Whole Food and Cutting Up

Nutrition
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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]HK24719 wrote:

[quote]willieinc wrote:

[quote]HK24719 wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
But something tells me you don’t want to hear that.
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Something tells me this is either a troll or someone who is so far off track that he need to learn the basics before posting further.[/quote]

All right, this is not necesary.

I have been subscribed to T-Nation for 5 years, and I always looked forward to each weekly update, and I have learned a lot from each article. I have always thought this was a valuable web site, and I have used it for a lot of my inspiration. A post like this is not only discouraging, but it makes me upset that a simple question is turning into a session of tearing my life apart. This is getting too personal, and yes i made a H U G E mistake by sharing some information about myself.

I was foolish to think that maybe I might inspire someone, or I can learn something.

Most of these posts told me things I all ready know and tried.

I am going to leave this thread up just so you don’t think i am some troll, but if it doesn’t make a turn for the better, I will ask the administrators to please erase it, because it is getting too personal, and this post is pretty negative to me.

I am 36 years old and I may not know much to you people, but I know plenty, and I don’t know it all, I never will, but I would not knock someone’s journey, just because it doesn’t soud real.

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This response makes it even ore difficult to take you seriously. I mean, get real, these are all relatively anonymous forum posts. Don’t cry about them. No one is tearing your life apart, so there’s no need to act like a drama queen.

As for your diet, I really hope it doesn’t inspire anyone because it’s horrible. If you’ve been following this site for as long as you claim, this should be obvious to you.

Please, go back and re-read some of the more basic nutrition articles on the site. Then ask yourself, what is it about your diet that has caused so many regular members to post what they have.[/quote]

Precisely.

This is just a guess but you likely haven’t reached your goals because of lack of info not because of lack of effort. [/quote]

I have reached my goals tenfold. If I can’t ask a simple question here, then I made that mistake. Good thing I can admit to that.

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[quote]willieinc wrote:

[quote]HK24719 wrote:

[quote]willieinc wrote:

[quote]HK24719 wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
But something tells me you don’t want to hear that.
[/quote]

Something tells me this is either a troll or someone who is so far off track that he need to learn the basics before posting further.[/quote]

All right, this is not necesary.

I have been subscribed to T-Nation for 5 years, and I always looked forward to each weekly update, and I have learned a lot from each article. I have always thought this was a valuable web site, and I have used it for a lot of my inspiration. A post like this is not only discouraging, but it makes me upset that a simple question is turning into a session of tearing my life apart. This is getting too personal, and yes i made a H U G E mistake by sharing some information about myself.

I was foolish to think that maybe I might inspire someone, or I can learn something.

Most of these posts told me things I all ready know and tried.

I am going to leave this thread up just so you don’t think i am some troll, but if it doesn’t make a turn for the better, I will ask the administrators to please erase it, because it is getting too personal, and this post is pretty negative to me.

I am 36 years old and I may not know much to you people, but I know plenty, and I don’t know it all, I never will, but I would not knock someone’s journey, just because it doesn’t soud real.

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This response makes it even ore difficult to take you seriously. I mean, get real, these are all relatively anonymous forum posts. Don’t cry about them. No one is tearing your life apart, so there’s no need to act like a drama queen.

As for your diet, I really hope it doesn’t inspire anyone because it’s horrible. If you’ve been following this site for as long as you claim, this should be obvious to you.

Please, go back and re-read some of the more basic nutrition articles on the site. Then ask yourself, what is it about your diet that has caused so many regular members to post what they have.[/quote]

I asked a simple question and it exasperated to this. [/quote]

I have every right to feel upset if I feel like I am being knocked for what I do. Now you are an expert on how I am supposed to feel. Good for you. If this was your goal to upset me, you sure did. What do you care. You can just walk away. I hope that you are happy with this. It is time to end this useless post. I knew better not to post in a forum. Good thing I have this to go by.

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[quote]willieinc wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

Bro, I do the free meal/day thing myself, but that doesn’t mean that the 6 other days of the week have to be detrimental to my overall progress.

