[quote]dhickey wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Dude, how many times can we go over this without you spitting Lesnars nut all over your keyboard.
As many times as it takes I guess. I have been a Mir fan for longer than I have been a Lesnar fan…in MMA at least.
Mir got beat, but it was clear he completely abandoned his gameplan. He came in thinking he was gonna get an easy submission and Lesnar obviously proved otherwise.
So he couldn’t stuff the TD, couldn’t submit him, couldn’t get up, and couldn’t keep from receiving some of the most brutal GNP we’ve seen. Yep, he was in that fight all the way. So basically you are saying he has a striker’s chance of beating Lesnar. Like Kongo, Barry, or Hardonk I guess?
Lesnar held him on the ground, punched him in head until the whistle blew and still couldn’t knock him out.
Did it look to you like he was trying to finish the fight or just hold position and beat him up a little bit? We’ve seen him do that before for 3 rounds.
Round two Mir tags him a couple of times and had Lesnar’s head swimming.
yep that was a close one. Mir had him so rocked Lesnar was barely able to take him to the ground and pound the shit out of him.
If he hadn’t of tried that ridiculous jumping knee, got away from the cage and stuck to what was working he’d of win.
This is fucking retarded. How many times did Lesanr take him down? Could of would of should of. What a bunch of shit. What if Lesnar would have let him back up after the first or second TD (can’t recall timeline)? He wouldn’t have taken any damage. But that doesn’t matter because he did let him and fight resumed.
As someone else pointed out we’ve never seen Lesnars chin tested, but the few glancing shots he’s taken have clearly made him uncomfortable.
Until someone is able to capitalize on this, what difference does it make? Mir couldn’t keep from getting taken down. He couldn’t stop complete domination once on the ground. He has some work to do before a rematch.
And I don’t wanna hear any “of course he was uncomfortable, everyone is when they get hit in face…” nonsense, you know what I mean.
I know exactly what you mean. Until it effects his performance in the ring it’s silly to talk about.
I don’t dislike Lesnar.
Bullshit. you’v attempted to discredit him in countless threads. I take his performances and his strengths for what they are. You try and change the outcome of the fights he was in like his apponents were your video game.
In fact the more I watch/think about his fights the more impressed I am that he is where he is.
This should have been pretty obvious even after the loss to Mir. he is starting with an incredible base that he has worked hard for years to attain. He is not a BJJ black belt. He is not going to win a belt in any striking organization. He is not going to olymics for wresting. He is simply and MMA HW that is currently at the top of the heap. Even if he loses to Carwin, his skills remain the same and poses the same problems to other HWs as he did before the fight. We are not going to see anything less that what he has shown us before. None of him fights are flukes.
But, I think a lot of his opponents have kind of taken him lightly. Not as in they don’t respect him, as in they think they can walk through this fake wrestler 'cause he’s not a real fighter kinda thing.
as good of an excuse as any you’ve given I guess. I don’t think there is mutch doubt that HH did this, but do you really think Mir and Couture took him lightly? Mir looked better physically than I have ever seen him. He had improved his striking as well.
Carwin will not. If Carwin isn’t so nervous he floats or pulls his punches like he did early against Wellisch[sp?] he’s gonna lunchbox Lesnar, and it’s gonna be fucking awesome.
Maybe. If his TD defense or ability to avoid damage/get up are better than Mir’s, he should fair better than Mir did. It should be a competitive fight and match-up that we haven’t seen for either fighter.
I do believe Mir can make the necessary improvement to be competitive with Lesnar. The Mir that fought him on that night was not going to beat him. His striking was nulified and he was dominated in every other aspect of the fight. Could he have knocked him? Sure, but so could any of the HWs. Evaluating fights is not about hoping and dreaming someone lands the perfect shot at the perfect time.
We saw no evidense that Mir could keep from getting taken down that night. We saw no evidense that Mir could work towards a submission or get up once on the ground that night. We saw no evidens that Mir could avoid being pummled on the ground that night.
We saw Lesnar take him down on three seperate occasions, once while his head was “swimming”. We saw hinm avoid any type of submission attempt. We saw him completely dominate possition. We saw him finish the fight in brutal fasion.
Though we saw all of these things you still see a fight that Mir should have won. I don’t know what else to say.
You are obviously getting a hard on just thinking about the possibitly of Carwin knocking him out. Clearly I am the impartial one. sheesh[/quote]
You’re right in that anything Mir should’ve done differently is irrelevent. He got beat. But saying Lesnar nullified his striking or delivered some of the most debastatin g’n’p we’ve seen is a stretch even you’d have to admit. Lesnar layed on him and got basiclly unlimited open shots and gave him a pretty nice goose egg but didn’t knock him out. We’ve seen much worse. Mir shoulda stck with his gameplan [and not used Forrest Griffin as a simulation] and tagged him 'til he could set up the sub. He obviously thought he could get an easy sub and walk out the winner like he did the first time and Lesnar clearly wasn’t the same fighter. It’s not that I’m trying to discount his achievements, just think he’s been given a little much. A middle aged Couture who hadn’t fought in 18 months was winning that fight, and the ref stopped it ‘cause Lesnar was laying on his arms and seizure slappin’ him in the face and he couldn’t defend it. I just feel that Lesnar is really overrated man, and as soon as he’s faced with someone of similar size he’ll be a little lost. Also, I apologize for calling you a dicksucker.