[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Onslaught2099 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I think a lot of it just has to do with looks. A leaner BBer with good aesthetics (broader shoulders, narrow waist, good bicep peaks, est) looks heavier than they are. I think people look at someone like ronnie and comparitively think he is bigger than a Phil Phister or even an Andy Bolton which is simply not true.
You combine that with the training and structure differences that yield a lower 1RM strength on specific lifts and presto BBers become weak in comparison in the mind of the general public.[/quote]
I don’t believe it has anything to do with looks either. It takes someone HOPING they can find some negative about a group of people to believe that you build muscles that big by being weak. It is nothing more than a defense mechanism. No one who actually worked hard to gain 50lbs of muscle would believe such bullshit…which I guess is why so many of these guys look so weak themselves as they falsely claim HUGE pro bodybuilders are.
Look at who is making claims like this. They are either personal trainers out to make money or little guys who lack the genetics or the drive to stand out at all.
This shit doesn’t come from people who stand out and work their asses off.[/quote]
I’ve only read a few pieces of this post and think it’s pretty hilarious. I was just trying to figure out why someone would start such a horrible rumor about people that are huge from bodybuilding and that they are weak and it just it me in the head. Think about this. What if is this is just one of the greatest bs marketing tools to get more clients? I mean most people want a easy way out and if you say hey guess what, you can look like a bodybuilder by only putting up 225 in your core lifts then people will jump all over those package deals for personal training because there must be some super secret. I think that notion is right up there with functional training. I mean seriously, if i train hardcore all the time you think i can’t take out my garbage without losing my breathe? I truly think that is a scam to tell people that bodybuilders are weak just to bring in some keyboard warriors to the gym so they can get robbed.
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I agree, but I always tended to think it was more sinister than that. By making bodybuilders out to be weak morons who ONLY look the way they do because of steroids and freak genetics, you erase the desire for newbs to go to those people for advice.
How many times do we here some rank newb criticizing how some gigantic pro bodybuilder is lifting? It happens so much that I tend to think some of these people must ether be borderline retarded, or they have been brainwashed.
By making it seem like NO ONE has the genetics to get really big aside from the one in a million genetic freak, you also erase the expectation to actually make much progress at all.
I mean, if your goal is now only “165lbs” because you heard this was “functional” and that weighing over 200lbs simply means you are fat (like Shugart often eludes to), you no longer truly expect to make much progress.
Hell, some of these guys seem to literally think making big gains is a fucking NEGATIVE to their health and their look…because some trainer said so.
You can sell millions of books if you can convince newbs that going anywhere else for info will leave them “bloated, weak and ready to die from not being able to breath while walking up stairs”.[/quote]
I think this is a great point right there. I used to train students in R.I.T. (Rochester Institute of Technology) while i was a student attending this university and training for my ISSA Cert. One thing I noticed is that the biggest people in there lifting were also the smartest and even crazier than that they wanted advice from me because i had my heads in bodybuilding books and completely avoided the magazines. My first thought and words out of my mouth is " Why would you want someone to train you that is smaller than you?" I weighed 225 @ 5’7" at the time now 252. They responed " We don’t read books or magazines, we just lift weights. Maybe you can design something new for us. I ran all the Weider Principles past them and they knew them all and currently used them.
Only 1 out of 9 was a juicer and they all believed that legs were the most important area to work if you wanted to grow anywhere else. How effin mind blowing is that? Students that don’t listen to magazines or forums, just eat and lift consistently all the time and as Engineers, Computer Scientists and future PHD candidates were actually some of the smartest people i have come to know are bodybuilders.
I think people being told you need great genetics or a great bank account for roids is a load and defeats so many people right at the door pretty much telling them to choose i’m on roids or i was naturally gifted. There is always hard work and serious time put in the can trump naysayers. To be the best you have to be Extreme. Following magazine guidelines will have you buying the next year of magazines you see trying to get the next great workout that will " Actually Work". lol. I know that if you want muscle and tons of if you have to expect to add fat as well. If you can get 50lbs of muscle with 35-40lbs of additional fat that you know you can cut back through diet then why not? This 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight is also a load because for me to clear 190 coming up from 145 i took in 450grams per day alone in shakes. gained no fat and got great compliments like " dude were in the military or taking roids". That just meant that the hard work i put in showed.
When did lifting weights become rocket science? I thought i just needed to eat more of the right stuff and push myself hard in my workouts.
Thanks for the prompt response P.X.
But yeah, sometimes we gotta just roll our eyes when someone writes something like this.