S
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If eating 25 grams of protein every 3 hours with vegetable is detrimental, then I guess i’ll have to take your word for it.
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Somehow I very much doubt you’re going to take anyone else’s word for anything.

S

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[quote]willieinc wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]HK24719 wrote:

[quote]willieinc wrote:

[quote]HK24719 wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
But something tells me you don’t want to hear that.
[/quote]

Something tells me this is either a troll or someone who is so far off track that he need to learn the basics before posting further.[/quote]

All right, this is not necesary.

I have been subscribed to T-Nation for 5 years, and I always looked forward to each weekly update, and I have learned a lot from each article. I have always thought this was a valuable web site, and I have used it for a lot of my inspiration. A post like this is not only discouraging, but it makes me upset that a simple question is turning into a session of tearing my life apart. This is getting too personal, and yes i made a H U G E mistake by sharing some information about myself.

I was foolish to think that maybe I might inspire someone, or I can learn something.

Most of these posts told me things I all ready know and tried.

I am going to leave this thread up just so you don’t think i am some troll, but if it doesn’t make a turn for the better, I will ask the administrators to please erase it, because it is getting too personal, and this post is pretty negative to me.

I am 36 years old and I may not know much to you people, but I know plenty, and I don’t know it all, I never will, but I would not knock someone’s journey, just because it doesn’t soud real.

[/quote]

This response makes it even ore difficult to take you seriously. I mean, get real, these are all relatively anonymous forum posts. Don’t cry about them. No one is tearing your life apart, so there’s no need to act like a drama queen.

As for your diet, I really hope it doesn’t inspire anyone because it’s horrible. If you’ve been following this site for as long as you claim, this should be obvious to you.

Please, go back and re-read some of the more basic nutrition articles on the site. Then ask yourself, what is it about your diet that has caused so many regular members to post what they have.[/quote]

Precisely.

This is just a guess but you likely haven’t reached your goals because of lack of info not because of lack of effort. [/quote]

I have reached my goals tenfold. If I can’t ask a simple question here, then I made that mistake. Good thing I can admit to that.[/quote]

But based on your questions and our responses can you not see how it is hard to believe that?

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Willie, most people on here have the intention of helping you, whether they do it and come off as a dick or as a saint, that’s all your opinion.

The general consensus is that it’s not healthy to restrict both carbs and fat to virtually 0 grams a day (yes you have veggies)…

I mean even the Protein sparing modified fasts have some fat (at-least the essential fat).

I think you need to re-think your diet plan or your methods of getting “cut”. Because if you don’t, it could have some very detrimental affects. Most people here understand your desire to get cut, or at-least I do. But not by the method you’re taking.

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[quote]willieinc wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]willieinc wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Wow, quite possibly one of the worst bodybuilding diets I have ever seen. Perfect example of someone taking a small bit of information and going way too far with it -lol. I can’t tell you the number of people I’ve seen who try to eat so damn ‘clean’, that they get less than enough cals, well under the proper amount of macros needed to grow, and probably a bit of malnourishment to boot,… but they can see some semblence of ‘abs’ in the mirror, so they keep it up, all the while never actually achieving much in the way of decent muscular gains.

S[/quote]

Well i do have obsessive-compulsive personality disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder so yeah i take a lot of things to the limit. I don’t try to eat clean, i just do. The thng that keeps me so clean is the fact that one of the days will be a free meal, so there is always something to be rewarded with.[/quote]

Bro, I do the free meal/day thing myself, but that doesn’t mean that the 6 other days of the week have to be detrimental to my overall progress.

