Which Martial Arts?

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[quote]AznMscls wrote:
Given your current envoriment, I’d go with Muay Thai hands down. Learn BJJ later on after you’ve worked on your striking. I mean BJJ is fun and all and it does come in handy, but you’re a college student. Meaning most of the fights you would get into, if you get in any, would probably be at parties and bars (duh).

Chances of you getting into a fight with other people jumping in are fairly good. So trying to submit someone on the ground while another person stomps on your head is less than ideal. Being on the ground is the last place you want to be in a crowded area filled with drunk kids who think they’re bad asses after watching a couple UFC fights.

You’ll have a much better chance in a fight if you knock someone out and then concentrate on the next opponent. Haha plus, if you knock out a person his friends will be less likely to want to get into the middle of it.

But definately learn BJJ as well, not all fights stay on the feet. I mean if you could, I’d learn both but definately go with Muay Thai as a choice if you only have time for one. Definately do not try them all and choose the one that you like best. Go with my opinion because I’m a freakin’ genius. And because it’ll give you some sick pleasure having your fist/feet/knee/elbow smash into someones face.[/quote]

I don’t quite get the “don’t take BJJ, you don’t wanna be on the ground” argument. BJJ teaches you how to GET OFF the ground. You learn takedown defense, a great positioning game, how to sweep people, and how to keep a fight standing. If you take Muay Thai, you won’t learn any of this, and if you get Rugby tackled, you’re SOL while someone stomps on you.

Ideally, you’d learn both, especially at college where it’s cheap and easy.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

I don’t quite get the “don’t take BJJ, you don’t wanna be on the ground” argument. BJJ teaches you how to GET OFF the ground. You learn takedown defense, a great positioning game, how to sweep people, and how to keep a fight standing. If you take Muay Thai, you won’t learn any of this, and if you get Rugby tackled, you’re SOL while someone stomps on you.

Ideally, you’d learn both, especially at college where it’s cheap and easy.
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You must be blind and not very smart. Sigh… try to comprehend.

I never said not to take BBJ. I actually told him to take both but if he could only choose one, to take Muay Thai.

What don’t you understand about not wanting to be on the ground? How does BBJ teach you how to get OFF the ground? BJJ EMPHASIZES ground fighting… which you do not want to apply in a crowded area. And BJJ does not teach you how to keep a fight standing.

Do you even know what BJJ is? Your thoughts on it seem a tad bit different than what it actually is.

Furthermore, I told him to take BJJ b/c not all fights stay on the feet. Did you even read my post???

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

I don’t quite get the “don’t take BJJ, you don’t wanna be on the ground” argument. BJJ teaches you how to GET OFF the ground. You learn takedown defense, a great positioning game, how to sweep people, and how to keep a fight standing. If you take Muay Thai, you won’t learn any of this, and if you get Rugby tackled, you’re SOL while someone stomps on you.

Ideally, you’d learn both, especially at college where it’s cheap and easy.
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I agree with taking both…but if you consider how most people view BJJ or how some even practice it…they will probably be on the ground longer than they need to…and BJJ doesn’t teach you how to defend yourself standing up either!?

So get some good Muay Thai training…and BJJ…then the “Rugby tackler” will be met with a sprawl with underhooks to a clinch with a knee to put his bottom teeth through his top lip!

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[quote]AznMscls wrote:
T3hPwnisher wrote:

I don’t quite get the “don’t take BJJ, you don’t wanna be on the ground” argument. BJJ teaches you how to GET OFF the ground. You learn takedown defense, a great positioning game, how to sweep people, and how to keep a fight standing. If you take Muay Thai, you won’t learn any of this, and if you get Rugby tackled, you’re SOL while someone stomps on you.

Ideally, you’d learn both, especially at college where it’s cheap and easy.

You must be blind and not very smart. Sigh… try to comprehend.

I never said not to take BBJ. I actually told him to take both but if he could only choose one, to take Muay Thai.

What don’t you understand about not wanting to be on the ground? How does BBJ teach you how to get OFF the ground? BJJ EMPHASIZES ground fighting… which you do not want to apply in a crowded area. And BJJ does not teach you how to keep a fight standing.

