White Girl Beaten In England

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
Its funny that I will have people critisizing me for sympathizing with a victim. Amazing what cowards some people are.[/quote]

There’s nothing funny about it. You’re just being an idiot. People are criticizing you for using the victim’s race in the title and writing that you’re “sick and tired of seeing people of my color savaged on”.

That would indicate to most reasonable people that you are a racist of some sort. And that’s why you’re getting slammed. Now, for the sake of ending this, go change the title.

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[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
If she were black and the attackers were white, and I saw it personally, I would try to protect her. The thing is though, and I hate to say this, you probably cant find one instance of this, outside of the Duke scandal, which Im not even sure really happened. [/quote]

WTF? Are you really claiming that white on black violence never happens or rarely happens? Your previous posts have proven that you are a dumbass. Now you’re showing that you’re racist too. I’m still trying to figure out if you are a troll or just an ignorant asswipe.

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[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
Why did I mention her race ? Because Im sick and tired of seeing people of my color savaged on. Its almost to be expected now-a-days that the average white man and women of the world get beaten at least once. [/quote]

Shit, I haven’t gotten mine yet. Something to look forward to I guess.

Oddly enough, most of the fights I’ve been in are with white dudes (like me.) We have a lot of dumb sum bitches in our race.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
triple-10sets wrote:
Why did I mention her race ? Because Im sick and tired of seeing people of my color savaged on. Its almost to be expected now-a-days that the average white man and women of the world get beaten at least once.

Why would you be upset more about people “your color” being “savaged upon” than people being savaged upon, period?

In the other thread where white girls are beating up other white girls, was there the same rage about color?

The video itself claims that scenes like this are RARE in London. The entire scene is disgusting. How does race fit into it beyond that? We can’t even tell the circumstances involved in that situation so even calling it a “race crime” is overstepping the evidence. If it is RARE to see something like that, why are you so upset by the color of the person attacked?

Why would someone even title that video “White Girl Beaten in England?” Would it carry less impact if she were black and the attackers were white?[/quote]

Good questions X. I doubt you get satisfactory answers though.

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[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
Its almost to be expected now-a-days that the average white man and women of the world get beaten at least once. [/quote]

Are you out of your mind? I’m white, and I don’t expect to be beaten. None of the white people I know has ever been beaten, and I would be shocked by it if it did happen.

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[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
If she were black and the attackers were white, and I saw it personally, I would try to protect her. The thing is though, and I hate to say this, you probably cant find one instance of this, outside of the Duke scandal, which Im not even sure really happened. [/quote]

You can’t be serious. The reason there are “hate crime laws” are because minorities were being singled out in majority for acts of violence when they were instituted. While we could argue whether their presence is needed right now, you would have to be living in a cave to believe that this hasn’t happened in a very large degree to minorities. Hell, after 9/11, many Indians were targeted directly so where are you getting this point of view?

Your level of racism is grounded in ignorance.

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That is a Muslim lie.

Perhaps you’re unfamiliar with the Arab conquest of Spain, which stemmed from an Arabist supremacism known as Islam? It’s the same ideology that killed millions of Hindus on the Indian subcontinent when the Arabs ruled it. Perhaps you’re unfamiliar with the Barbary powers, who enslaved several million Europeans they captured in pirate raids staged out of Arab north Africa? We could get into the Turks at Constantinople in 1453 or at the gates of Vienna in 1683 as well. I’m sure any Greeks here could say a thing or two about living under Turkish rule.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Hell, after 9/11, many Indians or those of middle eastern decent were targeted directly so where are you getting this point of view?

That is a Muslim lie.

Whites have never in history suffered the most from hate crimes based on race.

Perhaps you’re unfamiliar with the Arab conquest of Spain, which stemmed from an Arabist supremacism known as Islam? It’s the same ideology that killed millions of Hindus on the Indian subcontinent when the Arabs ruled it. Perhaps you’re unfamiliar with the Barbary powers, who enslaved several million Europeans they captured in pirate raids staged out of Arab north Africa? We could get into the Turks at Constantinople in 1453 or at the gates of Vienna in 1683 as well. I’m sure any Greeks here could say a thing or two about living under Turkish rule. [/quote]

I was speaking of America but I do appreciate the world history lesson. Maybe we can get into that further later.

Are you claiming no people of middle eastern descent were targeted for hate crimes?

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I hope we eventually get to a point where it isn’t “White Girl Beaten” or “Black Male Dragged Behind Truck.” Haven’t watched this video yet, but I honestly believe that in the other thread about the MySpace attack, if it were a black girl, indian girl, whatever I would still be sick. It should be human nature to feel pity for those put in hopeless situations, but obviously some humans lack that quality.

