I pick things up and put them down again around 5 times a week, normally until i get tired and hungry.
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
I pick things up and put them down again around 5 times a week, normally until i get tired and hungry. [/quote]
And we’ve seen how well that’s worked for you.
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
[quote]FattyFat wrote:
[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:
<------Not going to stop training at a high frequency any time soon.
Neural fatigue is pretty easily manageable…
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Ack.
But it’s still some kind of paradigm shift if one has trained more traditionally (from a BB perspective), so far.
I’ve seen it time and again: happy haribo kids wanting to switch to HFT and going full force, from zero to wanna-be hero in no time instead of easing into a HFT scheme, playing it by ear and sensibly accumulating session volume.
Then they quit.
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My experience as well.
However, to be fair, alot of my observations on myself with regards to high frequency training (as promoted by T-Nation)are based on only a small amount of time trying it out. It has only been 2 months. And though I don’t think (yet) that it compares better than traditional methods, I do have to say I do indeed like it. And for the experienced lifter, I think it should be seriously considered in their arsenal of methods to cycle training styles with.
But this is AFTER attaining a great amount of mass and strength 1st. [/quote]
I think that’s what makes CT’s HFS effective is that it’s more of a hybrid between HFT and traditional training. You have lifts that are high frequency, but the bodypart workouts are more traditional once a week training, higher volume. Well, atleast the way I am doing it. I have to note I am not doing the program to a T, I don’t have it lol.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
I pick things up and put them down again around 5 times a week, normally until i get tired and hungry. [/quote]
And we’ve seen how well that’s worked for you.[/quote]
You never cease to put a smile on my face.
I think if CTs thoughts are actually used right they are amazing but i think people get too paranoid about being neurally fatigued and thus psycosomatically neurally fatigue themselves if you know what i mean, I use his atuoregulation principles to this day, i think out of anything thats the best thing ivee ever took away from him it really helps your training if you can do it right.
anyways i train things 2x a week but not nessecarily every muscle 2x a week, im bringing up biceps and traps atm so im training them 2-3x a week and its working very well my arms are back up to 18inch within a very short time of doing this
I think there is often a pychological agisnt high frequency/low volume as oppossed to modern 1x weekly traing splits. Many do not realize just how much quickly the human body adapts, Experience and gym time will also allow you to judge when a muscle is ready,
Slight soreness, is often no reason not to train a muscle group
Addendum: applying HFT can pose a logistical obstacle, too.
I’ve been known to weight-train as often as 12-14x a week.
I had been training in my homegym, at that time, and was a student to boot.
Nowadays I’m gymming.
And you won’t see me 12-14x a week in the gym.
On a different note: I’m in the process of putting together a nice homegym, again.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
[quote]FattyFat wrote:
[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:
<------Not going to stop training at a high frequency any time soon.
Neural fatigue is pretty easily manageable…
[/quote]
Ack.
But it’s still some kind of paradigm shift if one has trained more traditionally (from a BB perspective), so far.
I’ve seen it time and again: happy haribo kids wanting to switch to HFT and going full force, from zero to wanna-be hero in no time instead of easing into a HFT scheme, playing it by ear and sensibly accumulating session volume.
Then they quit.
[/quote]
My experience as well.
However, to be fair, alot of my observations on myself with regards to high frequency training (as promoted by T-Nation)are based on only a small amount of time trying it out. It has only been 2 months. And though I don’t think (yet) that it compares better than traditional methods, I do have to say I do indeed like it. And for the experienced lifter, I think it should be seriously considered in their arsenal of methods to cycle training styles with.
But this is AFTER attaining a great amount of mass and strength 1st. [/quote]
I think that’s what makes CT’s HFS effective is that it’s more of a hybrid between HFT and traditional training. You have lifts that are high frequency, but the bodypart workouts are more traditional once a week training, higher volume. Well, atleast the way I am doing it. I have to note I am not doing the program to a T, I don’t have it lol.
[/quote]
I think CT’s training solution is revolutionary, but for me it hasn’t really been better than what I had been doing before. But understand…I am NOT knocking it. Far from it.
And I think you’re right…reading “how” to do the program is not really the same as really learning from the person who conceived of the idea in the 1st place. I can very well be not getting the right results (though they are not bad) due to not doing something right.
