I notice you conveniently ignored my response, which is fine.
Here’s a point for you though. If you don’t eat fat, you won’t lose fat. Your body needs to let go of fat stores and it won’t do that unless it knows it is getting more, on a regular basis.
But something tells me you don’t want to hear that.
BBB
i have a hard time believing this…
1)Listen to BBB
3)you must have destroyed your metabolism if this is how you eat all the time
unless you have massive re-feeds every few days and this is just a cut you are doing now, then i would highly suggest slowly adding in fats + protein until you get to around 3000 cals/day. a 50/50 fat/protein ratio really should be fine.
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
But something tells me you don’t want to hear that.
[/quote]
Something tells me this is either a troll or someone who is so far off track that he need to learn the basics before posting further.
OP, before posting anything else, please give us your stats.
Pictures would be helpful, as well, to assess your stage of development.
[quote]willieinc wrote:
yes, to get really low body fat levels I do not use carbs/fats, but i like to try and keep my bf levels low all the time, but as for my diet, here ya go:
here is today:
11pm: 4oz fat free ground turkey with half a bag (12oz) of raw baby spinach with 5 bags of green tea sprinkled on top a gallon of water
1:45-2:45am work out
after work out:4oz fat free ground chicken, half bag club size romaine (says serving size 2 cups, servings per container 11, sometimes I eat the whole bag) and a gallon of water
5:45am: 4 egg whites and a head of cabbage & half galon to a gallon of water
8:45am; 4oz fat free turkey with the rest of the bag of romaine, water water water
11:55am-(coming up)- 1 scoop ON Micellar Protein in very little water, so it’s like pudding or cake batter & 1 pound of brocoli or more and water to hopefully fill me enough to sleep through.
This is how I usually eat through the year. It does vary when I experiment, but I am careful of how I go about things.
I do have “free meals” or “free days”…these are not too often, but I do allow them when I am depleted enough. I just learned that the fat after a free meal is just bloat and goes away in a few days.
I know there are carbs in the vegetables I eat, but I refuse to omit them. Been there done that and promised myself never to do that. i will never eat a meal without a vegetable present. Even though they do not fill me, I know at least I am getting some nutritional content without worrying too much.
If i have gained weight from these vegetables then i say so be it. I wouldn’t be surprised.
If anyone thinks I don’t eat enough, keep in mind before I knew about the nutrition i came to know now I used to cut up by only drinking water and taking vitamins for 4 weeks and spending 2 hours on cardio…that was 10 years ago. Yes i fasted on water and vitamins. I have come a long way and i am sure i still have a long way, but I know I need to assure myself this. I promised myself I’d never do that again as well.
Now it’s me, a barbell, and what I can learn from. [/quote]
This is a complete disaster. Please do yourself a favor and read ANY of the articles on this website that discuss nutrition - if nothing else it will get you on the right track to repairing your body from probably years of sub-par and flat out dangerous eating habits.
How do you really expect to function when you are eating practically ZERO energetic nutrients on a daily basis? It’s just not feasible, nor is it in the least bit intelligent. Yes, your body needs protein, but it also needs carbs or fats (and preferably a mix of both) in order to provide you with fuel. I would imagine right now your body is trying to use the little protein you are giving it to maintain whatever messed up version of homeostasis it can manage at this point and you are actually “burning the walls to heat the house” so to speak.
Also, since your original post was regarding cutting, I would strongly recommend you re-prioritize your goals and ambitions with regards to fitness. I highly doubt you weigh anywhere near what you should to even be THINKING about seeing your abs, so focus on getting healthy first, then worry about being “cut up.”
Sorry to sound like a dick here, but go eat a fucking sandwich. I promise it will do you better than anything else you’ve eaten in the past month.
/Thread.
Wow, quite possibly one of the worst bodybuilding diets I have ever seen. Perfect example of someone taking a small bit of information and going way too far with it -lol. I can’t tell you the number of people I’ve seen who try to eat so damn ‘clean’, that they get less than enough cals, well under the proper amount of macros needed to grow, and probably a bit of malnourishment to boot,… but they can see some semblence of ‘abs’ in the mirror, so they keep it up, all the while never actually achieving much in the way of decent muscular gains.