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http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/04/04/20080404mr-dream0405.html

Specifically:

[quote] After 9/11, the windows of a café Nick Heydarian owned in San Francisco were smashed by vandals and anti-Arabic symbols had been written on the building. “San Francisco is a city of love,” Nick said. “I am about love. I’m not about hate. I grew up in this country. I grew up in San Francisco and I even grew up in this neighborhood. I’m not afraid of anything -nobody is going to beat me up.” He vowed to spend all night at his café with friends, saying, “The door is going to be open and all the people who want to support me are going to come over to the City Blend Café. We’re going to have a good time partying - and we’re going to dance and eat and we’re going to show them we aren’t afraid of them.” (Global Exchange)
[/quote]

And

And

[quote]* Ahmed Nasser, the police officer featured in CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE, Brooklyn, NY
At work I felt right at home, my co-workers were very sensitive, and helpful. I often received kind words. “How is everything with you and your family” is a phrase that will stay with me. All of my co-workers knew that Sept. 11 was especially difficult for me, being an Arab-American. I am grateful for being among such friends. After Sept. 11 I came in contact with other Arab-Americans and Muslim American police officers, and began to discuss our needs as officers and what we could do to improve our situation. We organized an association that would allow us to come together whenever there is need. The American Muslim Law Enforcement Association was formed In December 2001, with the effort of six members. It served as a refuge for American Muslim law enforcement officers from all over the U.S. The association met with the leaders of the community at several occasions and was able to assist with the voter registration program among other activities. We also distributed helpful information (telephone numbers concerning civil rights issues, hate crimes etc.). There was an incident that involved the local Muslim School at 20th Street and 4th Ave. in Brooklyn where Muslim students were attacked by other students from neighboring schools. Members of the association escorted the Muslim students to the subway station, since the attacks were allegedly based on racial motivations. [/quote]

Apparently, none of this happened according to you?

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[quote]dk44 wrote:
I hope we eventually get to a point where it isn’t “White Girl Beaten” or “Black Male Dragged Behind Truck.” Haven’t watched this video yet, but I honestly believe that in the other thread about the MySpace attack, if it were a black girl, indian girl, whatever I would still be sick. It should be human nature to feel pity for those put in hopeless situations, but obviously some humans lack that quality. [/quote]

I still don’t understand why someone made an issue of race in that video. Nothing reported claims it as a hate-race crime.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Hell, after 9/11, many Indians or those of middle eastern decent were targeted directly so where are you getting this point of view?

That is a Muslim lie.

Whites have never in history suffered the most from hate crimes based on race.

Perhaps you’re unfamiliar with the Arab conquest of Spain, which stemmed from an Arabist supremacism known as Islam? It’s the same ideology that killed millions of Hindus on the Indian subcontinent when the Arabs ruled it. Perhaps you’re unfamiliar with the Barbary powers, who enslaved several million Europeans they captured in pirate raids staged out of Arab north Africa? We could get into the Turks at Constantinople in 1453 or at the gates of Vienna in 1683 as well. I’m sure any Greeks here could say a thing or two about living under Turkish rule.

I was speaking of America but I do appreciate the world history lesson. Maybe we can get into that further later.

Are you claiming no people of middle eastern decent were targeted for hate crimes?[/quote]

I recall one hate crime in California where the guy was a Sikh (Indian) mistaken for an Arab because they where turbans. Sikhs, of course, are harmless non-Muslims.

The rest of the anti-Islamic “hate crimes” were fabrications of the Council of American Islamic Relations, which has been listed in court documents as an unindicted co-conspirator in several terrorism cases in the United States. Meanwhile, Muslims continue to commit genuine hate crimes against blacks in the Sudan, Hindus in India, Europeans, Americans, Copts in Egypt, Chaldeans/Assyrians in Iraq, Buddhists in Thailand, Christians in Malaysia, Indonesia, Pakistan (where they’re enslaved in brick factories), Nigeria, Ethiopia, …

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Hell, after 9/11, many Indians or those of middle eastern decent were targeted directly so where are you getting this point of view?

That is a Muslim lie.

Whites have never in history suffered the most from hate crimes based on race.

Perhaps you’re unfamiliar with the Arab conquest of Spain, which stemmed from an Arabist supremacism known as Islam? It’s the same ideology that killed millions of Hindus on the Indian subcontinent when the Arabs ruled it. Perhaps you’re unfamiliar with the Barbary powers, who enslaved several million Europeans they captured in pirate raids staged out of Arab north Africa? We could get into the Turks at Constantinople in 1453 or at the gates of Vienna in 1683 as well. I’m sure any Greeks here could say a thing or two about living under Turkish rule.

I was speaking of America but I do appreciate the world history lesson. Maybe we can get into that further later.

Are you claiming no people of middle eastern decent were targeted for hate crimes?

I recall one hate crime in California where the guy was a Sikh (Indian) mistaken for an Arab because they where turbans. Sikhs, of course, are harmless non-Muslims.

