Who's Kicking Butt With New Para-Wkout Protocol?

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[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
skohcl wrote:
And about bastardizing the protocol… we don’t even have anaconda, so we are already bastardizing it… can’t really speak to the effectiveness of the “real” protocol yet then, can we? I mean we’re supposed to “crash and burn” if we don’t have Anaconda in our protocol according to nate.

It’s already been stated that without the bars it’s still 80-90% effective, right?

This is the main point made in this thread by most lifters: we are all keen to follow the protocol to he letter but whether for availability or budget reasons we make the best of what is available.
Getting pent up about using high-grade WH and leucine instead of Anaconda, or having to opt for blending single quality supplement ingredients to make up a version of Workout Fuel (like me, because I can’t really afford the real stuff) is as pointless as fretting because your workout programme stipulates incline Smith presses but you only have access to a barbell and an incline bench! Will my upper chest results only be 80-90% effective because I didn’t use the Smith? We are talking narrow margins here.

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Agreed, and it hasn’t been bastardized for any other reasons than affordability for most of us. We’re not looking to say this is just as good, but rather hey, you can do this and still get some of the gold from the original proto, and afford it.

Not trying to place misinformation out here, I think we all are clear on that right?

This is just a thread to see who’s kicking ass with the proto, and help out a few guys like myself who just don’t have the funds to do it right. Sorry to say but some of us are in that boat.

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[quote]InTheZone wrote:
zraw wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
So who is kicking butt with the original protocol?

TB

Will report in 4 weeks.

Gonna use exact protocol except for the Anaconda…

So

-90 Alpha-Gpc
-45 2 FINiBARs
-30 2scoops Surge Workout Fuel
-15 2scoops Surge Recovery
During : -1st half : 1scoop Surge Recovery -2nd half : 20g peptopro + L-Leucine
+60 20g PP

Outstanding then.
What did you have to drop on the supps to get enough for a month?

Thanks.[/quote]

Since im doing DC training I only train 3times/week so the cost was not so bad, still expensive tough

My needs were : 2 box of FINiBARs, 1 bottle Alpha-GPC (which will last 2months and a half), 1 Surge Recovery and 1 Surge Workout Fuel. Also 3 lbs of peptopro @ 28$/lb

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[quote]zraw wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
zraw wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
So who is kicking butt with the original protocol?

TB

Will report in 4 weeks.

Gonna use exact protocol except for the Anaconda…

So

-90 Alpha-Gpc
-45 2 FINiBARs
-30 2scoops Surge Workout Fuel
-15 2scoops Surge Recovery
During : -1st half : 1scoop Surge Recovery -2nd half : 20g peptopro + L-Leucine
+60 20g PP

Outstanding then.
What did you have to drop on the supps to get enough for a month?

Thanks.

Since im doing DC training I only train 3times/week so the cost was not so bad, still expensive tough

My needs were : 2 box of FINiBARs, 1 bottle Alpha-GPC (which will last 2months and a half), 1 Surge Recovery and 1 Surge Workout Fuel. Also 3 lbs of peptopro @ 28$/lb

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Very cool, and that should be a great routine for testing the effectiveness of the proto btw. I love that DC, but had to stop as it acted as a catalyst for the disease I got in my clavicle, which was a result of heavy benching and push pressing which through the physics of the movements, focus a lot of stress on the end of the clavicle, causing microfractures and the beginning of the pathology.
Needless to say, though I miss it dearly, I will likely not engage in it for some time still.

Anyway, back to topic, yeah good for you, that will be fantastic indeed. It really seems as if the protocol of the new lifting mimics or uses a lot of DC ideas as well. So it’s double good for you I would think my good man. :slight_smile:

Cursed pepto is up there isn’t it? Damnit all to hell that’s some expensive sheet man.

Good luck this month with everything bud.

Ciao.

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Reserarching on our protocols we try to mimic the original.

I see that the timings and the place the carbs are right. That’s clear and easy to apply, but there’s something I’m not appreciating. One of the big deals about the carbohydrate in the protol close to low glycemic index (at the beggining of the protocol) is the osmotic effect. Hydrate the cell to create pressure inside.

With oat or just palatinose I don’t know if it’s enough but I’d propose add glycerol at least in the first intake, 45 minutes before with a mixture of oat and palatinise 2 or 3 tbsp.

And in the middle, palatinose alone or with a mixture of palatinose and d-glucose or maltodextrine with 1 or 2 tbsp

10 minutes before go ahead with a high spike of insulin.

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[quote]zraw wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
zraw wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
So who is kicking butt with the original protocol?

TB

Will report in 4 weeks.

Gonna use exact protocol except for the Anaconda…

So

-90 Alpha-Gpc
-45 2 FINiBARs
-30 2scoops Surge Workout Fuel
-15 2scoops Surge Recovery
During : -1st half : 1scoop Surge Recovery -2nd half : 20g peptopro + L-Leucine
+60 20g PP

Outstanding then.
What did you have to drop on the supps to get enough for a month?

Thanks.

Since im doing DC training I only train 3times/week so the cost was not so bad, still expensive tough

My needs were : 2 box of FINiBARs, 1 bottle Alpha-GPC (which will last 2months and a half), 1 Surge Recovery and 1 Surge Workout Fuel. Also 3 lbs of peptopro @ 28$/lb

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Are you going to switch from DC to CT’s new programme when it comes out?

