I believe.
These religious type posts always provoke a huge amount of responses- and rightly so. When deeply held convictions are questioned people feel obliged to express their views.
I am an Atheist. I don’t believe in a supreme creator. It seems too improbable. There is no meaning to our lives. Nothing we do matters- and consequently- the only thing that matters is what we do. To paraphrase a Stephen Hawking quote- we are highly evolved monkeys floating on a rock, orbiting a medium sized star on the edge of one of a million galaxies.
I don’t believe Jesus Christ ever existed (there is little if any verifiable historical proof of the existence of Jesus). If he did exist- why didn’t he leave any of his own writings behind? Was god illiterate? If Jesus did exist- why did he waste his enormous power cursing fig trees and the like instead of making life easier for future generations?
I don’t believe in the inerrancy of the Bible and I’m a bit leery of those who do.
Religion is a personal choice. I respect the choices others make so long as they don’t push their beliefs on me.
Epicurus [341?270 B.C.] Greek philosopher
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Well, just to add my voice I believe that yes God created the earth and that yes his son, Jesus, is the path to eternal life.
Good question.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Good question. [/quote]
Yeah, never ever heard that question before.
Previous believer, now an atheist.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
fatsensei wrote:
… who believes that God created us and his son Jesus came and died on the cross for our sins so that if we believe in Him and trust in Him for salvation that you will go to heaven.
Just curious.
FatSensei
I absolutely believe that.
Agreed. For some reason, this seems to really piss off some evolutionists who want to hold to the idea that anyone who does believe in God is an idiot who can not compare to their massive intellect.
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Well said. Agree with you 100%. Others that make me mad are the atheists who believe that their beliefs make them non-conformists. As if conforming to non-believers isn’t the same as conforming as believers. They need to come to your own beliefs wherever they may lie on the spectrum of religion.
I believe.
I like how the dogma movie talks about religion. Be religious, but don’t be extremely religious…
There are so many awesome things in nature, how could that all be an accident? Someone had a hand in it, alien or god.
- Adam
[quote]adamhum wrote:
I like how the dogma movie talks about religion. Be religious, but don’t be extremely religious…
There are so many awesome things in nature, how could that all be an accident? Someone had a hand in it, alien or god.
- Adam[/quote]
Alien I might believe, because there is that remote chance that out of billions of galaxies, other forms of life exist.
The other, no where near as plausible.
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
adamhum wrote:
I like how the dogma movie talks about religion. Be religious, but don’t be extremely religious…
There are so many awesome things in nature, how could that all be an accident? Someone had a hand in it, alien or god.
- Adam
Alien I might believe, because there is that remote chance that out of billions of galaxies, other forms of life exist.
The other, no where near as plausible.[/quote]
LOL.
Because there is no way they could be one in the same.
While I’m at it, screw whatever janitor bumped this half a decade old thread to the top.
I do believe.
I can’t believe evolution based on the second law of thermodynamics; entropy increases over time. If you do not believe that, then you are saying that the greatest living physicist, Stephen Hawking, is incorect in agreeing with this. To question this man seems completely ignorant.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
adamhum wrote:
I like how the dogma movie talks about religion. Be religious, but don’t be extremely religious…
There are so many awesome things in nature, how could that all be an accident? Someone had a hand in it, alien or god.
- Adam
Alien I might believe, because there is that remote chance that out of billions of galaxies, other forms of life exist.
The other, no where near as plausible.
LOL.
Because there is no way they could be one in the same.
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If God is an alien, or a collective for a population of them, that’s cool by me. Circular logic aside, you as a well educated man believe in an invisible being in the sky? Obviously there are varying degrees of faith, and faith itself I think is great (along with spirituality), but where does one draw the line between having some and believing the most ridiculous/outrageous stories, and accepting them as fact?
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While I’m at it, screw whatever janitor bumped this half a decade old thread to the top.[/quote]
Damn you Lanky, these debates never end well.
I belive in God, Jesus, all the angels and saints and all the martyrs, EVERY single person in the gospel, and the bible. I dont think that some of the things people tell me about God are true. Myself and God are on a 1on1 relationship, and I think thats how it sould be, not everyone going to some church and telling the workd “hey, I belive in God motherfuckers, Im better than you!” To me its entirely mono e mono. I also think God does many things for a reason. And I fucking HATE evolution
I was never a micro organism
I know (for myself) that the message of Jesus Christ taking the penalty for our sins is true.
To each his own, however, what pisses me off about atheists is that they often -sometimes unintentionally-will feel superior and more “intelligent” than believers.
[quote]adamhum wrote:
I like how the dogma movie talks about religion. Be religious, but don’t be extremely religious…
There are so many awesome things in nature, how could that all be an accident? Someone had a hand in it, alien or god.
- Adam[/quote]
Who said it was an accident?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
While I’m at it, screw whatever janitor bumped this half a decade old thread to the top.[/quote]
Hey, screw you, pal! I was just browsing around this bodybuilding website trying to come to terms with my own religious beliefs and decided I’d bump the thread for some good insight! I suppose you think theres a better place for me to go?