S
Hence what I meant by the restrictive diet in my posts.
This isn’t even a diet really… most re-feed diets allow at-least 50 grams of fat a day, and I don’t see one. You’re right you don’t need supplements, you just need to eat man.
[quote]qirard wrote:
Mark Rippetoe’s Starting Strength and his other books are great barbell lifting books. You’ll learn how to squat really well!
On top of that, if you’re skinny, he recommends drinking a gallon of Milk a day. If you’re currently eating maintenance you could try only half a gallon since that will give you about an extra 500-600 calories.
I take Flameout, Surge, and Metabolic Drive but they are just supplements based around tons of veggies, yams, chicken, beef, eggs, oats, and steak.[/quote]
I sure would love to drink a gallon of milk a day, but as for milk that’s for a free meal when I do that.
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
I notice you conveniently ignored my response, which is fine.
Here’s a point for you though. If you don’t eat fat, you won’t lose fat. Your body needs to let go of fat stores and it won’t do that unless it knows it is getting more, on a regular basis.
But something tells me you don’t want to hear that.
BBB[/quote]
I did not ignore your response, it was not there the last time I was here.
I do want to hear it. The thing is, through experience, regular “good” fat consumption with me leads to higher bf levels.
and that elimination diet makes me wonder what I’d have before bed since dairy is off- so no cottage cheese before bed, or micellar protein, this would make me think of the catabolic issues that go through the night when the body is repairing itself.
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
i have a hard time believing this…
1)Listen to BBB
3)you must have destroyed your metabolism if this is how you eat all the time
unless you have massive re-feeds every few days and this is just a cut you are doing now, then i would highly suggest slowly adding in fats + protein until you get to around 3000 cals/day. a 50/50 fat/protein ratio really should be fine.[/quote]
My whole life sounds like fiction, and this is why I usually avoid posting in forums, but believe what you choose.
I call them free meals, or free days. There was an article about orthorexia, and up until then I called them cheat meals, or cheat days. I prefer calling them free, because it’s when I loosen the reins up. Now if I told you what i have in a free meal, or a free day, you would really think I am making things up, but I won’t bother typing that up, because it seems like this post is getting more and m,ore irrelevant, and it’s upsetting me now.
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
But something tells me you don’t want to hear that.
[/quote]
Something tells me this is either a troll or someone who is so far off track that he need to learn the basics before posting further.[/quote]
All right, this is not necesary.
I have been subscribed to T-Nation for 5 years, and I always looked forward to each weekly update, and I have learned a lot from each article. I have always thought this was a valuable web site, and I have used it for a lot of my inspiration. A post like this is not only discouraging, but it makes me upset that a simple question is turning into a session of tearing my life apart. This is getting too personal, and yes i made a H U G E mistake by sharing some information about myself.
I was foolish to think that maybe I might inspire someone, or I can learn something.
Most of these posts told me things I all ready know and tried.
I am going to leave this thread up just so you don’t think i am some troll, but if it doesn’t make a turn for the better, I will ask the administrators to please erase it, because it is getting too personal, and this post is pretty negative to me.
I am 36 years old and I may not know much to you people, but I know plenty, and I don’t know it all, I never will, but I would not knock someone’s journey, just because it doesn’t soud real.
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
OP, before posting anything else, please give us your stats.
Pictures would be helpful, as well, to assess your stage of development.[/quote]
As I wrote, I do not weigh myself anymore. I came to terms that it’s just a number, and all though it would be helpful to note here, the scale for me, is a trigger point to anorexia, and even though I had my last anorexic spell 4 years ago, I prefer not to chance that. The same goes for bf calipers. I got rid of them, because they did more harm than good.
I appreciate that it would be helpful, but I just go by what the mirror says.