The rest of the anti-Islamic “hate crimes” were fabrications of the Council of American Islamic Relations, which has been listed in court documents as an unindicted co-conspirator in several terrorism cases in the United States. Meanwhile, Muslims continue to commit genuine hate crimes against blacks in the Sudan, Hindus in India, Europeans, Americans, Copts in Egypt, Chaldeans/Assyrians in Iraq, Buddhists in Thailand, Christians in Malaysia, Indonesia, Pakistan (where they’re enslaved in brick factories), Nigeria, Ethiopia, …
[/quote]

There sure are a lot of “fabrications” being reported in the newspaper. I am very interested in how you came to the conclusion that only one hate crime occured in California. Do you live in America?

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More “fabrications”

and

Wow. How did all of this NOT happen?

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Come on, PRCaldude, you can’t claim a national conspiracy to make middle easterners falsely look like victims and then stop posting when the info is brought to your attention showing this to not quite be the case.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/04/04/20080404mr-dream0405.html

Specifically:
After 9/11, the windows of a café Nick Heydarian owned in San Francisco were smashed by vandals and anti-Arabic symbols had been written on the building. “San Francisco is a city of love,” Nick said. “I am about love. I’m not about hate. I grew up in this country. I grew up in San Francisco and I even grew up in this neighborhood. I’m not afraid of anything -nobody is going to beat me up.” He vowed to spend all night at his café with friends, saying, “The door is going to be open and all the people who want to support me are going to come over to the City Blend Café. We’re going to have a good time partying - and we’re going to dance and eat and we’re going to show them we aren’t afraid of them.” (Global Exchange)

And
An American-born Muslim woman and her children were chased from a Laramie, WY Wal-Mart by angry shoppers yelling for her to “go back to her country.” (Associated Press, 9/11)

And

  • Ahmed Nasser, the police officer featured in CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE, Brooklyn, NY
    At work I felt right at home, my co-workers were very sensitive, and helpful. I often received kind words. “How is everything with you and your family” is a phrase that will stay with me. All of my co-workers knew that Sept. 11 was especially difficult for me, being an Arab-American. I am grateful for being among such friends. After Sept. 11 I came in contact with other Arab-Americans and Muslim American police officers, and began to discuss our needs as officers and what we could do to improve our situation. We organized an association that would allow us to come together whenever there is need. The American Muslim Law Enforcement Association was formed In December 2001, with the effort of six members. It served as a refuge for American Muslim law enforcement officers from all over the U.S. The association met with the leaders of the community at several occasions and was able to assist with the voter registration program among other activities. We also distributed helpful information (telephone numbers concerning civil rights issues, hate crimes etc.). There was an incident that involved the local Muslim School at 20th Street and 4th Ave. in Brooklyn where Muslim students were attacked by other students from neighboring schools. Members of the association escorted the Muslim students to the subway station, since the attacks were allegedly based on racial motivations.

Apparently, none of this happened according to you?[/quote]

I’ll believe whatever has a police report filed and witnesses. But the scale of “anti-Muslim” violence is much, much smaller than claimed by these Islamic organizations:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=154325C2-EF71-48FD-B33C-B5A584CFB8CF

The Muslim-on-kaffir hate crimes in the United States appear to be much greater than the other way around. It’s natural, but not justifiable, that people would react adversely to the Muslims in their midst who may be plotting against them.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Come on, PRCaldude, you can’t claim a national conspiracy to make middle easterners falsely look like victims and then stop posting when the info is brought to your attention showing this to not quite be the case.[/quote]

Oh, I’m not claiming a national conspiracy at all. I’m claiming an Arab disinformation campaign, funded with Saudi petrodollars, and enabled by an all-too-willing media.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Come on, PRCaldude, you can’t claim a national conspiracy to make middle easterners falsely look like victims and then stop posting when the info is brought to your attention showing this to not quite be the case.

Oh, I’m not claiming a national conspiracy at all. I’m claiming an Arab disinformation campaign, funded with Saudi petrodollars, and enabled by an all-too-willing media.

[/quote]

…and aliens are going to insert anal probes into us too right?

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The other thing to point out is that these hate-crimes you’re talking about didn’t just happen out of the blue. It’s not as if people just woke up and said, “I think I’m going to bash some middle-easterners.” No, they did it after 3000 of their countrymen were incinerated by 19 middle-easterners. It doesn’t excuse it, but at least you can see where it’s coming from.

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[quote]CrewPierce wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Come on, PRCaldude, you can’t claim a national conspiracy to make middle easterners falsely look like victims and then stop posting when the info is brought to your attention showing this to not quite be the case.

Oh, I’m not claiming a national conspiracy at all. I’m claiming an Arab disinformation campaign, funded with Saudi petrodollars, and enabled by an all-too-willing media.

…and aliens are going to insert anal probes into us too right?[/quote]

Sounds like something you might enjoy.