[quote]Dre the Hatchet wrote:
I know (for myself) that the message of Jesus Christ taking the penalty for our sins is true.
To each his own, however, what pisses me off about atheists is that they often -sometimes unintentionally-will feel superior and more “intelligent” than believers.[/quote]
I might as well throw this one out there to piss you off:
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
If God is an alien, or a collective for a population of them, that’s cool by me. Circular logic aside, you as a well educated man believe in an invisible being in the sky? Obviously there are varying degrees of faith, and faith itself I think is great (along with spirituality), but where does one draw the line between having some and believing the most ridiculous/outrageous stories, and accepting them as fact?
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Invisible being in the sky? Look, I hate these arguments because most atheists seem to truly believe they are more intelligent than anyone who could believe in a higher power…and this, from what I have seen, is very rarely the case. If you really want to know what I believe, it will take more than just one post.
I believe that we are infants as far as our understanding of our universe or its relation to others. I believe that our concept of time itself is skewed. I believe that things do not happen randomly in a chaotic manner with no reason or purpose. I believe that whatever Sunday School stories you remember that presented some cartoonish “God” with a white robe and long beard with a son who looks like Ted Nugent is about as juvenile as you can get.
I also believe that we have only scratched the surface as far as our own origin or the many things ancient civilizations accomplished that we still can’t fathom today.
Do I believe in “invisible men in the sky”? No. I believe that our current level of science just may not be anywhere in the same school house as what created life. I doubt we have terminology for what God really is…but I believe there is “one”.
[quote]erik56 wrote:
I do believe.
I can’t believe evolution based on the second law of thermodynamics; entropy increases over time. If you do not believe that, then you are saying that the greatest living physicist, Stephen Hawking, is incorect in agreeing with this. To question this man seems completely ignorant.[/quote]
I am pissed off.
you fail. Get some real science understanding and stop vomitting the pseudo-scientific intellectually dishonest argument preachers told you. I am sure you don’t even know the math behind thermodynamics. If I posed a simple thermodynamic physic problem you couldn’t even answer it.
I bet you never read Darwin’s the origin of species.
The most basic definition of life is an localised entity that doesnt obey to the second law of thermodynamic temporarily (after you die and the disorder keeps on growing). For example we absorb food and we make our system grow with it. We increase the order
I know it is more convenient to think that god created the man with holy water (or whatever) It fits so well with watching football on sunday and eating apple pies. No questionning required. God made the world and that is all. No rationnal argumenting is possible with you, creationnism is not a rationnal theory anyway.
You could try with all your heart to prove scientifically that the creation occured (even If trying to get a desired result from your investigations is dishonest)you would fail. The scientific community would still laugh of you and the flaws of your theory. But it is not important, the people who you are trying to convince is the average american who didnt do any science studies. It doesnt matter
I hate your way of writing. Intellectual pompeousness It makes me sick
Personally I don’t believe in God because humans are too fucked up. If God made humans he really screwed up
[quote]Professor X wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
If God is an alien, or a collective for a population of them, that’s cool by me. Circular logic aside, you as a well educated man believe in an invisible being in the sky? Obviously there are varying degrees of faith, and faith itself I think is great (along with spirituality), but where does one draw the line between having some and believing the most ridiculous/outrageous stories, and accepting them as fact?
Invisible being in the sky? Look, I hate these arguments because most atheists seem to truly believe they are more intelligent than anyone who could believe in a higher power…and this, from what I have seen, is very rarely the case. If you really want to know what I believe, it will take more than just one post.
I believe that we are infants as far as our understanding of our universe or its relation to others. I believe that our concept of time itself is skewed. I believe that things do not happen randomly in a chaotic manner with no reason or purpose. I believe that whatever Sunday School stories you remember that presented some cartoonish “God” with a white robe and long beard with a son who looks like Ted Nugent is about as juvenile as you can get.
I also believe that we have only scratched the surface as far as our own origin or the many things ancient civilizations accomplished that we still can’t fathom today.
Do I believe in “invisible men in the sky”? No. I believe that our current level of science just may not be anywhere in the same school house as what created life. I doubt we have terminology for what God really is…but I believe there is “one”.[/quote]
First of all I realize I may come across with that attitude sometimes, but I certainly don’t think I’m superior in any way because of my beliefs, or lack thereof. I’m agnostic, because I simply don’t know how we came about - and neither does anyone else.
I agree on your first 2 points 100%. I haven’t witnessed anything not to think that life is a random series of occurances, sometimes falling in our favour, and sometimes not. As for Sunday school, I think that was just their way of grooming us into Catholicism, and it’s strangely disturbing that I know grown men, some of which I attended those same classes with, still believe those so called “juvenile” stories with some serious conviction. And nothing will change their minds.
I think largely it’s close mindedness that gets to me, I’ve been open to many suggestions and ideas in the past, mauled them over and made my mind up from there. Well, more like put them on the shelf until further evidence is presented.
I too think that a lot of our ancestors don’t get the credit they deserve, and are hugely underestimated when it comes to their knowledge of the world.
I like your take on things, it actually makes sense.