Whole Milk as Main Calorie Source

Nutrition
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[quote]fortune wrote:

I’ll drop the whole eggs as that will pose an issue with my fat macro’s

Macro breakdown wise I’m unsure I was thinking of the standard sort of 40/30/30.

Total macros - Cals 3200, carb 323g, fat 108g, protein 242g

From the whole milk I’m drinking per 100ml - 64cals, 4.7g carb, 3.7g fat, 3.2g protein.
So per half gallon (aprox) 1500cals, 108g carb, 82g of fat, 73.6g of protein.

So with 2 two serving of my current blend of protein on top of this 500cals, with 100g protein (unsure of f/c but low ill split 50/50 so say 4.5g of fat, 12.5g of carb)

Comes out as - 2000cals, 120g carb, 87g of fat, 174g of protein.

Which leaves me - 1000cals, 203carb, 68 protein, 21 fat.

Which I reckon is easily attainable from potatos/meat/fish/veg//fruit etc.

[quote]niksamaras wrote:
Did it. Got me from 74kg to the place I am in my avatar. I didn’t develop any kind of intolerance the 2 years I had been doing GOMAD. Now, I am drinking about 3/4 of a gallon a day, without any problems. Milk is great.[/quote]

What did the rest of your diet/macro’s look like apart from the milk? What was your gains like?

[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
Based on price and lactose content, I’d recommend a good whole milk protein powder over whole milk. You can probably find good quality affordable bulk powders. You can buy half and half to mix in with it for tasty lactose free and cheap calories. That’ll cut down 90% or so on lactose, which IMO would be an issue for 90+% of people at that many calories based on the sheer volume of grams of lactose content. BUT… Go ahead and try your approach first and let us know how it goes. If it works, then great. Calorie for calorie, eggs are pretty darn cheap too.[/quote]

I hadn’t considered a whole milk protein powder, I’ll have a look that!

  • Thanks alot for all the replies, there much appreciated.

[/quote]

Good GOD I hope the physiques being built from all of this justify this extreme nitpicking of details.

Some of these newbs eat like they are about to step on stage at the Olympia…only without showing the same progress as those who just eat more and lift really heavy shit on a very regular basis.

Prove me wrong on that.

Where are all of the freaking huge guys here who are THIS strict that they would cut out eggs, not based on the progress being made, the strength being seen, or the muscle being built, but because it didn’t fit into a calculator.

I am in awe of this.

At least be “swole” before all of this crap.

Some of you spend years doing this and I just don’t see all of the muscle so it makes any damned sense.

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I know quite a few cross-fitters on the milk/cream diet.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Good GOD I hope the physiques being built from all of this justify this extreme nitpicking of details.

Some of these newbs eat like they are about to step on stage at the Olympia…only without showing the same progress as those who just eat more and lift really heavy shit on a very regular basis.

Prove me wrong on that.

Where are all of the freaking huge guys here who are THIS strict that they would cut out eggs, not based on the progress being made, the strength being seen, or the muscle being built, but because it didn’t fit into a calculator.

I am in awe of this.

At least be “swole” before all of this crap.

Some of you spend years doing this and I just don’t see all of the muscle so it makes any damned sense.[/quote]

Reason for the level of nitpicking was down to the level of detail given in an answer so I just though I would match it.

Its only 5 minutes work to work it all out if your hand with a spreadsheet/calculator so its not exactly hard.

Plus as a student, I have plenty of time on my hands.

Basically then I’ll just have to run with it using milk/heavycream and see how it goes.

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[quote]fortune wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Good GOD I hope the physiques being built from all of this justify this extreme nitpicking of details.

Some of these newbs eat like they are about to step on stage at the Olympia…only without showing the same progress as those who just eat more and lift really heavy shit on a very regular basis.

Prove me wrong on that.

Where are all of the freaking huge guys here who are THIS strict that they would cut out eggs, not based on the progress being made, the strength being seen, or the muscle being built, but because it didn’t fit into a calculator.

I am in awe of this.

At least be “swole” before all of this crap.

Some of you spend years doing this and I just don’t see all of the muscle so it makes any damned sense.[/quote]

Reason for the level of nitpicking was down to the level of detail given in an answer so I just though I would match it.

Its only 5 minutes work to work it all out if your hand with a spreadsheet/calculator so its not exactly hard.

Plus as a student, I have plenty of time on my hands.

Basically then I’ll just have to run with it using milk/heavycream and see how it goes.[/quote]

I think he’s trying to say that the nutritional component shouldn’t be spreadsheeted, especially if limited progress is shown. That makes sense to me.

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[quote]fortune wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Good GOD I hope the physiques being built from all of this justify this extreme nitpicking of details.

Some of these newbs eat like they are about to step on stage at the Olympia…only without showing the same progress as those who just eat more and lift really heavy shit on a very regular basis.

Prove me wrong on that.

Where are all of the freaking huge guys here who are THIS strict that they would cut out eggs, not based on the progress being made, the strength being seen, or the muscle being built, but because it didn’t fit into a calculator.

I am in awe of this.

At least be “swole” before all of this crap.

Some of you spend years doing this and I just don’t see all of the muscle so it makes any damned sense.[/quote]

Reason for the level of nitpicking was down to the level of detail given in an answer so I just though I would match it.

Its only 5 minutes work to work it all out if your hand with a spreadsheet/calculator so its not exactly hard.

Plus as a student, I have plenty of time on my hands.

