So you bought 700 dollars worth of supplements to feel like crap… that’s gotta hurt lol.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Well, I feel slightly bad, but I’m OUT. I was up till 3am feeling like complete shit.
I had no solid food in the house so I actually drove out to WaWa at 1am, just so I could get a 6" sub to have something solid in me, it wasn’t the hunger that got me, but the fact my body needs something solid. The diarrhea last night was the worst of the 3 days, and I’ve partially learned what I wanted.
I can’t recommend this to a client.
Dave like you said there are other ways that work well. I know this, but wanted to give it a try. I failed, life goes on [/quote]
Im sorry to hear it didn’t work out. The thing with the V-Diet is that its just a PSMF that Biotest setup to sell their products. I guess its great for someone with strong wills (and a strong stomach) that is a complete idiot and lazy and can not figure out how many calories are in a piece of chicken, or some brocolli. If you ever decide to give something similar a try, think about looking into Lyle Mcdonald’s “rapid fat loss handbook” There is nothing really special about this diet, but its very informative and shows how to make adaptations based on what YOU need.
IMO though, the V-Diet is like the beginner’s guide to dieting. Its basically your typical hollywood fad diet that is backed up by a good supplement company. It may be right for a small portion of people, but definately not everyone. You seem to have a decent amount of mas at 5’8 and 200lbs. Are you trying to be a bb’er or look like a bb’er or are you going for a smalle look. Either way, you should probably try to cut to 10-15%, but if you are looking to be huge, then you’ll probably want to take your time losing fat and preserve as much muscle as possible. Use changes in calories to change your weight.
If you are happy at 200lbs but want to be leaner with more muscle, then you’ll pretty much be eating the same amount you are now, maybe a bit more. If you want to be 250, you’ll have to eat a lot more, and if you want to be 180 you’ll have to eat less. Do this, and do it clean and you should be on the right track.
Dont get discouraged though. Clean up your diet, and training and re-evaluate your goals and what you need to do. If you decide to try something like the V-Diet send me a PM
I dont see why you all lost so much muscle doing this program. You probably thought you were losing muscle, but were really losing just water. Sure this makes up a big portion of your muscle, but as soon as you re-introduce carbs/calories it will all come right back.
I lost 13lbs in two weeks on my program, and then gained back 13 in the following 3 weeks, and am more muscular and more cut now. I used Dan John’s 40 day program for 21 days and also increased my strength quite a bit.
But V-Diet is meant for people that are 20%+ BF. If you are close to 10% or even less you’d have to be an idiot to try the V-Diet. 28 days is far too long for those individuals.
My brother and I had different results from doing the Velocity Diet.
My experience: I started when I was about 235lbs and lost weight (15 - 20 lbs) and maintained strength about the same level as previous to the diet. Post diet - I went on a binging spree and visited fast food restaurants almost daily. After a few months I gained more weight than what I started off with and ended up at 247lbs.
My brother’s experience. He did the STRICT Velocity Diet for 8 weeks in a row. He lost a little strength but he also lost over 30 lbs and went from a fuzzy 2 pack abs to a 4 pack. He did not go back to binging and continued to eat healthier and lost even more weight (albeit - at a slower pace). He now has lost a total of about 60 lbs and is getting leaner without counting calories or weighing food (which I do everyday).
Different strokes for different folks?
Oh, and Jelena is SO HOT!
[quote]dankid wrote:
I dont see why you all lost so much muscle doing this program. You probably thought you were losing muscle, but were really losing just water. Sure this makes up a big portion of your muscle, but as soon as you re-introduce carbs/calories it will all come right back. [/quote]
You do realize you are speaking to people who have dieted several times over the years and not newbies? Do you really think I confused “just water” with muscle?
You are also pretty far removed from the weight I am last I checked so I wouldn’t expect your experience to be the same. In fact, I even specified “larger intermediate or advanced lifters”. Do you really consider yourself in that category?
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I dunno, I love pancakes, ice cream, pizza a lot. And while I was super hungry, it got to a point where I wasn’t interested in that stuff, because I already felt like shit. It gets rid of cravings, one way or another lol[/quote]
Don’t get me wrong, DURING the diet I mostly wanted meat or fish, but isn’t that the way it is when one is really hungry? I have never wanted a fucking bowl of ice cream when I was famished. Add to this the fact that the only thing you are consuming is very sweet, and there you go.
When you get back to regular eating you’ll start wanting that piece of chocolate (or whatever) that you liked to eat with your coffee before the diet.
