[quote]Chushin wrote:
red bull wrote:
Chushin wrote:
So far it sounds like you’re describing Lixy…
Well there you have it.
Respectfully Chushin, to you lixy goes on and on and on, post after post, relentlessly and unmercifully.
And do you agree or disagree with that perspective?
And maybe, while not explicitly stated, you feel that certain posters who might essentially share some of his political views - perhaps posters like myself - should do more to reproach him. While instead they (we?) choose not to…
No, I don’t especially feel that you or anyone elshould do anything to “reproach” him. Supporting his nonsense, on the other hand is something else. (Not saying that YOU do).
For me, PRCalDude is your lixy. The stuff he posts in here - his own delightful descriptions and observations of muslims, the mockery, the condescension, the sheer delight in it - is just as offensive to me as lixy’s ‘U.S. baby killer’ tags are to you.
I can understand that.
And like lixy’s comments, they too pass by unnoticed without even the slightest raised eyebrow from yourself, or other posters.
Please. Do not presume to tell me what I notice or what my eyebrows do or do not do.
But does that accurately describe your reaction to Lixy’s posts?
Maybe that’s the way it will always be…
Until people learn to look to their own faults, weaknesses and biases first, I’m afraid you will be right.[/quote]
Hi Chushin. Thanks for your reply.
Look bro, my apologies for any presumptions on my part. No more speculation over your eyebrows, or what kind of theatrics you may or may not be able to pull of with them!
But there is something I have to get off my chest before I answer the one question which you actually put to me. And that something is nothing less than the whole damned lixy saga.
Now, as you are probably aware, I’m a newcomer to these forums. Even so, I can tell that this whole problem, this mega issue with lixy has quite a history. It’s been brewing for some time, correct? But even still, my understanding is that things really started to reach a peak only recently, perhaps in the last three or four months. At any rate, that’s when I first started to notice the calls for ostracism, ignoring, flaming and even - unless I’m mistaken - banning, from some quarters! And so what I want to say is this:
I don’t know lixy from adam, but this drama surrounding him has gone too far.
You have got ONE guy who has now become the absolute embodiment of a scapegoat. Political forums not feeling too warm and fuzzy of late? Blame lixy. Non-muslims/non-Arabs starting to get ‘put out’ over Islam? Blame lixy. Turkish kebab guy looks at you funny? Well you know who to blame…
When someone gets blamed for just about everything, doesn’t it make you start to wonder? I mean really, isn’t that precisely one of the most valid criticisms about muslims/arabs - one which I agree with to a large extent btw, and one which many, many Arabs and muslims do too - that they love, absolutely love(!), to revel in self-pity and a kind of self defeating fatalism? That every single bad thing in their universe - political, economical, spiritual - is not their doing but instead down to the big bad West??
That’s rubbish, right? There’s only so much blame which we can attach to one thing, one person, one entity. Like you said, we have to look at ourselves too.
So back to lixy. How the hell is one guy literally, singlehandedly becoming all that is bad on this forum??! Even - and forgive me for referencing one of your more personal shared sentiments (but one which I thought was both both brave and honest, whether you appreciate it or not) - the idea that he is turning YOU into something you ‘once were not’, almost - and I do stress the word - corrupting(?) or maybe to use a better word, ‘defeating’ a man himself!
Christ, the guy starts to sound less like a man and more like a cancer! Indeed, I’m suddenly reminded that perhaps that very word has already been used…
Now, let me make one thing absolutely clear. As I said, I don’t know lixy from adam! I sent him one PM, about two months ago, when I first joined here and really started to see what kind of bitterness - on both sides - was on these boards. But, keeping in line with my general sentiments, I told him that I was shocked by what I saw as some of the most extreme examples - in terms of volume, content and style - of Arab/Islamaphobia on a website. He replied, and that was that.
It is obvious that PRCalDude and I do not exactly see eye to eye. I reply or take issue with his posts, and he does the same with mine. I don’t think he argues or posts in ‘good faith’ for one second - just as you and many others think of lixy. But you will not see me starting to consider the start of a group shunning, the leper treatment (of calls for which, I am not accusing you). Or even, that he is capable of turning me against my better judgement.
But to finally answer your question. Do lixy’s posts make me raise that figurative eyebrow?
Yes, I know that some of them have done, and I am sure that they will do so again in the future. But which ones?
Essentially, and with regard to the Iraq War, I share the same beliefs as him - namely that it was not just ‘very wrong’ or even terribly wrong but utterly and irredeemably immoral.
In that sense, I also believe - as I think he does - that there DOES have to be a continuing sense of soul searching, or self-reflection, from the countries and their citizens involved.
I also share his rejection of the idea that the casualties of the Iraq War should not even begin to be compared/discussed in the same breath as the horrendous loss of life which one country - for the most part - suffered on 9/11.
Where I do think lixy and I would disagree is not so much on the political, but rather on some very specific social issues - homosexuality and gay rights in muslim countries for example, or perhaps just how far Europe should go in accommodating all manner of things related to the ‘muslim issue’ - and precisely how muslim communities should conduct themselves in non-muslim countries. Perhaps there are others, but if you told me - really conveyed one of those beliefs which you and others feel really characterizes his ‘take’ on the subjects we discuss on this board - then tell me what they are and I will tell you what I think.
And lixy, apologies for putting words in your mouth if I have done so…