By the way…Iron Maiden rules. Long live Eddie.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
But this is AFTER attaining a great amount of mass and strength 1st. [/quote]
Is that attaining a great amount of mass and strength while staying lean year round?
…[/quote]
Staying relatively lean…but not concerned about “losing your abs”.
I realize this is very individual physiology related; it is way easier for some than others.
i do
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
[quote]FattyFat wrote:
[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:
<------Not going to stop training at a high frequency any time soon.
Neural fatigue is pretty easily manageable…
[/quote]
Ack.
But it’s still some kind of paradigm shift if one has trained more traditionally (from a BB perspective), so far.
I’ve seen it time and again: happy haribo kids wanting to switch to HFT and going full force, from zero to wanna-be hero in no time instead of easing into a HFT scheme, playing it by ear and sensibly accumulating session volume.
Then they quit.
[/quote]
My experience as well.
However, to be fair, alot of my observations on myself with regards to high frequency training (as promoted by T-Nation)are based on only a small amount of time trying it out. It has only been 2 months. And though I don’t think (yet) that it compares better than traditional methods, I do have to say I do indeed like it. And for the experienced lifter, I think it should be seriously considered in their arsenal of methods to cycle training styles with.
But this is AFTER attaining a great amount of mass and strength 1st. [/quote]
I think that’s what makes CT’s HFS effective is that it’s more of a hybrid between HFT and traditional training. You have lifts that are high frequency, but the bodypart workouts are more traditional once a week training, higher volume. Well, atleast the way I am doing it. I have to note I am not doing the program to a T, I don’t have it lol.
[/quote]
I think CT’s training solution is revolutionary, but for me it hasn’t really been better than what I had been doing before. But understand…I am NOT knocking it. Far from it.
And I think you’re right…reading “how” to do the program is not really the same as really learning from the person who conceived of the idea in the 1st place. I can very well be not getting the right results (though they are not bad) due to not doing something right.
By the way…Iron Maiden rules. Long live Eddie.[/quote]
Haha hell yea eddie will live forever, spread the gospel!
Ya I wouldn’t say doing the hfs (again not to a T by any means) is necessarily better that what i’ve done in the past either. I haven’t been doing that long though, and it sure is fun and challenging in a way that I am not used to.
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
[…]
I think CT’s training solution is revolutionary, but for me it hasn’t really been better than what I had been doing before. But understand…I am NOT knocking it. Far from it.
[/quote]
It’s a framework of sorts that enables you to include a lot of work without burning out, thereby taking a lot of guesswork out for (HFT) unexperienced folks.
Just finished my first cycle of a modified HP Mass program. Pressed every other day for 4 weeks (Overhead press from pins, Flat Bench, and Incline Bench).
My chest size and bench numbers have been lagging for years. 4 weeks of HFT took my flat bench from a 3RM of 245 to 260 (while losing 2 pounds of body weight) My buddy ran the program with me and went from 3RM of 305 to 315 while cutting weight as well.
Granted those numbers aren’t huge but I sure wasn’t putting 15 pounds on my bench in 4 weeks my previous style of training to failure every 4 or 5 days previously. I enjoyed the full training cycle and now that I have re-tested maxes I’ll be running the program again with the new max training weights.
High frequency is the only thing that brings up my OHP
I’ve used high frequency in the form of CT’s HFS. I felt it helped bring up my twiggy legs.
I personally enjoy it and am in the best shape of my life right now using higher frequency.
[quote]caveman101 wrote:
High frequency is the only thing that brings up my OHP[/quote]
I’m the same.
I’ve been doing high frequency stuff following CTs principles for a while now and love training this way.
To attain hypertrophy, it CAN be usefull IF you don’t work nor have any social life and see training as some sort of therapy, OR if you’re a rich moviestar trying to put on muscle as fast as possible for playing a character and don’t have anything else to do: then you can train several times each day, provided that you stay low volume, far away from failure and far away from negatives. And yes, THEORETICALLY it’s probably the fastest way to attain hypertrophy for an intermediate level bodybuilder. Maybe you will put on 10% more muscle, but spend 3x as much time in the gym. Is that worth it? All up to you! Personally I like to see my lifetime hobby, bodybuilding, as a marathon, not a sprint (quote John Meadows). Slowly but surely achieving lasting results, learning, sharing and enjoying, becoming smarter and more effective, avoiding injuries,… that’s the philosophy!
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