As for pictures, at this point I would never post pictures on this site or forum… This is getting too personal, and judgmental, and I may be judging, myself, here, by judging what the reactions might be, i rather not chance that. If a few posts have my anxiety levels raised, I can just imagine how upset I’d be if I did not like the reactions I would get. Yes, I am sensitive, and this is probably the wrong place for me to be.
This will teach me to simplify things.
[quote]Dan Thompson wrote:
[quote]willieinc wrote:
yes, to get really low body fat levels I do not use carbs/fats, but i like to try and keep my bf levels low all the time, but as for my diet, here ya go:
here is today:
11pm: 4oz fat free ground turkey with half a bag (12oz) of raw baby spinach with 5 bags of green tea sprinkled on top a gallon of water
1:45-2:45am work out
after work out:4oz fat free ground chicken, half bag club size romaine (says serving size 2 cups, servings per container 11, sometimes I eat the whole bag) and a gallon of water
5:45am: 4 egg whites and a head of cabbage & half galon to a gallon of water
8:45am; 4oz fat free turkey with the rest of the bag of romaine, water water water
11:55am-(coming up)- 1 scoop ON Micellar Protein in very little water, so it’s like pudding or cake batter & 1 pound of brocoli or more and water to hopefully fill me enough to sleep through.
This is how I usually eat through the year. It does vary when I experiment, but I am careful of how I go about things.
I do have “free meals” or “free days”…these are not too often, but I do allow them when I am depleted enough. I just learned that the fat after a free meal is just bloat and goes away in a few days.
I know there are carbs in the vegetables I eat, but I refuse to omit them. Been there done that and promised myself never to do that. i will never eat a meal without a vegetable present. Even though they do not fill me, I know at least I am getting some nutritional content without worrying too much.
If i have gained weight from these vegetables then i say so be it. I wouldn’t be surprised.
If anyone thinks I don’t eat enough, keep in mind before I knew about the nutrition i came to know now I used to cut up by only drinking water and taking vitamins for 4 weeks and spending 2 hours on cardio…that was 10 years ago. Yes i fasted on water and vitamins. I have come a long way and i am sure i still have a long way, but I know I need to assure myself this. I promised myself I’d never do that again as well.
Now it’s me, a barbell, and what I can learn from. [/quote]
This is a complete disaster. Please do yourself a favor and read ANY of the articles on this website that discuss nutrition - if nothing else it will get you on the right track to repairing your body from probably years of sub-par and flat out dangerous eating habits.
How do you really expect to function when you are eating practically ZERO energetic nutrients on a daily basis? It’s just not feasible, nor is it in the least bit intelligent. Yes, your body needs protein, but it also needs carbs or fats (and preferably a mix of both) in order to provide you with fuel. I would imagine right now your body is trying to use the little protein you are giving it to maintain whatever messed up version of homeostasis it can manage at this point and you are actually “burning the walls to heat the house” so to speak.
Also, since your original post was regarding cutting, I would strongly recommend you re-prioritize your goals and ambitions with regards to fitness. I highly doubt you weigh anywhere near what you should to even be THINKING about seeing your abs, so focus on getting healthy first, then worry about being “cut up.”
Sorry to sound like a dick here, but go eat a fucking sandwich. I promise it will do you better than anything else you’ve eaten in the past month.
/Thread.
[/quote]
As I said I have been an avid reader of this web site for five years, and most of what I do is inspired from here. I have come a long way since then, even.
As for being “cut up” I have no problem with doing that myself. I usually am. I just thought it would be nice to try it with whole foods instead of my usual regime. I can actually care less about abs, because I don’t like taking my shirt off. What I like is definiton in my shoulders and forearms and chest. Abs are for teen age boys imho. I am not knocking abs, because I was obsessed with them for too long, but I got over them. They are there and they are fine. As long as I feel the vein that crosses them I am fine. I am more interested in the veins in my arms popping out all the time, like when I work out. I can all ready do this with the regimes I came up with. I just thought of trying something different. Now it has turned into I don’t know what I am doing.
