they are more intelligent, when in fact it hasn’t been proven that intelligence mean they are superior.[/quote]
the fact that we domesticated one of the most fearsome pack hunters on the planet is a good indicator.
speech, but more importantly writing.
i’ve never seen cows in space.
also the fact that you “find it funny” is a good indicator, i’ve never seen an animal laugh outside of a Disney movie, so you can chalk up complex emotions as another point for humankind.
i said COMPLEX emotion. not territorial displays and mating rituals.
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How do you know animals don’t laugh?
Someone already said this, but i agree, its language that makes us the more intelligent species. And our ability to communicate in some pretty sophisticated symbols, like religion, makes us fairly superior.
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you do have a point. that was a poor example. what i should have said was a display of empathy. the concept of morals is strictly human.
[quote]Ronsauce wrote:
I was just hoping that he was asking an honest question. I didn’t really read his post as an argument against evolution.[/quote]
its wasnt a argument against evolution. I believe our dominance comes from our various cultures,histories,and stratification. Religion provides that. If we had not developed codes I doubt we’d early humans would have made it. take a look at hunting rituals, there’s no way a tribe would have hunted without making a sacrifice to some kind of spirit(nearly universal.
I wouldnt make any arguments against evolution, it can’t be won. I’ve seen that argument get hot fast. My post wasnt about any certain religion, just the widespread adherence to higher powers.
and even then, my post is just me being theoretical. I’m not here to argue. lol
[quote]Ronsauce wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:I think if nobody heard of heaven/hell they’d be animals. Look at feral children, they don’t care if they hurt you, they have no god to fear. They’ll eat you and think nothing of it. Religion is no doubt a player in our societal development.Even if that religion is just government tool to control the pack “gods” do determine a big portion.
there is no one answer but “god” is one of them. There’s no way to deny the impact of religion.
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What’s your explanation then for other pack animals not constantly turning on each other? Surely you don’t believe that their actions are governed by some kind of belief in a higher power?
I’m not saying religion hasn’t had an impact on us, but I don’t believe it has had any impact on our success as a species from an evolutionary standpoint.
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I’m not into debating evolution I’m into socialization. My concern is molding the man, not finding the clay.
but to answer you quesion its a possibilty that the Alpha Male/female is their respective god. They fear punishment from the alpha and receive reward like any other religious body.
[quote]Mascherano wrote:
[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
[quote]TheCoolestLuke wrote:
I continually find it funny how humans assume they are superior to other species just because they are more intelligent, when in fact it hasn’t been proven that intelligence mean they are superior.[/quote]
the fact that we domesticated one of the most fearsome pack hunters on the planet is a good indicator.
speech, but more importantly writing.
i’ve never seen cows in space.
also the fact that you “find it funny” is a good indicator, i’ve never seen an animal laugh outside of a Disney movie, so you can chalk up complex emotions as another point for humankind.
i said COMPLEX emotion. not territorial displays and mating rituals.
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How do you know animals don’t laugh?
Someone already said this, but i agree, its language that makes us the more intelligent species. And our ability to communicate in some pretty sophisticated symbols, like religion, makes us fairly superior.
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You make good points, I have never seen a cow in space, and language is pretty useful, but I believe that there is still no long term evidence to suggest that intelligence is a trait that is beneficial to our long term survival.
For example, our intelligence means we can utilise fossil fuels such as petrol, to get places at a faster speed, but at what cost? Arctic shrinkage, temperature increase, extreme weather, drought and poor air quality to name a few.
Intelligence also means we have the ability to forge powerful weapons, of biological, chemical, radiological and nuclear nature, which can cause widespread damage. One might argue that they are merely strategic weapons used for intimidation, which was certainly plausible during the cold war, now however, in the age of terrorism, with martyrs and their 100 virgins, widespread use of these weapons is clearly a real threat.
How about we wait a while, before we go off spouting that intelligence makes us superior, you never know what may be (or may not as the case may be) in tomorrows newspapers, and I for one, don’t want to tempt fate.
P.S. Intelligence also means that I wasted far far too long writing this reply, when I should clearly get to sleep.
we have the ability to reason and come to correct conclusions about the world around us.
[quote]TheCoolestLuke wrote:
[quote]Mascherano wrote:
[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
[quote]TheCoolestLuke wrote:
I continually find it funny how humans assume they are superior to other species just because they are more intelligent, when in fact it hasn’t been proven that intelligence mean they are superior.[/quote]
the fact that we domesticated one of the most fearsome pack hunters on the planet is a good indicator.
speech, but more importantly writing.
i’ve never seen cows in space.
also the fact that you “find it funny” is a good indicator, i’ve never seen an animal laugh outside of a Disney movie, so you can chalk up complex emotions as another point for humankind.
i said COMPLEX emotion. not territorial displays and mating rituals.
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How do you know animals don’t laugh?
Someone already said this, but i agree, its language that makes us the more intelligent species. And our ability to communicate in some pretty sophisticated symbols, like religion, makes us fairly superior.
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You make good points, I have never seen a cow in space, and language is pretty useful, but I believe that there is still no long term evidence to suggest that intelligence is a trait that is beneficial to our long term survival.
For example, our intelligence means we can utilise fossil fuels such as petrol, to get places at a faster speed, but at what cost? Arctic shrinkage, temperature increase, extreme weather, drought and poor air quality to name a few.
Intelligence also means we have the ability to forge powerful weapons, of biological, chemical, radiological and nuclear nature, which can cause widespread damage. One might argue that they are merely strategic weapons used for intimidation, which was certainly plausible during the cold war, now however, in the age of terrorism, with martyrs and their 100 virgins, widespread use of these weapons is clearly a real threat.
How about we wait a while, before we go off spouting that intelligence makes us superior, you never know what may be (or may not as the case may be) in tomorrows newspapers, and I for one, don’t want to tempt fate.
P.S. Intelligence also means that I wasted far far too long writing this reply, when I should clearly get to sleep.
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your kinda making points against yourself. hit the hay, wake up tomorrow morning and read your post. i think it’ll be clearer then.
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
[quote]Ronsauce wrote:
I was just hoping that he was asking an honest question. I didn’t really read his post as an argument against evolution.[/quote]
I was asking a question about how those that believe in evolution can answer this. if we evolved from other animals, why isn’t any other species also using tools and living in civilizations, at least to a minor degree. I am not trying to push my beliefs on anyone, just know there are a lot of evolutionists on this site. Curious about their opinion.[/quote]
No other animals use tools or live in societies?
Allrighty then!
I dont think the concept of superiority really exist. We are only different
Cause human males have the largest penis compared to their body size, that’s why.