[quote]hawaiilifterMike wrote:
My brother and I had different results from doing the Velocity Diet.
My experience: I started when I was about 235lbs and lost weight (15 - 20 lbs) and maintained strength about the same level as previous to the diet. Post diet - I went on a binging spree and visited fast food restaurants almost daily. After a few months I gained more weight than what I started off with and ended up at 247lbs.
My brother’s experience. He did the STRICT Velocity Diet for 8 weeks in a row. He lost a little strength but he also lost over 30 lbs and went from a fuzzy 2 pack abs to a 4 pack. He did not go back to binging and continued to eat healthier and lost even more weight (albeit - at a slower pace). He now has lost a total of about 60 lbs and is getting leaner without counting calories or weighing food (which I do everyday).
Different strokes for different folks?
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Dude, you don’t look like you lift seriously. Is the message still unclear?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
hawaiilifterMike wrote:
Dude, you don’t look like you lift seriously. Is the message still unclear?
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I thought the OP wanted first hand experience/opinions of people who did the Velocity diet?
I don’t want to insult the OP, but his physique is similar to mine in development (that I remember from his pic in his profile)? If I am wrong, I apologize on both counts.
[quote]hawaiilifterMike wrote:
Professor X wrote:
hawaiilifterMike wrote:
Dude, you don’t look like you lift seriously. Is the message still unclear?
I thought the OP wanted first hand experience/opinions of people who did the Velocity diet?
I don’t want to insult the OP, but his physique is similar to mine in development (that I remember from his pic in his profile)? If I am wrong, I apologize on both counts.
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My response was more to those who were responding as if the level of development didn’t matter. I apologize if that isn’t what you were referring to.
You are right, the level of development is of extreme importance/paramount.
I should have prefaced my post with “For beginners and/or overweight people who only want to lose weight - not really concerned with LBM yet”.
JFit-
I attempted the ‘light’ version around the same time “gustavopacho” was doing his ‘physique clinic’. I had 2 solid meals a day, both were big assed salads with a can of tuna. I was doing a similar ‘TBT’ workout.
I had just lost about 50 pounds in the previous 3 months. I lost another 15 or so during that month.
There are two ways to look at the results:
- I lost scale weight
- I lost muscle – my arms were like 14" after that – but, hey, I could see my abbzzzz
I didn’t like being skinny and weak. Someone snapped a pic of me on stage at a gig, and although I had achieved the waist size I wanted, all I could do was think about how small my freakin’ arms were…
Looking back, I felt like complete shit and no way did it change my eating habits or desire to eat certain foods. Pizza is pizza is pizza.
I’ve been trying to ‘recomp’ the past few months with some success. Calories only a few hundred lower than full out bulking, pretty strict carb timing, and added AM and post workout treadmill. I’ve lost a couple pounds over that time (read: very slow).
My arm growth has slowed, but not reverted, but this is only temporary until I lean out slightly (ie putting the breaks on the ‘bulk’) as I recalibrate my gain plan.
I don’t know how old you are, but you don’t want to lose that muscle because it’s a BITCH to get back.
I’d veto the V-Diet.
I tried it last summer (I’ll take just about any challenge once). I lost a bunch of scale weight, but DEFINITELY some muscle with the fat. My measurements and caliper tests before and after showed loss of both fat and muscle. I won’t be doing it again, its too unpleasant, and I can lose fat and retain muscle on a food-based diet with less drastic restriction. Progress may be slower, but the end results are better. It did help with willpower, however. Mostly because after doing that shit, any diet seems pretty tame.
Hey guys, I have a question about the muscle loss…
Isn’t muscle memory here so you can return that muscle pretty fast?
Just curiosity…
I would also not that version 3.0 is slightly higher in calories and contains Leu, which should help prevent some muscle loss.
I must say, I’ve barely eaten much today, but my stomach seems to have less fat on it. This isn’t from lack of food and my stomach not poking out due to what’s in it. There’s less to pinch there. That is motivating, but still can’t do it.
I’m going to do a “lite” version as mentioned above. Trying to stick to similar calorie content as well as macros (best I can), with 2 shakes and 2-3 solid meals.
I think the solid meal will be a huge advantage of making it doable.
[quote]matko5 wrote:
Hey guys, I have a question about the muscle loss…
Isn’t muscle memory here so you can return that muscle pretty fast?