S
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If eating 25 grams of protein every 3 hours with vegetable is detrimental, then I guess i’ll have to take your word for it.
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firstly, this post is ONLY meant to help. no negativity inteneded…
honestly it is! i forget your entire meal plan but say it is 6x of those 25 grams of protein. thats 250 grams a day. thats a good start but only when you have other macros (carbs or fats) supporting the protein. your body must be using protein for fuel now due to lack of other energy sources. you really do NEED carbs or protein.

if your a carbophob, add in a couple eggs in the morning. even if its 400 calories more every morning i really doubt you’ll gain fat. your body will probably use and process it.

i used to be just like you for a couple months b/c i saw bad info online… 1800 cals a day. no FAT, only veggies and no re-feeds either. i was MISERABLE. always hungry. always cold - due to a slowed metabolism. every single little step was a battle. THEN i posted a question just like yours when i first joined T-Nation. yeah i got flamed but it was worth it. two days later i was eating almost double what i was before (3500) cals after i added in fats. i gained a bit of muscle and no fat almost instantly. but i felt AMAZING. i had energy, motivation etc.

you seem really miserable about your diet, yourself. am i wrong?

do yourself a favor and just TRY adding in calories from carbs or fats. give it 4 weeks. THEN say you do lose a little definition, you can just add in some cardio.

please listen…only trying to help

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Wille,

You really need to listen to the other some of the other posters on T-Nation. Your diet is hindering your progress. There’s no need to take things personally. Everyone has their own way of looking at things, and there is a ton of information out there, but you have a more deep seated problem than just obsessive-compulsive disorder IMO. Looking at your original postings and following this whole thread your responses are that of a person with a developing or fully developed eating disorder. Things taken to this extreme are not going to get you where you want to be. Trust me I know first hand. The big three I’ve listed below apply to your situation.

  1. W/O eating any CHOs/FATs you are hindering your body’s metabolism.
  2. You’re not going to be able to get all the nutrients you need to build / maintain muscle mass w/o eating a variety of foods and supplementing (which is why most people use supplements).
  3. Eating small meals frequently throughout the day is great, but w/o enough nutrients you can’t build anything. IOT to build the house you gotta have more than just the bricks.

v/r

Gremlin

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I did contact an administrator to please remove this post, but since it is still here, and there are surprisingly responses after my last post, I do have the need to let the last few posts know that I have read your posts.

I know that it takes time and effort to reply, and I don’t want any of the nice people here to think it was for nothing. I take everything seriously, especially with this web site, because I have done many of my routines from it.

The best nutritional advice was carb cycling, until I found better results after I took all the carbs and fats out out, and save for one day where I can eat what I want. It’s kind of like ud2. i didn’t mind going a few days restricted because I knew I’d be able to up the ante.

I see now that most of you are trying to help, and I appreciate it.
All I ask for is positivity and encouragement.

I do have a lot of problems, but I am trying to keep them private. A lot of it spilled out, and I am ashamed of myself. What does anyone care if I get hurt? and if I do, it’s my problem anyway. ell, I have too many problems and I don’t need any more to add.

I HAVE to stay positive, because my mom needs it the most. She has been battling cancer for five years. I cannot stand the fact that I cannot fix her or control what is happening to her. I stay up all night routinely checking on her every hour.

I make sure I am done with everything just so when she wakes up I am there for her, even if she doesn’t need me, I want to be ready and available. there are times I have to pick her up, because she refuses to be in bed all day. Then, I follow her - with giving her space - as she insists on cleaning the house, I watch her on the stairs, especially. Her legs are gone, and her knees are blown out.

My once 110 pound mother is now almost 200 pounds from the treatments. It is not easy to hear her cry, especially since my father died. I put her first, or at least i try to do that.

Why did I put that? Because through it all, I keep a smile on my face, and I am happy to do it. I am not as miserable as you think I may be. I am not miserable at all. This is not a pity party. Maybe you all need to know who i am. I just didn’t feel like explaining anything. I have other people I do that with. I also have God, and that is how I do it all.

Now, a lot of you think I am some rickity skeleton, or over weight. I just weighed myself, even though I didn’t think it was a good idea, I just thought to myself, let’s just see, it’s just a number that doesn’t mean much.

The last time I weighed myself was 2 years ago. I was 145. Now I am 166. am 5’7. I also measured my biceps…11 inches on the left and 12 inches on the right. Last time I measured them was actually before my birthday 7 months ago- and they were 9 and 10 inches. I have to say I was surprised.

That’s all I thought I needed to see to make sure i am not underweight, which I all ready knew, but the slightest doubt, even from strangers in a forum, makes me wonder what things are.

