The Muslim-on-kaffir hate crimes in the United States appear to be much greater than the other way around. It’s natural, but not justifiable, that people would react adversely to the Muslims in their midst who may be plotting against them. [/quote]
Oh, well it’s nice to see you have rationalized the problem.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Hell, after 9/11, many Indians or those of middle eastern decent were targeted directly so where are you getting this point of view?
That is a Muslim lie.
Whites have never in history suffered the most from hate crimes based on race.
Perhaps you’re unfamiliar with the Arab conquest of Spain, which stemmed from an Arabist supremacism known as Islam? It’s the same ideology that killed millions of Hindus on the Indian subcontinent when the Arabs ruled it. Perhaps you’re unfamiliar with the Barbary powers, who enslaved several million Europeans they captured in pirate raids staged out of Arab north Africa? We could get into the Turks at Constantinople in 1453 or at the gates of Vienna in 1683 as well. I’m sure any Greeks here could say a thing or two about living under Turkish rule.
I was speaking of America but I do appreciate the world history lesson. Maybe we can get into that further later.
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Just to make sure everybody’s on the same page, the Arabs who conquered Spain were white.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Hell, after 9/11, many Indians or those of middle eastern decent were targeted directly so where are you getting this point of view?
That is a Muslim lie.
Whites have never in history suffered the most from hate crimes based on race.
Perhaps you’re unfamiliar with the Arab conquest of Spain, which stemmed from an Arabist supremacism known as Islam? It’s the same ideology that killed millions of Hindus on the Indian subcontinent when the Arabs ruled it. Perhaps you’re unfamiliar with the Barbary powers, who enslaved several million Europeans they captured in pirate raids staged out of Arab north Africa? We could get into the Turks at Constantinople in 1453 or at the gates of Vienna in 1683 as well. I’m sure any Greeks here could say a thing or two about living under Turkish rule.
I was speaking of America but I do appreciate the world history lesson. Maybe we can get into that further later.
Just to make sure everybody’s on the same page, the Arabs who conquered Spain were white.[/quote]
Arabs are white? Haven’t you told us numerous times they’re Semites, or was that will-to-power who said that?
Arabs don’t operate out of a Western cultural tradition and they don’t originate from Europe. I have a hard time believing they’re white.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Hell, after 9/11, many Indians or those of middle eastern decent were targeted directly so where are you getting this point of view?
That is a Muslim lie.
Whites have never in history suffered the most from hate crimes based on race.
Perhaps you’re unfamiliar with the Arab conquest of Spain, which stemmed from an Arabist supremacism known as Islam? It’s the same ideology that killed millions of Hindus on the Indian subcontinent when the Arabs ruled it. Perhaps you’re unfamiliar with the Barbary powers, who enslaved several million Europeans they captured in pirate raids staged out of Arab north Africa? We could get into the Turks at Constantinople in 1453 or at the gates of Vienna in 1683 as well. I’m sure any Greeks here could say a thing or two about living under Turkish rule.
I was speaking of America but I do appreciate the world history lesson. Maybe we can get into that further later.
Just to make sure everybody’s on the same page, the Arabs who conquered Spain were white.[/quote]
Jesus’ lineage is much harder to trace than that of, say Al-Walid Bnu Abd-Al-Malik. What with his miracle birth and all.
Relatively, the amount of information available to us from the Umayyads’ period is pretty extensive. And technically, the invasion of Spain was at the hands of a Berber, not an Arab.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
So was Jesus.
Jesus’ lineage is much harder to trace than that of, say Al-Walid Bnu Abd-Al-Malik. What with his miracle birth and all.
Relatively, the amount of information available to us from the Umayyads’ period is pretty extensive. And technically, the invasion of Spain was at the hands of a Berber, not an Arab.[/quote]
[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
So was Jesus.
Jesus’ lineage is much harder to trace than that of, say Al-Walid Bnu Abd-Al-Malik. What with his miracle birth and all.
Relatively, the amount of information available to us from the Umayyads’ period is pretty extensive. And technically, the invasion of Spain was at the hands of a Berber, not an Arab.[/quote]
Of course. It’s all the Berbers’ fault. And the Berbers kept it up for the next 700 years and are trying to re-conquer it now, right? You’re an Arab, aren’t you lixy?
[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
So was Jesus.
Jesus’ lineage is much harder to trace than that of, say Al-Walid Bnu Abd-Al-Malik. What with his miracle birth and all.
Relatively, the amount of information available to us from the Umayyads’ period is pretty extensive. And technically, the invasion of Spain was at the hands of a Berber, not an Arab.[/quote]
Whoops! You seem to have some historical facts again in error. The Moorish invasion was led by a Berber (after their forced Arabization), but it included many Arabs and was under the orders of an Arab Umayyad Caliph: Al-Walid ibn Abd al-Malik, who was a member of the Meccan tribe: Banu Abd Shams.
