Which Program to Increase 1RM after 5x5? HELP!

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Didn’t say all

Are we taking ATG squatting or high box squats?

Could be. I’ve trained a few boxing gyms. A lot of them were more old school in their training methods (bw stuff mainly). Now MMA guys strength methods that’s a little different (definitely a little more modern).

Are we talking top end boxers or like an average boxer? Obviously more advanced guys would be stronger and care more about being good all round but there’s a lot of boxers (especially low level) who don’t necessarily weight train.

Although it could be not many boxers care to display their explosive strength in a power clean because of the skill learning part of it

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I don’t know your sport as well as you, but given two identical boxers with the same technical skill level, but one power cleans 365 with a 535 squat and the other power cleans 225 and squats 365, do you imagine the contest would be close?

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I’d love to see the list of boxers who power clean 365.

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I mean since the sport is boxing the actual skill of boxing is most important. Assuming weight and skill are the same, yeah the stronger would win but skill is more important than just pure strength

I think you are thinking into much of a vacuum of about strength

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It’s not just strength and skill. There is endurance, conditioning, speed, the ability to absorb punishment, fight IQ, desire, balls, etc.

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What they can lift tells you nothing about who might win. It’s probably the least relevant stat and/or attribute.

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We’ve already established that all those things are equal. The only difference is strength.

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Exactly. There’s a lot more pieces but honestly I don’t think the clean guy was looking for the most nuanced conversation

In that hypothetical situation, I’d argue the weaker guy who just has “it” would beat the hell out of the stronger guy

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Idk we didn’t explicitly state anything about reach

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Just knowing myself and you only mentioning only the same technical skill, I would say that the strongest fighter couldn’t hold his gloves up by the end of the first round. My lactic acid in my shoulders would be killing me.

With boxing you must mention comparable endurance.

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Exactly. You need to ask what the stronger fighter gave up to build strength. Diminishing returns is real. More time in the weight room means less time doing other things.

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I mean with respect to all these boxers. If boxers perform fine with a strength level reachable in 3 months on a beginners program. Why are you even here?

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Sounds like they should just stop carido, start gomad, and deload to work on form

But seriously this. Those numbers would be attainable so soon for someone focusing on lifting. As other posters said, theres more to boxing therefore more recovery demand. If you add in time factor from a boxing practice and just life, things change. Hell what if the boxer can’t gain weight?

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For real? Most NFL players aren’t squatting 5 plates. We tend to overvalue barbell strength because this is a barbell strength forum.

Which numbers? A 535 squat and 365 power clean? I don’t think those are quickly attained?

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Honestly dude I’m lost with the numbers too

It sounded like his beginner numbers referenced were “365 squat and 225 power clean” in 3 months so that’s what I was referencing

This thread has been bouncing around all over the place haha

Yes!

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