Does the fact that no one knows the average IQ for Somalians make any difference to you? Does it make you reconsider your position?
Says the shut-in that never leaves. Im embarrassed for you. Seriously. Get out more. The real world isn’t that scary.
And, it’s back.
How long have you been up ? Im guessing over 30 hours. Mountain Dew and cigarettes your fuel of choice.
And you’re still a cunt
And, it’s still here.
Good points.
Regarding being fine with ‘legal immigration as long as it is done through the proper channels.’
India and China have a population of combined multiple billions.
They churn out 10 million graduates per year, every year.
Do you think it is feasible for (chosen at random) 10-20% of those to want to move to the US and to be allowed to do so? What if 50-80% of them want to come?
Do you think it is fair for US graduates to face this level of competition?
Isn’t a nation more than just a capitalist market place that is solely about increasing the GDP?
(I’m not suggesting you are making such an argument).
That’s fine. Twojars echoed a lot of what I replied with anyways.
I sincerely wish you the best in moving away from viewpoints presented that I believe devalue humans based on skin color. Your last post didn’t go down that road and seems like you want to discuss something else.
But trust me when I say the US is going to be fine. Life won’t magically be unrecognizable here the minute I become a minority. Schools, churches, roads, hosptitals and businesses will do what they do just like any other day. Nothing to fear.
Not all at once, but yes. We’ve got plenty of room.
Your situation isn’t realistic unless you forcefully relocate people at random. As it stands, people self-select to become Americans. I don’t see that changing anytime soon. The important distinction for me is if someone self-selects to become an American to carve out a life on their own or to collect generous benefits long-term.
In the case of the latter, I don’t blame the people taking advantage of something that will benefit them. I blame the people offering it. Why would any rational Somalian pass up the chance to leave Somalia and come to Maine, where they can live in the absence of brutal warlords and be given food, clothing, healthcare, a place to live and even a vehicle?
People who come here in less-than-ideal circumstances have to adapt or fail, just as humans and all organic matter has had to do since matter started doing what matter does after life is sparked. I have the benefit of descending from grandparents who overcame this struggle when they came here penniless from Poland in the 1930’s and received no state aid. The generous state benefits we presently offer have certainly ensured that many do not starve, freeze or find themselves unable to drive across town, but I think the argument can be made that they’ve hindered the adaptive process for many large populations.
Again, that’s another discussion.
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If we can remain civil (including myself of course), I am happy to discuss.
I think the suggestion that race is merely skin colour is demonstrably untrue. For example my much earlier post alone, of a Government agency specifically asking for black blood donations, shows this.
I’m not of the view that races are wildly different of course. I think that racial differences are caused by evolutionary changes over time. This has resulted in races having different strengths and weaknesses at the group level.
I do not agree with your last point. I don’t think it can just be presumed it “will be fine” if a nation becomes more and more of a combination of disparate groups. US immigration has only changed since 1965, it has historically been a nation only accepting very similar people, almost entirely white Europeans. So similar, that they didn’t really even need to ‘assimilate’ much at all.
Humans have chosen to organise themselves into groups for tens of thousands of years, along lines of similarity, for understandable reasons. The main one being that humans are tribal in nature, and will become extremely violent when deemed necessary.
I strongly believe it is not a good idea to just put any and everyone onto the same patch of land and just say “oh no need to worry, we’re all Americans now.” This view is emphasised by the large scale anti white/anti west/anti imperialist/whatever outlook, that is relentlessly taught in white majority nations’ educational policies and is a view held by large numbers of people moving into these nations.
I do worry that this is an extremely dangerous experiment that is being played out currently across much of the West.
I do believe that there is a strong under current of anti white sentiment fomenting in the West, and this is another reason why I am concerned with whites rapidly becoming minorities in their own nations.
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As a quick example, Bernie Sanders is running for President. He has just made a speech where he said America will “go to war with white nationalists if necessary.” This just seems utterly insane to me.
A country founded by whites, with a white majority, that was nearly 98% white just a century ago, has a Presidential candidate openly stating this.
I feel if the words white and America were replaced, the insanity of this stands out even more.
Eg a Nigerian presidential candidate has just come on TV and said Nigeria will “go to war” with native black Africans if necessary. A country founded by black Africans and with a black African majority population. Because these black Africans need to realise this country belongs to a mix of Mexicans/Chinese/etc now.
I cannot comprehend this stuff, and I really do think it will lead to wide scale violence against whites eventually.
Awesome, I will put that on my shelf of classics next to Steinbeck, Voltaire and To Kill a Mockingbird
But we’ve had black, Asian, Hispanic people here long before that. And somehow we managed. And of course Europeans had to assimilate. And this country has become a mixture of cultures for a long time. Which is becoming outdated anyways in the age of the internet. Kids today have so much in common with kids from other countries. If language wasn’t an issue these kids could come together in one spot and they’d be watching the same movies, memes, games etc. They already are. Our country is working with people in other countries all the time. People are becoming more similar not less. And this will only continue.