Just curiosity…[/quote]
You say that like it is no issue being set back for months as you regain muscle you already had in the first place. Thinking like that will ensure you end up several years behind after years of training.
I did the V-Diet a while ago. A few months after that I intended to do it again, however with many changes. I added more dietary fat and upped the calories by 400 on each day, I also eventually added solid food after like… 1 day. So it pretty much wasn’t the V-Diet. I ran it for 2 months instead and got way better results.
This is boring
This is actually something that relates to bbing
I have a couple of days left of the 28-day phase and before I start the 2 week transition period and all I can say is that this is BY FAR THE MOST IDIOTIC THING I HAVE DONE SINCE I’VE BEEN TRAINING!
Don’t get me wrong, the V-Diet is effective at decreasing body fat, but so would a whole food diet that consisted of 1,300 calories a day on non-training days and 1,700 calories on training days for someone weighing 179!
I may have lost some body fat, which is great, but I have lost some muscle too (not that I was ever big though) and that’s what is so annoying because supposedly YOU WILL NOT LOSE ANY MUSCLE if you do it correctly. I think for most people this is simply not true.
As the days go by I’m finding that the shakes are tasting worse and worse and not vice versa like some people on here claim. I don’t think that anyone should go without real food for such a long time, because it’s just not natural, regardless of how bad shape they are in. With careful calorie and macronutrient adjustment, and training and supplement choices anyone can get great and EVEN BETTER RESULTS THAN THE V-DIET!
The following is what I believe the whole food equivalent is to a V-Diet shake:
Lean Meat (approx 200g raw weight for a 180 pounder)
Green Salad (medium to large bowl with NO oil just a little vinegar)
Fish Oil caps
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Mr.Purple wrote:
The whole “after this you’ll only crave good foods” spiel is of course complete bollocks.
I think anyone who has dieted at all can agree with that. I don’t “crave” fast food or eat it the way I did about a month ago when I was just maintaining/gaining, however, much of that has to do with me just wanting to see more progress. I know if I really wanted to, I could probably knock out 20+ chicken wings without blinking and still may on a cheat meal.
Going without certain foods for a period of time does not erase your desire for those foods. The only thing that can do that is full knowledge of the effects of those foods and your own desire to make physical progress.
I used to eat those Zingers cream filled pieces of crap when I was in middle school from time to time. I doubt I could stomach one those now because I see it as “fake food” with a ton of sugar.[/quote]
Excellent point.
I did the V-Diet about 2 years ago while in college and to echo what some of the other posters have mentioned here - I feel that it gave sub-optimal results while leading to a definite loss in both strength and muscle (and my friends HATED me while I was on it). But the worst part was that I thrilled by the end of it because I was too underdeveloped at the time to realize what a properly planned and executed diet can do for one’s physique.
On to Prof X’s point, I think that learning solid nutritional practices and stick to them takes YEARS of hard work - not just a quick 28 day crash course. It is, like most things in life, a mentality issue. I remember doing everything I could think of to kick cravings while going through my yo-yo dieting phase, but the thing that eventually allowed me to succeed and make a permanent change was the way I think and feel about certain foods.
When I speak t my friend and family about it, I always relate being on a diet to being a recovering alcoholic. If your mindset is “I can’t have this beer because I am a recovering alcoholic” you are acknowledging that you have a problem and that you do indeed crave alcohol. Likewise, when someone says “I can’t eat that piece of cheesecake because I am on a diet” they acknowledge that they would otherwise have eaten it and therefore that they have the desire.
The winning mentality is “I do not drink alcohol” or “I don’t eat that crap.” You just don’t think about cheesecake (or alcohol, or whatever) as being a viable food source. When starting to think this way, I would always try to think of things like cookies and pies as inedible objects, almost like the cookie was one of those specialty candles that you can get. This made things a lot easier for me because as nice as that candle smelled, you would never even think about eating a candle, because it’s inedible. It also gave me a way to enjoy sweets without having to actually eat them.
I guess that was kind of a tangent, but the point I was trying to make is that there are always numerous ways to reach an end result. If the V-Diet does indeed allow someone to kick the habit of eating crap all or most of the time (which is highly debatable but also individual) then I think it would be worth losing a few pound of muscle, especially if you are underdeveloped and can easily gain it back. For the more advanced trainees, I would hope they have found their own way of getting a handle on their nutrition and what works for them while seeking to get cut up. I personally have found what works for me, and although it is not the V-Diet, I do not regret doing it at all.