Do you even know what BJJ is? Your thoughts on it seem a tad bit different than what it actually is.

Furthermore, I told him to take BJJ b/c not all fights stay on the feet. Did you even read my post???[/quote]

You obviously have no experience with BJJ. BJJ teaches you how to take the fight to the ground in a way that results in you having a dominant position, this means that you’ll have to defend against your opponents takedowns until you’re ready to take him down.

Futhermore it is always an advantadge to be standing while you opponent is on his back, so obviously we learn how to do that as well.

Having said that, I do agree that if he could only choose one art to train in, a striking art like Muay Thai would be more useful for self defense. But, in order to be cofortable in all ranges one needs to supplement that with some kind of grappling art.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
And along with the methods being the same in the left hook example, the goals are the same as well: Knock a person out. In the doctor vs. murder example, the goals of the movements are entirely different as well.[/quote]

What you’re arguing is flatly ridiculous.

Theres no difference between defending yourself and assaulting someone else?

Theres no difference between punching someone who is swinging a baseball bat at your wife and punching someone because they said your favorite band sucks?

Theres no difference between a MMA fighter throwing a left hook at an opponent and a mugger throwing a left hook at the person they are trying to rob?

It really sounds like you’re the type of person who goes out with the intent to fight, but tries to delude yourself into believing that “Hey, its the same thing as defending myself!”

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
T3hPwnisher wrote:

I don’t quite get the “don’t take BJJ, you don’t wanna be on the ground” argument. BJJ teaches you how to GET OFF the ground. You learn takedown defense, a great positioning game, how to sweep people, and how to keep a fight standing. If you take Muay Thai, you won’t learn any of this, and if you get Rugby tackled, you’re SOL while someone stomps on you.

Ideally, you’d learn both, especially at college where it’s cheap and easy.

I agree with taking both…but if you consider how most people view BJJ or how some even practice it…they will probably be on the ground longer than they need to…and BJJ doesn’t teach you how to defend yourself standing up either!?

So get some good Muay Thai training…and BJJ…then the “Rugby tackler” will be met with a sprawl with underhooks to a clinch with a knee to put his bottom teeth through his top lip![/quote]

Hard to do when you are running with the ball but I will keep this in mind next time I play.

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[quote]JH wrote:

You obviously have no experience with BJJ. BJJ teaches you how to take the fight to the ground in a way that results in you having a dominant position, this means that you’ll have to defend against your opponents takedowns until you’re ready to take him down.

Futhermore it is always an advantadge to be standing while you opponent is on his back, so obviously we learn how to do that as well.

Having said that, I do agree that if he could only choose one art to train in, a striking art like Muay Thai would be more useful for self defense. But, in order to be cofortable in all ranges one needs to supplement that with some kind of grappling art.[/quote]

Ok, another blind person. What is it with you people and wanting to rant about nothing. I said BJJ emphasizes ground fighting… which it does. You would obviously want to be in a dominant position, thanks mr. obvious, but it also teaches you how to submit people from your back.

And yes, its an obvious advantage when your opponent is on his back and you’re standing… but we’re talking about BJJ which means you’re most likely not standing and on the ground with him. You OBVIOUSLY have no BJJ experience to speak of. I’m obviously right and you’re just wrong.

Having said that, the whole point of my original post is that ground fighting should be your last resort in a crowded area. Sheesh

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All yall need to just stop fucking bitching at each other. The kid asked a question, so just give your opinion on it and be done with it. What the hell is it with this board and shitting on each other all the time?

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One important issue not brought up is size,strength, and stamina. best style for fighter A might not be best for fighter B. for instance muy thai requires more strength than bjj or kung fu to be effective. Best bet to being an effective bad ass is to build up your strength/endurance/flexibility while studying muy thai and either bjj or judo.

endurance and flexibility are incredibly underrated in the mainstream. flexibility takes time to develop and is cornerstone to any fighting style. endurance too is cornerstone. what good are all the skills you’ve learned if you can only execute them well for the first 5 minutes…sure you can keep fighting on adrenaline like most of your opponents probably will be but all adrenaline and no more strength/speed/accuracy makes “out of shape” jack a pulverized boy.