Basically then I’ll just have to run with it using milk/heavycream and see how it goes.[/quote]

Dude, I don’t see this working for much of anyone unless they work as a personal trainer and this is what they do all day.

Most of the guys doing this…are some of the smallest least impressive guys here.

I don’t know…but to me, that’s significant.

Way more significant than your calculations.

Show me the beef…not your algorithms.

if it’s working for you and you are now huge, GREAT.

Is it working?

Are you big yet?

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[quote]fortune wrote:

I’ll drop the whole eggs as that will pose an issue with my fat macro’s

Macro breakdown wise I’m unsure I was thinking of the standard sort of 40/30/30.

Total macros - Cals 3200, carb 323g, fat 108g, protein 242g

From the whole milk I’m drinking per 100ml - 64cals, 4.7g carb, 3.7g fat, 3.2g protein.
So per half gallon (aprox) 1500cals, 108g carb, 82g of fat, 73.6g of protein.

So with 2 two serving of my current blend of protein on top of this 500cals, with 100g protein (unsure of f/c but low ill split 50/50 so say 4.5g of fat, 12.5g of carb)

Comes out as - 2000cals, 120g carb, 87g of fat, 174g of protein.

Which leaves me - 1000cals, 203carb, 68 protein, 21 fat.

Which I reckon is easily attainable from potatos/meat/fish/veg//fruit etc.

[quote]niksamaras wrote:
Did it. Got me from 74kg to the place I am in my avatar. I didn’t develop any kind of intolerance the 2 years I had been doing GOMAD. Now, I am drinking about 3/4 of a gallon a day, without any problems. Milk is great.[/quote]

What did the rest of your diet/macro’s look like apart from the milk? What was your gains like?

[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
Based on price and lactose content, I’d recommend a good whole milk protein powder over whole milk. You can probably find good quality affordable bulk powders. You can buy half and half to mix in with it for tasty lactose free and cheap calories. That’ll cut down 90% or so on lactose, which IMO would be an issue for 90+% of people at that many calories based on the sheer volume of grams of lactose content. BUT… Go ahead and try your approach first and let us know how it goes. If it works, then great. Calorie for calorie, eggs are pretty darn cheap too.[/quote]

I hadn’t considered a whole milk protein powder, I’ll have a look that!

  • Thanks alot for all the replies, there much appreciated.

[/quote]

I remember I ate about 500 grams of meat weighted pre-cooked, also about 400 grams of rice or spaghetti, and a chocolate weighting 100 grams everyday. That is all I believe. This diet and GOMAD gave me the good results. If I ever decide to bulk again, sure as hell I will do GOMAD.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Dude, I don’t see this working for much of anyone unless they work as a personal trainer and this is what they do all day.

Most of the guys doing this…are some of the smallest least impressive guys here.

I don’t know…but to me, that’s significant.

Way more significant than your calculations.

Show me the beef…not your algorithms.

if it’s working for you and you are now huge, GREAT.

Is it working?

Are you big yet?[/quote]

I’m starting to think you have sort of got the wrong impression from this:-
I dont sit weighting out/working out every single thing I eat and breaking it down into macro’s, i dont keep track/count calories or macro’s or anything like that.

I’m using this as an example to set out a generalized guidline as it is a different approach to what am used to.

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You just wrote you are dropping eggs because of some arbitrary ratio you are shooting for.

How about basing that on what actually gets built?

How does it make sense to be a “master of nutrition” when the outcome ISN’T based on the actual progress seen?

Your macros don’t freaking matter to that degree for MOST PEOPLE ON THE PLANET.

I mean, seriously, most here barely look like they lift and they are acting like this…which is why you think it is ok.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
You just wrote you are dropping eggs because of some arbitrary ratio you are shooting for.

How about basing that on what actually gets built?

How does it make sense to be a “master of nutrition” when the outcome ISN’T based on the actual progress seen?

Your macros don’t freaking matter to that degree for MOST PEOPLE ON THE PLANET.

I mean, seriously, most here barely look like they lift and they are acting like this…which is why you think it is ok.[/quote]

Yeah I wrote about dropping eggs, and looking back from what I’ve written I understand completely what you mean/where you are coming from.

I did mention dropping eggs based upon this arbitrary ratio, but it was based more upon how much cholesterol/saturated fat I’ll be intaking rather than the overall amount of fat/trying to make it fit into a calculation.

Obviously this is all completely irrelevant/pointless if it doesnt deliver results.

At the end of the day it should be simple and people widely overcomplicate things - to put it simply all you need to do is: eat big, lift heavy, and sleep.

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Goddamnit. Don’t blindly accept shit people say on the internet. Read up on saturated fat/cholesterol yourself. THEN make your decision over whether it’s important enough for you to worry about. (it isn’t)

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[quote]hastalles wrote:
Goddamnit. Don’t blindly accept shit people say on the internet. Read up on saturated fat/cholesterol yourself. THEN make your decision over whether it’s important enough for you to worry about. (it isn’t)[/quote]

ding ding ding. Good Calories, Bad Calories, required reading

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]hastalles wrote:
Goddamnit. Don’t blindly accept shit people say on the internet. Read up on saturated fat/cholesterol yourself. THEN make your decision over whether it’s important enough for you to worry about. (it isn’t)[/quote]

ding ding ding. Good Calories, Bad Calories, required reading[/quote]

Have you read CarbSane’s blog? She’s a low-carber who has dedicated a number of posts to dismantling GCBC.

It’s interesting stuff.