So is your beef with the people we have had here simply having higher comparative numbers to whites? Because they didn’t come after 1965. Some of them were here before your ancestors immigrated. I’m ok with not having an overwhelming majority. I feel confident in my abilities as a person to live in a society where not everyone looks like me.
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Really? I still see a landscape that is completely dominated by people who look like me. You want to look at political positions of power? You want to look at wealth? You want to look at pro team owners? CEO’s? I don’t look at America and think I’m in trouble because no one with my skin color has anything.
I wouldn’t have said go to war with but maybe phrase it as attack the idea. Here’s Webster: “one of a group of militant whites who espouse white supremacy and advocate enforced racial segregation.”
I’ll fight that and most would. The number of whites or the percentage it was a century ago is irrelevant. I don’t feel that has any place in our country and I wouldn’t associate with anyone who does. It runs counter to everything we were founded on.
I’m confused are you defending those ideas or saying they shouldn’t be fought against? Because that seems incredibly against how I view America. And a lot more white people feel like I do than feel like white nationalists.
I probably wouldn’t have phrased it the way he did like I said but I would prefer that to the idea that good people exists on both sides. If one side is Nazi’s they aren’t good people. Surely you agree?
I couldn’t disagree more. You’re far more likely to die from a white person. I haven’t looked at recent statistics but from a quick wiki look it seems like the murder rate per 100000 was like 10 in 1980 and 4 or something in 2016. So with this decline in our majority you became less likely to be murdered. Doesn’t sound like the decline had that effect.
I think the idea that everyone is going to come and kill all the white people is an insanely irrational fear.
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Can you explain this? Isn’t that what we do already? We have a patch of land and essentially everyone says they are Americans and follow the laws and rules set out. We can always find weirdos and outliers but on the whole we have lots of different races already who all claim to be Americans. Because they are. It seems like you’re thinking next year everyone from all over the world is coming to America in insane numbers or something. That would be bad. But it’s not happening.
I work in a lot of different schools and again you can find things that back up what you’re saying but it’s completely wrong to think that the American education system on the whole is centered around anything anti-white. I would find it incredibly hard to believe that you are more familiar than me with the state standards followed by public schools. That’s what I do for a living. Although I’m more familiar with and experienced with the state standards in the areas around Kansas as that is the region I’m assigned.
I can assure you in the vast majority of public schools in the U.S. students will be exposed to white people much more frequently than anyone else. I’m not saying that’s good or bad merely that it’s true.
I apologize for the broken up nature of replies. My daughter can’t sleep tonight and keeps coming out and the wife is out of town.
Cheers for the posts. I will hopefully respond to the points of contention.
I do not think “everyone is going to come and kill all of the white people.”
I think that putting seemingly unlimited (as no one in favour of mass immigration ever seems able or willing to put numbers on it) amounts of people from anywhere in the world into America is an illogical notion for a number of reasons.
Chief among them, in regard to this particular point, is that humans are tribal. Groups are in constant conflict with each other for various reasons. Just look at the current situation with black African Muslim members of Congress being denied entry into Israel. These are thousand year old conflicts (Muslims vs Jews in the Middle East), which should have nothing at all to do with the US. The US is a Christian nation on the other side of the planet. It cannot be the entire world.
When a society has less and less in common, through such things as race, religious belief, culture, it is going to become more based on identity, not less, in my view. That is why “identity politics” has popped up. It is why, by and large, all blacks will have voted Obama into office. Yet if a white votes for Trump, he is a ‘deplorable’, a racist, a beneath contempt thick idiot. A Nazi!!! As has been shown in this thread “oh you must be one of the bottom 10% you fucking stupid scumbag.”
Can’t you see where this is going to go over the next X decades? Whites are being positioned as nothing but “racist” if they so much as dare to think in terms of their group. Is that going to end well? They are being rapidly replaced in America and demonised for even daring to speak about it.
‘Diversity’ and ‘diversity quotas’ is just another element of this. What ‘diversity’ really means is FEWER WHITES, especially heterosexual, male whites (the absolute lowest of the low. The oppressors/racists/sexists). This is disastrous.
Look at how the Dems speak about whites, the majority, already. Presidential candidates openly saying they are ‘deplorable’ and that anyone concerned with white interests, will ‘lead to a war.’ These are people trying to become leaders of the nation, stating they literally hate the majority of the citizens.
Why do the Dems do this? Why do the Dems want no border in the South (by definition, how can a nation even exist without enforceable borders?).
Because by and large non whites vote for Liberal parties (eg large swathes of South America). Dems want non white immigrants as they almost entirely vote for Left wing parties. They want as many poor foreigners reliant on the State as possible, in order to increase their power and the power of the Government. (Never mind the country is $22 TRILLION in debt, these people are often poorly educated, cannot speak English, have a low intelligence level, and that millions of low paid jobs are imminently going to disappear due to automation).
