[quote]red bull wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Still, no one here wants to talk about the actual hate preached by Imams and contained in Islamic doctrine itself, or whether or not we have anything to genuinely fear from Muslims, or whether the acts of 9/11 were a valid expression of enjoinders to wage jihad contained in Islamic jurisprudence…
and on and on it goes, ad nauseum…
The reason why nobody wanted to debate all these issues in this particular thread - issues which, no doubt, you lose countless hours of sleep over every night - is because they had nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with the subject at hand.
Nothing that is, until you chimed in with another piece of carefully rehearsed diatribe.
From a youtube video showing inner city (possibly racially motivated) violence in the UK and a rather ‘popular’ discussion on whether white people suffer an inordinate amount of racial violence in US/UK cities…to 15th century atrocities committed by the savage muslim hordes.
Wow! How did we end up here? Oh wait - you dragged us here again.
Elsewhere you wrote:
"…which is why you see Central Asians, Somalis, and Malays with ridiculous Arab names dressing and acting like wannabe 7th century Arabs, praying to Arabia and its fallen space rock in covered in the Kabbah in Mecca, and following an Arab prophet, and asking, “How high?” whenever the Arabs say, “JUMP!”.
What puerile comments! What school yard rubbish you sink to!
What are these ‘ridiculous’ Arab names that you speak of? Are they Ibrahim, or Malik, or Omar? Or even, god forbid, Muhammad? Are these the names which strike you as so ridiculous on a Malay, an Uzbek, or a Tamil…?
Is it perhaps those with more flamboyant appellations - the hapless ‘Ali Addul-rahmans’ or ‘Sajid Haider Khans’ of this world that you object to so much?
Or is it, finally, the ‘hajis’ - that most dreaded string of syllables?
Why on earth should any of these Arab names sound ridiculous - whether on an Arab or non-Arab?
Do countless South American, Indian or Filipino Christians suffer under a similar strain of ‘ridiculous’ western Christian names? Do the Gonzales’, Fernandes’ and De La Cruze’ of Latin America and Asia also deserve your abject scorn for ‘playing padre’, for aping the civilizations that bought them Christianity?
What of their prayers to European saints, their faithful obedience to the Pope, or their fervent celebrations of all number of Western/Christian rites and rituals?
Or is the answer just this simple? Because such things come from enlightened Christianity, not hopelessly - and inherently - bedeviled Islam…
But of course, I forgot. You don’t really hate all these non-Arab muslims, do you? In fact, it’s precisely the non-Arabs, the ‘natives’ themselves, who your sentiments lie with! You’re on their side! If only these people could open their eyes, and throw off the yoke of centuries old Arab/muslim oppression. Yes, that sounds about right. PR CalDude, ever the man of the people! Unless the people happen to be muslim…
What a facile outlook. As if non-Arab muslims are so unaware of the lingering sentiments of Arab cultural superiority. As if non-Arab muslims are not confident enough, not secure enough in precisely their own identity as non-Arab muslims to have their own prejudices, their own laughs at the expense of such traditional Arab haughtiness.
As if they are not perfectly aware of the trappings of Arab culture and tradition which are so entwined with Islam…and yet still fondly, and with sound mind, willing to accept Islam.
Instead, all you can do is reduce them to the level of wannabees
…‘pretend’ arabs.
What arrogance! But then again, what little surprise. After all, there is indeed a great deal of arrogance in you. For in your own words, if anything can ‘redeem’ this shitty thread, hope lies with your off-topic history discussion (a euphemism if ever there was one!) So there we have it folks. PRCalDude…The Redeemer!
You, and your discussion, redeem nothing. You offer nothing. No genuine insight, no meaningful experience to draw upon…just the same old tired links to jihad-watch at every opportunity.
You once called me an arab apologist. That was after I pointed out your rather un-Christ like attitude towards the suffering of Palestinians, something which you seemed almost hurt by (such sentiment!)…
Perhaps now you will call me an arabist. But whatever I am, what you are is certain: sadly, nothing more than a modern day internet crusader, one with scant real understanding of his enemy but secure nevertheless in the knowledge that ‘the cross will triumph over the crescent’…but most of all, everywhere and ever ready to fight the good fight against the great ‘Muslim lie’.
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Good to see I’ve ticked off another Islamist.
What’s your name btw? Mohammed? Ibrahim? How are the martyrdom operations going these days? Still praying to that rock in Arabia?