Are you also doing the amino pulsing and less carbs during the day too ? I find this diet conflicts with the DC one i.e. less protein and overall cals.

I have been doing the new protocol/pulsing with DC too and have been loosing weight - I would ideally like to gain, but feel overfeeding will ruin the effects of the pulsing/proto. I still have a few things to tidy up though - I need the CH instead of WH, and haven’t added the Alpha-GPC yet.

I think I will have the pulsing/proto perfect in time for the release of the programme and put them both together for the stated time.

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[quote]Andy06 wrote:
zraw wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
zraw wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
So who is kicking butt with the original protocol?

TB

Will report in 4 weeks.

Gonna use exact protocol except for the Anaconda…

So

-90 Alpha-Gpc
-45 2 FINiBARs
-30 2scoops Surge Workout Fuel
-15 2scoops Surge Recovery
During : -1st half : 1scoop Surge Recovery -2nd half : 20g peptopro + L-Leucine
+60 20g PP

Outstanding then.
What did you have to drop on the supps to get enough for a month?

Thanks.

Since im doing DC training I only train 3times/week so the cost was not so bad, still expensive tough

My needs were : 2 box of FINiBARs, 1 bottle Alpha-GPC (which will last 2months and a half), 1 Surge Recovery and 1 Surge Workout Fuel. Also 3 lbs of peptopro @ 28$/lb

Are you going to switch from DC to CT’s new programme when it comes out?

Are you also doing the amino pulsing and less carbs during the day too ? I find this diet conflicts with the DC one i.e. less protein and overall cals.

I have been doing the new protocol/pulsing with DC too and have been loosing weight - I would ideally like to gain, but feel overfeeding will ruin the effects of the pulsing/proto. I still have a few things to tidy up though - I need the CH instead of WH, and haven’t added the Alpha-GPC yet.

I think I will have the pulsing/proto perfect in time for the release of the programme and put them both together for the stated time.

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No I will not switch to the superprogram when it comes out. Why ? Simply because iv’e been DCing for more than a year now and have had great results.

As far as the protocol being in conflict with the DC eating principles im not sure what you are talking about. DC recommends 2g of prot/pound. CT recommendation was to have 1.2g of protein/pound + the para workout nutrition protocol… which would put me at 330g of protein/day. I will most likely just bump everything so that my intake is always at 2h/lb (which isnt a big difference from CT recommendations).

Yes I will do the amino pulsing and I will also have one low protein day (most likely my 2nd straight off day)

As far as the carbs go, CT recommended pretty much the same thing… 1.2g/lb + paraworkout (which is aprox 150g)… which gets you even more carbs than protein…

Ill take myself as an example

Protocol = 100g protein + 150g carbs
Than you have 1.2g/lb im currently at 190 = 228

So my protein + carbs would be 328 + 378 = 2800 calories
Than the recommendation is about 80g of fats = 720 calories

Total cals would be about 3500… Ill work from there and see how it goes. If im not growing ill bump the proteins and carbs a bit.

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[quote]InTheZone wrote:
zraw wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
zraw wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
So who is kicking butt with the original protocol?

TB

Will report in 4 weeks.

Gonna use exact protocol except for the Anaconda…

So

-90 Alpha-Gpc
-45 2 FINiBARs
-30 2scoops Surge Workout Fuel
-15 2scoops Surge Recovery
During : -1st half : 1scoop Surge Recovery -2nd half : 20g peptopro + L-Leucine
+60 20g PP

Outstanding then.
What did you have to drop on the supps to get enough for a month?

Thanks.

Since im doing DC training I only train 3times/week so the cost was not so bad, still expensive tough

My needs were : 2 box of FINiBARs, 1 bottle Alpha-GPC (which will last 2months and a half), 1 Surge Recovery and 1 Surge Workout Fuel. Also 3 lbs of peptopro @ 28$/lb

Very cool, and that should be a great routine for testing the effectiveness of the proto btw. I love that DC, but had to stop as it acted as a catalyst for the disease I got in my clavicle, which was a result of heavy benching and push pressing which through the physics of the movements, focus a lot of stress on the end of the clavicle, causing microfractures and the beginning of the pathology.
Needless to say, though I miss it dearly, I will likely not engage in it for some time still.

Anyway, back to topic, yeah good for you, that will be fantastic indeed. It really seems as if the protocol of the new lifting mimics or uses a lot of DC ideas as well. So it’s double good for you I would think my good man. :slight_smile:

Cursed pepto is up there isn’t it? Damnit all to hell that’s some expensive sheet man.

Good luck this month with everything bud.

Ciao.[/quote]

Thanks ! Sucks that you cant do DC anymore :S

As far as DC goes yeah im pretty confident it will kinda “mimic” the effects of the new program. DC is a very strengh progression and CNS oriented program… which seems to be what the program in I,Bodybuilder will be

Like I said, ive been DCing for more than a year so I’ll be able to really see if I get a progression from the protocol or if its just from the program itself.

But I wont start the protocol just now ( I could i have everything already ). Im coming off a cut this sunday (currently doing the shredded in 6 days) so I wont just jump on the para workout protocol right after. Ill prolly do a good 4 weeks of “normal eating” to gradually bring my cals back to maintenance. Once thats done is when ill start testing !

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Just got my order, so starting the protocol tonight! Will keep updates on long and short term effects.

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I wont post results yet… but I will say this…

Protein pulsing + peri-workout protocol + low protein day… WORKS.

Im testing every week with an impedance test.