That is all fine, and I have been taking it all too personal, but I have to take responsibility for opening my mouth, or in this case typing hands, too much.
If I can re post this- i 'd simply put:
How would one remain cut up with using whole foods only?
Now I have learned to simplify.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Wow, quite possibly one of the worst bodybuilding diets I have ever seen. Perfect example of someone taking a small bit of information and going way too far with it -lol. I can’t tell you the number of people I’ve seen who try to eat so damn ‘clean’, that they get less than enough cals, well under the proper amount of macros needed to grow, and probably a bit of malnourishment to boot,… but they can see some semblence of ‘abs’ in the mirror, so they keep it up, all the while never actually achieving much in the way of decent muscular gains.
S[/quote]
Well i do have obsessive-compulsive personality disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder so yeah i take a lot of things to the limit. I don’t try to eat clean, i just do. The thng that keeps me so clean is the fact that one of the days will be a free meal, so there is always something to be rewarded with.
[quote]EGYnutrition wrote:
Hence what I meant by the restrictive diet in my posts.
This isn’t even a diet really… most re-feed diets allow at-least 50 grams of fat a day, and I don’t see one. You’re right you don’t need supplements, you just need to eat man. [/quote]
free meal -refeed same thing.
[quote]willieinc wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Wow, quite possibly one of the worst bodybuilding diets I have ever seen. Perfect example of someone taking a small bit of information and going way too far with it -lol. I can’t tell you the number of people I’ve seen who try to eat so damn ‘clean’, that they get less than enough cals, well under the proper amount of macros needed to grow, and probably a bit of malnourishment to boot,… but they can see some semblence of ‘abs’ in the mirror, so they keep it up, all the while never actually achieving much in the way of decent muscular gains.
S[/quote]
Well i do have obsessive-compulsive personality disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder so yeah i take a lot of things to the limit. I don’t try to eat clean, i just do. The thng that keeps me so clean is the fact that one of the days will be a free meal, so there is always something to be rewarded with.[/quote]
Bro, I do the free meal/day thing myself, but that doesn’t mean that the 6 other days of the week have to be detrimental to my overall progress.
S
[quote]willieinc wrote:
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
But something tells me you don’t want to hear that.
[/quote]
Something tells me this is either a troll or someone who is so far off track that he need to learn the basics before posting further.[/quote]
All right, this is not necesary.
I have been subscribed to T-Nation for 5 years, and I always looked forward to each weekly update, and I have learned a lot from each article. I have always thought this was a valuable web site, and I have used it for a lot of my inspiration. A post like this is not only discouraging, but it makes me upset that a simple question is turning into a session of tearing my life apart. This is getting too personal, and yes i made a H U G E mistake by sharing some information about myself.
I was foolish to think that maybe I might inspire someone, or I can learn something.
Most of these posts told me things I all ready know and tried.
I am going to leave this thread up just so you don’t think i am some troll, but if it doesn’t make a turn for the better, I will ask the administrators to please erase it, because it is getting too personal, and this post is pretty negative to me.
I am 36 years old and I may not know much to you people, but I know plenty, and I don’t know it all, I never will, but I would not knock someone’s journey, just because it doesn’t soud real.
[/quote]
This response makes it even ore difficult to take you seriously. I mean, get real, these are all relatively anonymous forum posts. Don’t cry about them. No one is tearing your life apart, so there’s no need to act like a drama queen.
As for your diet, I really hope it doesn’t inspire anyone because it’s horrible. If you’ve been following this site for as long as you claim, this should be obvious to you.
Please, go back and re-read some of the more basic nutrition articles on the site. Then ask yourself, what is it about your diet that has caused so many regular members to post what they have.
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
[quote]willieinc wrote:
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
But something tells me you don’t want to hear that.
[/quote]
Something tells me this is either a troll or someone who is so far off track that he need to learn the basics before posting further.[/quote]
All right, this is not necesary.