As long as i have striations, I am happy. One day I will be bigger, i am bigger now than I was 7 months ago. A VERY intelligent friend, who actually introduced me to T-Nation once said to me: Willie, if you can let go of striations for a while you will go beyond what you think you are capable of. I know he is right. i know a lot of you are right. It takes me time to process.

There are a lot of things he told me such as:

one day you will not have an actual program, and you will be able to work out instictively

-i thought he was crazy. i didn’t even understand that. Just last summer I “got it” - that was 5 years later.

he told me one day i will not be writing down every thing I eat and counting every calorie/macro nutrient -3 years later, I was able to stop tracing every single thing.

I have done a lot of different diets and routines through the years. All with success. The one common thing: always hungry. Even after a “refeed” I want more. I know better than that. I once allowed myself to eat as much as i wanted for a week.

I was never full. Even after passing out from eating so much, I’d wake up ready for more. I can guarantee you that if I didn’t control this, i would be that one ton guy they get out of the house with a fork lift.

I do not think being fat is a bad thing, in fact I sometimes envy over weight people, but being there a few times, myself, I just don’t like that feeling knowing that I am better than that. I do not like being skinny, either.

It’s just as gross and nerve wracking. At least with muscle all the pain is worth it. It’s the middle and even. Even as “good” as i think I am now, I am better than this. It just takes time and patience.

As for my goals, my striation goal does not need to be reached.

As for size, no i am not there. One day, even if I am 70 or 80, I will be there. Maybe one day I’ll be over straitions for a while and REALLY gain some mass.

I really hope everyone sees this post before it gets deleted. The last few posts were nice.

Now, I have a lot to process.

I most likely wrote more than I intended to, but I will realize later that I may have opened my mouth again and will feel strange about it and want to take things back. I have the tendency to be too trusting. It’s because I have learned so much from tnation, and I think there might be more to it.

Please, if anyone posts, be nice. It is a strange thing for me to ask, and it is not necessary for me to ask, but I know a lot of people out there aren’t nice. For these people, just find someone else to not be nice with. For the nice people, thanks for your kindness.

Willie

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first off i wish only the best for your mother.

but back to your diet. i truly believe that improving it based on so many of the past responses will carry over to a completely better LIFE. yes changing your diet will make your LIFE better. mood, motivation, strength, endurance, happiness etc will all improve. so many chemical/hormonal balances go out of whack when you dont consume the proper nutrients - remember some fats are called ESSENTIAL fatty acids for a reason…

please just TRY…

eating 2500 calories a day. half of your cals coming from fat and the other half coming from protein. AND keep the veggies to help you feel full. hell eat more veggies if you want. i just want to reiterate: i had the same mentality as you. i went way too low with the calories and it really did make my quality of life worse…

im not going to try to do any more convincing, but try this for two weeks. after two weeks shoot me a PM and tell me whether i was right or wrong. also please feel free to PM me if you want help with meal ideas or anything of the sort. no problem at all… ill also send this as a PM in case the thread gets deleted before you see it

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Train your arms.

It must look like you have two giant penises hanging down from your shoulders.

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[quote]willieinc wrote:
and that elimination diet makes me wonder what I’d have before bed since dairy is off- so no cottage cheese before bed, or micellar protein, this would make me think of the catabolic issues that go through the night when the body is repairing itself.
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Hmmm, let me see…

How about a tin of mackrel fillets or a chicken breast or some nuts.

Actually, I formulated a ‘bodybuilder friendly’ version of the elimination diet and TBH whey is definitely in it. Yes, it’s a byproduct of the cheese-making industry, but doesn’t seem to give a negative response when tested via manual muscle testing.

And if it does, then just buy yourself some organic hemp protein.

You do seem to have a knack for making simple things difficult.

BBB

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[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:

Actually, I formulated a ‘bodybuilder friendly’ version of the elimination diet and TBH whey is definitely in it. Yes, it’s a byproduct of the cheese-making industry, but doesn’t seem to give a negative response when tested via manual muscle testing.

BBB[/quote]

What is this manual muscle testing?

Cheers