Changing demographics are going to lead to Texas (Texas!!) becoming a permanently blue state. Texas isn’t going to be blue due to the changing outlook of the white natives becoming ever more ‘liberal’. It is going to be blue due to the direct replacement of those people.
Fast forward X years from now. Due to immigration, the Dems are in perpetual power. Whites continue to be demonised. Every group can continue to outright blame whites for everything.
- This group is poor due to slavery
- This group is poor due to US foreign policy
- This group is poor due to racism
- Whites stole this land
There is almost zero nuance allowed to those 4 points, as this thread has already shown. The main reason for that is the current educational policies, particularly as most of academia is dominated by the Left and their Marxist belief that every single aspect of humanity is a zero sum game.
At some stage, whites will become a minority in their own land, will not be able to vote for their own interests (the Dems are already openly anti white, and whites are currently the majority!), and non whites will have been taught that all of their historic and current problems are the fault of white people. This is not good. (Factor in the Dems obsession with gun control as well; who owns almost all the legal guns in the nation - whites).
Aside from this particular element (non whites vs whites), I believe there will be less societal cohesion over time due to differences between groups. This is just human nature. It is the reason nations exist in the first place. Jews are incredibly ethnocentric in their behaviours in the US and will continue to be so. This is replicated across all groups, ironically enough, whites are the least, not the most, like this. It can be called “racist” but it is just reality.
It is very simplistic to imagine that America is a utopia where anyone can move and become an American, and there are not even limits on the numbers who can arrive. What is large group of dirt poor Christian Mexicans going to have in common with a group of rich Jews born in the US and another group of Muslim blacks from Africa? That they are all American? It just seems silly to me.
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Out of interest, do you believe unlimited groups of people from anywhere in the world could move to China and become Chinese? Or move to Saudi Arabia and do the same?
Could 30 million Mexicans move to Saudi Arabia and be Saudi Arabian upon touching the soil?
Could 40 million Nigerians arrive in China and become Chinese as soon as they receive a Chinese passport?
Tribalism in Israel? They were not denied entry because they are Muslims and they both weren’t black. There are Arab Israelis. Black Israelis. Muslim Israelis. They were denied entry because of Trump, which is a different tribalism altogether.
I have my nieces birthday party but I will respond in full afterwards. However I’m very curious if after I said what I said about Bernie’s comments if you still feel the same way about it.
I should have been clearer.
Omar is a Muslim.
It is a poor analysis to say that she was denied entry ‘because of Trump.”
She is a fervent critic of Israel. It is not credible to deny that her religious beliefs play less than a significant factor in her views.
She is a strong critic of almost everything in the West and America also.
She is a good example of someone moving to America, gaining some power and then behaving in an extremely tribal manner, against the majority views of the nation. I do not see how such a person relentlessly sowing discord, is of any benefit to the country.
It’s not poor analysis when it’s what happened.
She is critical of Israel and Saudi Arabia.
She is not as critical of the West as you might think. It’s the West that allows her to have an active role in politics and receive a higher education. She knows these things.
Hopefully this will answer the Bernie element.
Firstly, his choice of “war” cannot be quickly dismissed. This was in an event running for the Presidency. It is a VERY inflammatory word to use. He has since repeated this word in tweets, which have already (under 48 hours) received hundreds of thousands of ‘likes.’
On top of that, he and the Left have started to change some of their language. Now WN and WS mean the same thing. In my view, they aren’t. I’d say WS is about eradicating other people and that WN is more to do with maintaining society/the nation.
I feel this is done intentionally, so that for example, ANY questioning of mass/unlimited immigration can be dismissed as being “racist” and therefore evil.
I also feel it is relevant to state that Bernie Sanders is Jewish.
I do not believe people would think it acceptable for a white Christian to run for President in Israel and state:
“If the Jews in this country don’t want non Jews to live here, then we will go to war with them!”
And then, if the majority Jewish population did disagree, they would be derided as “deplorable” “racist” “Jewish Supremacists.”
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‘Beto’ O’Rourke (hmm why has he abbreviated his name to ‘Beto’ I wonder?)
In an effort to no doubt out do his fellow Dem opponent Sanders, has just now made a speech stating “this country was founded on racism - and is still racist today!”
Why is he making this statement, aside from to ratchet up anti white sentiment among the non white Democrat voters (and again, whites are in the majority while this is being done! Imagine the rhetoric in a few decades).
His statement has been unsurprisingly pounced on by Ilhan Omar, who says “we must acknowledge our past” followed by a black fist emoji.
First, “our” past? Since it is “our” past, would she be willing to pay reparations for slavery? Why not?
Secondly, why has a Congresswoman chosen to follow this up with a Black Power symbol (the fist)?
If a white political leader did any of this stuff, there would be instant, nation wide riots.
Trump - “if blacks don’t like what is happening to this nation, there is going to be war!”
She also knows full well that banging the tribal identity politics drum as loudly as possible, and at every opportunity, is beneficial for her. That is why she does it.