I have been subscribed to T-Nation for 5 years, and I always looked forward to each weekly update, and I have learned a lot from each article. I have always thought this was a valuable web site, and I have used it for a lot of my inspiration. A post like this is not only discouraging, but it makes me upset that a simple question is turning into a session of tearing my life apart. This is getting too personal, and yes i made a H U G E mistake by sharing some information about myself.
I was foolish to think that maybe I might inspire someone, or I can learn something.
Most of these posts told me things I all ready know and tried.
I am going to leave this thread up just so you don’t think i am some troll, but if it doesn’t make a turn for the better, I will ask the administrators to please erase it, because it is getting too personal, and this post is pretty negative to me.
I am 36 years old and I may not know much to you people, but I know plenty, and I don’t know it all, I never will, but I would not knock someone’s journey, just because it doesn’t soud real.
[/quote]
This response makes it even ore difficult to take you seriously. I mean, get real, these are all relatively anonymous forum posts. Don’t cry about them. No one is tearing your life apart, so there’s no need to act like a drama queen.
As for your diet, I really hope it doesn’t inspire anyone because it’s horrible. If you’ve been following this site for as long as you claim, this should be obvious to you.
Please, go back and re-read some of the more basic nutrition articles on the site. Then ask yourself, what is it about your diet that has caused so many regular members to post what they have.[/quote]
Precisely.
This is just a guess but you likely haven’t reached your goals because of lack of info not because of lack of effort.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]willieinc wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Wow, quite possibly one of the worst bodybuilding diets I have ever seen. Perfect example of someone taking a small bit of information and going way too far with it -lol. I can’t tell you the number of people I’ve seen who try to eat so damn ‘clean’, that they get less than enough cals, well under the proper amount of macros needed to grow, and probably a bit of malnourishment to boot,… but they can see some semblence of ‘abs’ in the mirror, so they keep it up, all the while never actually achieving much in the way of decent muscular gains.
S[/quote]
Well i do have obsessive-compulsive personality disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder so yeah i take a lot of things to the limit. I don’t try to eat clean, i just do. The thng that keeps me so clean is the fact that one of the days will be a free meal, so there is always something to be rewarded with.[/quote]
Bro, I do the free meal/day thing myself, but that doesn’t mean that the 6 other days of the week have to be detrimental to my overall progress.
S
[/quote]
If eating 25 grams of protein every 3 hours with vegetable is detrimental, then I guess i’ll have to take your word for it.
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
[quote]willieinc wrote:
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
But something tells me you don’t want to hear that.
[/quote]
Something tells me this is either a troll or someone who is so far off track that he need to learn the basics before posting further.[/quote]
All right, this is not necesary.
I have been subscribed to T-Nation for 5 years, and I always looked forward to each weekly update, and I have learned a lot from each article. I have always thought this was a valuable web site, and I have used it for a lot of my inspiration. A post like this is not only discouraging, but it makes me upset that a simple question is turning into a session of tearing my life apart. This is getting too personal, and yes i made a H U G E mistake by sharing some information about myself.
I was foolish to think that maybe I might inspire someone, or I can learn something.
Most of these posts told me things I all ready know and tried.
I am going to leave this thread up just so you don’t think i am some troll, but if it doesn’t make a turn for the better, I will ask the administrators to please erase it, because it is getting too personal, and this post is pretty negative to me.
I am 36 years old and I may not know much to you people, but I know plenty, and I don’t know it all, I never will, but I would not knock someone’s journey, just because it doesn’t soud real.
[/quote]
This response makes it even ore difficult to take you seriously. I mean, get real, these are all relatively anonymous forum posts. Don’t cry about them. No one is tearing your life apart, so there’s no need to act like a drama queen.
As for your diet, I really hope it doesn’t inspire anyone because it’s horrible. If you’ve been following this site for as long as you claim, this should be obvious to you.
Please, go back and re-read some of the more basic nutrition articles on the site. Then ask yourself, what is it about your diet that has caused so many regular members to post what they have.[/quote]
I asked a simple question and it exasperated to this.