Was the whey vs. casein debate ever settled? I recall that Cy was very adamant about the anti-catabolic benefits of casein. But if your protein targets are in excess of 450gram/day, then the feeling of fullness from consuming a casein based MRP can make this difficult to achieve. I suppose that this is down to the slower digesting properties of casein that give it its anti-catabolic advantage. From the point of view of meeting total protein targets, an exlusively whey protein is easier on the stomach. Is it conclusive that a blended protein offers the benefits of both?
why in this world would any person want to consome 450 grams of protien, yes you need more than the average person if you train hard but 450 grams? don’t think so. if you take 1 gram per lean pound you will have more than you need. and yes I am a fan of casein, although I do mix it w/whey and sometimes plain egg protien.
Hetyey. Appreciate the reply. Bill Roberts recommends consuming 2.5g Protein per Lb of LBM in order to maximise mass gains. I’m currently shooting for 252lbs total bodyweight, so you can see that on this basis I need in excess of 450grams. (Whilst using anabolics I may add). Woulds Messrs. Berardi, Willson and Shugart agree with this high level of intake?
On the subject of Whey. A certain other supplement company were highlighting the fact that the fast influx of aminos lead to oxidisation (English sp.) and therefore lower protein synthesis vs. casein. Making whey in isolation pretty redundant except post-workout. Any views?
Although I hate to do this, flex and muscle and fitness have good discussions of this in the new issues. Joey Antonio wrote one and I forget who wrote the other (maybe Wright). Anyway, a new study has been published to shed light on this and they both discuss it and talk about how you can apply this info in conjunction with the older studies. Besides these articles, ditch the rest of the mag!
Thanks John. The U.K. editions don’t necessarily correspond. Can you give me a clue as to what they were saying? I reread the protein roundtable article recently and I know that you felt that as long as you were taking in various proteins frequently enough, then it wasn’t critical as to what type of protein this was. Have the new studies thrown any light on this? Oh yeah, whilst I’ve got your attention, I’ve been using your ‘Surge’ with great success, but after ingestion I become quite sleepy, does this give any indication about my insulin sensitivity? I’ll do your glucometer test soon.