I wonder why you would have left those facts out?
Abd al-Malik, who you mentioned above, was an Arabist just like you’re Sunni organizations today such as Al Qaeda and the Ikhwan.
Perhaps you’re unfamiliar with the Arab conquest of Spain, which stemmed from an Arabist supremacism known as Islam? It’s the same ideology that killed millions of Hindus on the Indian subcontinent when the Arabs ruled it. Perhaps you’re unfamiliar with the Barbary powers, who enslaved several million Europeans they captured in pirate raids staged out of Arab north Africa? We could get into the Turks at Constantinople in 1453 or at the gates of Vienna in 1683 as well. I’m sure any Greeks here could say a thing or two about living under Turkish rule. [/quote]
What about the Mamelukes slaves in Egypt who defeated the Mongol drive to the West? These people were white slaves from the Caucasus. Hell, the word “slave” was based on the word “slav” and I’m pretty sure the Slavs are white people.
Perhaps you’re unfamiliar with the Arab conquest of Spain, which stemmed from an Arabist supremacism known as Islam? It’s the same ideology that killed millions of Hindus on the Indian subcontinent when the Arabs ruled it. Perhaps you’re unfamiliar with the Barbary powers, who enslaved several million Europeans they captured in pirate raids staged out of Arab north Africa? We could get into the Turks at Constantinople in 1453 or at the gates of Vienna in 1683 as well. I’m sure any Greeks here could say a thing or two about living under Turkish rule.
What about the Mamelukes slaves in Egypt who defeated the Mongol drive to the West? These people were white slaves from the Caucasus. Hell, the word “slave” was based on the word “slav” and I’m pretty sure the Slavs are white people.[/quote]
Yes they were. They were white slaves owned by the Turks.
The term “slave”, I think, came from either the greeks or romans who owned Slavs. Slavery was the rule in most of the world until just recently, actually.
The assumption I tend to see is that the white man is the most evil on the planet, and the general oppressor of everyone else. I’m pretty sure the Arabs, stimulated by their prophet, could give us a run for our money. Of course, many believe that since the Arabs aren’t white, they’re naturally on the side of the black man and other “minorities” who may or may not be oppressed. This view, obviously fails to take into account the historical data and erroneously believes that the current jihad is just a reaction to oppression by the Evil White Man.
As the Sudanese blacks could probably tell you, there’s nothing quite like living under the heel of the Arabs. Of course, Mohammed loved black people - he thought every Arab should own one.
Sorry. It started out poorly, hopefully to be redeemed by an off-topic history discussion. As usual, we have to contend with the lies and obfuscation of a certain Arabist on this forum…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Hell, after 9/11, many Indians were targeted directly so where are you getting this point of view?
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WTF did people really attack Indians after 911?
Most of the hijackers were Saudi, with a few more from UAE, Egypt and Lebanon. Targeting Indians in response to 911 would make about as much sense as targeting Chinese.
Muslims are a minority in India anyway.
edit - Just read the post by PRCalDude about the Sikh guy getting targeted.
Sorry. It started out poorly, hopefully to be redeemed by an off-topic history discussion. As usual, we have to contend with the lies and obfuscation of a certain Arabist on this forum…[/quote]
Somehow I get the impression that you don’t understand what the word Arabist actually means.
[quote]Regular Gonzalez wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Hell, after 9/11, many Indians were targeted directly so where are you getting this point of view?
WTF did people really attack Indians after 911?
Most of the hijackers were Saudi, with a few more from UAE, Egypt and Lebanon. Targeting Indians in response to 911 would make about as much sense as targeting Chinese.
Muslims are a minority in India anyway.
edit - Just read the post by PRCalDude about the Sikh guy getting targeted.
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It just shows the cultural ignorance that’s prevalent here in the U.S. A lot of people don’t know the difference between Sikhs and Muslims. Security had to be increased in certain neighborhoods in NYC to protect the residents from retaliation, even though they were not Muslims but looked middle eastern enough to warrant assaults.
Sorry. It started out poorly, hopefully to be redeemed by an off-topic history discussion. As usual, we have to contend with the lies and obfuscation of a certain Arabist on this forum…
Somehow I get the impression that you don’t understand what the word Arabist actually means.
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What do you think it means? I understand the term the same way Abd al-Walid did:
Which is still true today of those who are Islamized, which is why you see Central Asians, Somalis, and Malays with ridiculous Arab names dressing and acting like wannabe 7th century Arabs, praying to Arabia and its fallen space rock in covered in the Kabbah in Mecca, and following an Arab prophet, and asking, “How high?” whenever the Arabs say, “JUMP!”.