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[quote]AznMscls wrote:
JH wrote:

You obviously have no experience with BJJ. BJJ teaches you how to take the fight to the ground in a way that results in you having a dominant position, this means that you’ll have to defend against your opponents takedowns until you’re ready to take him down.

Futhermore it is always an advantadge to be standing while you opponent is on his back, so obviously we learn how to do that as well.

Having said that, I do agree that if he could only choose one art to train in, a striking art like Muay Thai would be more useful for self defense. But, in order to be cofortable in all ranges one needs to supplement that with some kind of grappling art.

Ok, another blind person. What is it with you people and wanting to rant about nothing. I said BJJ emphasizes ground fighting… which it does. You would obviously want to be in a dominant position, thanks mr. obvious, but it also teaches you how to submit people from your back.

And yes, its an obvious advantage when your opponent is on his back and you’re standing… but we’re talking about BJJ which means you’re most likely not standing and on the ground with him. You OBVIOUSLY have no BJJ experience to speak of. I’m obviously right and you’re just wrong.

Having said that, the whole point of my original post is that ground fighting should be your last resort in a crowded area. Sheesh[/quote]

First of all, I’ve trained BJJ for almost 2 years so I’m familiar with it.

Secondly, this statement is what I was mainly addressing:

That is just plain wrong. In BJJ you learn how to defend against takedowns, and thus you learn to keep the fight standing. BJJ is much more than just groundfighting.

I do agree with you that the ground is not the best place to be in a street fight.

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[quote]
JH wrote:

First of all, I’ve trained BJJ for almost 2 years so I’m familiar with it.

Secondly, this statement is what I was mainly addressing:

“BJJ does not teach you how to keep a fight standing.”

That is just plain wrong. In BJJ you learn how to defend against takedowns, and thus you learn to keep the fight standing. BJJ is much more than just groundfighting.

I do agree with you that the ground is not the best place to be in a street fight.[/quote]

BJJ doesn’t teach you how to keep the fight standing. Yes, you can defend against take downs but it still ultimately teaches you to bring the fight to the ground. And BJJ is pretty much just ground fighting… thus why its BJJ and not Judo or Jujutsu.

And the to Chefboy Cop/RA, we’re debating an issue, get over it. Posting an irrelevant post about it doesn’t really solve anything. And I don’t constitute this as “shitting on eachother”

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[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Honestly, the reason more people pick grappling arts is because you don’t get punched in the face. You don’t almost throw up in pain from knees the day after practice. You don’t get your nose broke. [/quote]

And the sore shins and screwed up knees. Oh, and the headaches that wake you up at 3 a.m. Then there’s the blurred vision.

Grappling arts have their risks, sure, but they are not nearly as destructive as boxing or Thai boxing.

So you get something nearly as effective without nearly as many risks. Seems like the logical choice for most.

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
Honestly, the reason more people pick grappling arts is because you don’t get punched in the face. You don’t almost throw up in pain from knees the day after practice. You don’t get your nose broke.

And the sore shins and screwed up knees. Oh, and the headaches that wake you up at 3 a.m. Then there’s the blurred vision.

Grappling arts have their risks, sure, but they are not nearly as destructive as boxing or Thai boxing.

So you get something nearly as effective without nearly as many risks. Seems like the logical choice for most.[/quote]

Another issue is control.

Its a lot harder to not hurt someone when throwing a kick at them then it is to simply get them in a submission hold but not apply too much pressure.

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How do i go about finding a good BJJ school? Is there a way to search online to see what dojos are close to me?

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Some fights end on the ground, but all fights start standing. If you want to learn how to handle yourself in a real fight, go with Muay Thai. How many fights have you seen where the first thing someone does is grab their opponent?

As an added benefit, the learning curve for Muay Thai is small compared to the alternatives you listed.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Its a lot harder to not hurt someone when throwing a kick at them then it is to simply get them in a submission hold but not apply too much pressure.
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I am seriously trying to understand what you just wrote. “It is a lot harder to not hurt someone”? Is this like saying it’s easier to hurt someone?

