Well sure, societies build on each other.
Tarzan was English. He spoke with a Cockney accent.
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Or, in your case, steal.
$50 Soycarlo believes they Wuz Kangz
That’s part of what I’m getting at with this thought experiment. New Guinea represents a clean slate, so let’s insert some presumably high IQ people in there and see how @TheCB believes they overcome their lack of copper, tin and horses. You can make a really long list like that, but let’s keep the example simple and focus on one step at a time.
How is basic advancement past a hunter-gatherer society possible in a place like New Guinea? What, specifically, did the people living there fail to do that some Finnish people would succeed in?
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You’re 42 years old. 42 years old! 42!!!
Well we know the Finns didn’t domesticate the horse. They also didn’t invent metallurgy. They didn’t invent agriculture, medicine, philosophy, astronomy, etc.
Well, this is just me, but I and other colleagues have a saying: “doctors read the abstract, researchers read the methods” (roughly paraphrased, it’s a widely shared view).
In other words the ‘results’ are easily readable, but they don’t mean shit without solid methods underpinning them. I have an entire folder on my hard drive full of shit studies. I keep them for reference.
Most of the discussion I have with colleagues is about the reliability of results rather than the numbers in the results. We never really ask “does that sigma really say that number?” Because math errors are pretty much non-existent in any meaningful way after the regression formulas run. Instead it’s “why did they use that formula? Why didn’t they control x or y?”.
In other words I don’t say “that number isn’t really that number, you screwed up”. It’s all about the methods and assumptions, because unless there’s misconduct the numbers are pretty much never inaccurate…it’s what goes on underneath the surface.
So my interpretation of Pat’s post is that you dispute what the data shows by disputing the methodology, assumptions, and usefulness of the model. Not the numbers you come back with. This is what I usually am doing myself. I admit I could have misread the post
You might break the Guiness record for consecutive hours awake… Take a break, dude. Your under eye bags must be touching your knees by now.
So could I. It was pat after all. Sometimes he doesn’t know what he means until you explain it to him.
42!!!
Damn I miss that forum…it’s a shame it had to die off but I know why
Well, that’s going down the rabbit hole of trade routes and their importance. I’m trying to keep my thought experiment simple and focus on the immediate problems that would have been at hand. How do you make those first steps out of a hunter-gatherer society when you’ve got abundant intelligence but no copper, tin or horses?
Perhaps it is not possible and the Finns would not become more advanced due to the lack of resources.
However, I do not understand the true point of this. You seem to suggest that some environments are too difficult to advance in. No doubt that is true. Perhaps that is the reason NGs are lower IQ than Finns. If that is what you are getting at?
I had thought of this earlier but never ended up saying anything.
“I have a big brain. The best brain really. Lots of people are saying. Stuff? I know lots of stuff about pretty much everything.
Believe me. Believe me.”
There was that one mega slut who was the cause of the whole downfall of the forum and the PM function.
Can’t remember her name. But it seems she was banging tons of members and some of their wives/GFs found out and the site got into some deep shit over it. LOL!
Pushharder posting his bare arse in the snow in Montana.
Truly those were the days of TN.
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At least that was my understanding of what went down. From reading between the lines.
Lighten up you 30%er.
For someone with an IQ of 100, you sure are cocky. You don’t see me bragging even though mine is higher.
Mrs. CB.
Part of it, yes. Like I said above, I think you might get a lot out of Guns, Germs and Steel.
The other question, which we’re really only beginning to answer, is how do populations which have not managed to have success fare when they’re physically relocated to a place where all of the conditions for success are present?
I’m not sure, but I’d be willing to bet an entire paycheck that the Somalian children who were born in Maine would dramatically out-perform their parents on an IQ test. How long does it take them to catch up? A generation? Two? Ten? Never?
You can have a long discussion about how the conditions for success come to pass, but I think it is very clear that it takes time, ingenuity and the right environmental conditions to happen. The circumstances clearly play a role. Socialists love to tout the success of Scandinavian countries, but they never seem to mention that Scandinavians living in America are, on average, significantly more successful than Scandinavians living in Scandinavia.
Conditions matter. A LOT.
It’s disease, btw. Up until recently it even killed far more soldiers fighting wars than other soldiers managed to do.
Take that with a grain of salt though. I’m only above-average, an that’s only because my momma told me so.
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