Anyhow, it’s equally dangerous sparring with someone whether doing striking or grappling. Some people don’t understand what it means to “spar,” so they go full speed when you’re trying to train technique. This usually causes the person to injure himself.

Last night some guy was going all buck wild and almost tore the ligaments in his own elbow flailing like an idiot to get out of an Americana. I wasn’t even applying any pressure and was going very gently. But he couldn’t get that it was just sparring, so he had to try with all of his might to “escape.” He almost seriously injured himself. It was so fast that I didn’t even have time to release the hold for his own safety. (Typical of those people, he became “too tired” to roll any more. What’s up with people treating sparring like it’s the Pan Ams?)

People with little knowledge but who treat every sparring session as the fucking Olympics are a threat to themselves and their sparring partners. I simply avoid rolling with those guys, just as I wouldn’t spar with them when boxing, either.

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
Honestly, the reason more people pick grappling arts is because you don’t get punched in the face. You don’t almost throw up in pain from knees the day after practice. You don’t get your nose broke.

And the sore shins and screwed up knees. Oh, and the headaches that wake you up at 3 a.m. Then there’s the blurred vision.

Grappling arts have their risks, sure, but they are not nearly as destructive as boxing or Thai boxing.

So you get something nearly as effective without nearly as many risks. Seems like the logical choice for most.[/quote]

Is boxing so bad ? I am currently doing taekwondo and thinking of switching to kickboxing but after hearing what you all say, I am having second thoughts.

Tjun Kiat

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Its a lot harder to not hurt someone when throwing a kick at them then it is to simply get them in a submission hold but not apply too much pressure.

I am seriously trying to understand what you just wrote. “It is a lot harder to not hurt someone”? Is this like saying it’s easier to hurt someone?
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I meant that its a lot harder to “not really hurt someone” when you’re sparing with hits as opposed to grappling, I’d imagine.

I guess I meant its easier to accidently hurt someone.

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[quote]titopuente wrote:
I would probably recommend brazilian jiu jitsu. Either that or muay thai or judo. You are probably not going to be able to kick everyones ass by the end of the summer unless you are like 250 pounds of muscle. Brazilian jiu jitsu is fun.

You can probably spar a lot harder with judo or jiu jitsu than in muay thai or kung fu. I don’t imagine that you would throw elbows or knees at your opponent at full force in your university.[/quote]

I don’t know, I went to this one Kung Fu school to see a friend. And they were sparring pretty damn hard. But then again, they did say that their school was more “traditional”, and I would think so considering that the Sifu there had only a basic grasp on English.

And it didn’t look very flowery at all, I mean, you could tell it was Kung Fu, but MAN did it’s applications look BRUTAL, simple, and extremely effective and easily carried out. And the physical conditioning looked like hell.

But then again, again, you probably couldn’t find any schools like that commonly around any area. I’d say look at them first.

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Its a lot harder to not hurt someone when throwing a kick at them then it is to simply get them in a submission hold but not apply too much pressure.

I am seriously trying to understand what you just wrote. “It is a lot harder to not hurt someone”? Is this like saying it’s easier to hurt someone?

Anyhow, it’s equally dangerous sparring with someone whether doing striking or grappling. Some people don’t understand what it means to “spar,” so they go full speed when you’re trying to train technique. This usually causes the person to injure himself.

Last night some guy was going all buck wild and almost tore the ligaments in his own elbow flailing like an idiot to get out of an Americana. I wasn’t even applying any pressure and was going very gently. But he couldn’t get that it was just sparring, so he had to try with all of his might to “escape.” He almost seriously injured himself. It was so fast that I didn’t even have time to release the hold for his own safety. (Typical of those people, he became “too tired” to roll any more. What’s up with people treating sparring like it’s the Pan Ams?)

People with little knowledge but who treat every sparring session as the fucking Olympics are a threat to themselves and their sparring partners. I simply avoid rolling with those guys, just as I wouldn’t spar with them when boxing, either.[/quote]

I know exactly what you mean, a lot of people can’t accept the fact that they have to “give up”. I think that is one of the main reasons why people quit, their egos get in the way.