Where did 15 million votes go?

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Unfortunately the inverted racism thing is spreading fast in the western world.

Other countries have minorities too.
Employers don’t require ID when they hire? What about schools, don’t they require IDs from students (and their parents)?
You also need ID to collect benefits, no? Or is that oppressive too?

I get your point, though. I appreciate the explanation.
I actually spoke about this with my father, he heard some commentator on the news mention this issue before the elections and couln’t believe it. What is this, Mozambique?

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Probably not any more than another day for most nowadays, but it won’t ever happen in most US states.

It stops Democrats from cheating. It’s really that simple. It allows college students and migrants to vote. Even minors. It also lets them get away with counties where 120 percent of the population is registered to vote, like Cumberland. Maine has the highest official turnout in the nation, where actual turnout including migrants is compared against our theoretical voting population.

Maine and Minnesota are the top two states in turnout, for some reason.

It allows anyone to cast a vote who shows up, as long as they provide a name, an in-town address and a sequence of four digits, then sign a piece of paper saying all of that is true.

Good luck tracking down the guy who said he was James Jameson at 22 James street. Last four of SSN# is 5653.

That’s literally the point of having it this way. To again quote my Secretary of State, who has been seeming a little nervous with voter ID going on the ballot and some persistent inquiries from journalists.

"The bill could reduce faith in our elections by making participation for certain types of voters – black, indigenous, people of color, people living in poverty, seniors or people living in rural areas – more complicated and burdensome. It could also undermine faith in elections by increasing lines at the polls and headaches for voters,” said Bellows.

Absolute rubbish. No US citizen has any problem getting ID in Maine, and if they did and it became required to vote, there would be people helping them through it. Democrats are pumping the state full of illegal migrants, signing them up for every benefit possible, and telling them to vote Democrat or it all goes away. They do this with a translator standing next to them at our local polls and voting guides in about a dozen languages.

This is just Lewiston, ME.

It really is all about cheating and it is 100 percent enough to swing Maine elections. At the end of the day they are trying to redefine what a citizen is through human trafficking and emotional blackmail. Get them here first, then cry human rights when someone comes along and enforces the law. Especially after the problems become overwhelming.

When you hear a leftist say they need to “subvert white colonialist power structures”, this is what they mean.

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Thank you for making the same argument we make :joy:

You can’t work a legal job, have a bank account, rent an apartment, buy a house, buy a car, get benefits, even rent a fucking book without a picture ID.
But you can vote without one :roll_eyes:

*for the sake of accuracy… most states require voters to show picture ID. In fact, it’s really only the super left-leaning states that don’t require it. That, of course, raises the question of whether or not these states would actually be left-leaning if they had voter-ID laws in place… which is why there has not yet been a federal mandate for every state to require Voter ID.

The only valid argument against Voder-ID is that the government should provide it instead of the end user having to pay for it. I mean, a divers license is like $50 last I remember, but sure. If the govt requires something of the citizen, the citizen should not have the impetus to spend their money on it.

Still, here we are.
Blockchain technology is the obvious solution that no one wants to talk about. That much transparency is scary to a certain group of people.

Sorry, rambling.

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I am making the case locally that we are a backwards land with third world election laws, because we are. We’ve always suspected a few of the Somalians who’ve been here for 20 years now may not have been citizens, but nobody ever made too great of a stink about it.

It has been unbelievable the last few elections. Just in-your-face, fresh off the boat from you-name-it, can’t really pretend that all of these people could possibly be US citizens sort of lines at the polls.

I think they might be growing quite concerned about a Trump DOJ.

Out of all of the issues Democrats say we need to follow Canada or Europe’s lead on, somehow not this one.

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There is an equally strong argument for needing an ID to buy a gun, which Democrats don’t argue against. It blows their reasoning out of the water in Maine particularly, as our version of the 2nd Amendment is completely unambiguous.

The Constitution of Maine, article 1, section 16 currently reads “every citizen has a right to keep and bear arms and this right shall never be questioned”.

Something either infringes on a right, or not. Showing an ID to prove who you are infringes on no rights in 2024.

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Worth a watch:

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(I have ZERO problem with requiring an ID to vote.)

There was a case in North Dakota a few years back that said people could only vote if their IDs had residential street addresses on them. The problem was, there are actually a fair amount of residents of the state who live in such rural areas, that they don’t have residential street addresses. The USPS doesn’t deliver to their communities/homes, they don’t have numbers on their houses, and some streets aren’t even necessarily labeled.

This is a small minority of the country, for sure, but it is a reality for some.

Overall though, shouldn’t be an issue for the vast majority of the country. Geographic location would be a far greater hurdle than race.

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A libtards wet dream! But the Democrats are not of the left. These stupid cultural issues matter very little when people are struggling to pay rent/mortgage and put food on the table. These stupid cultural issues are the main difference between the 2 corporate uni-parties. Economically there really isn’t much of a substantive difference.

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Until the next election.

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I know in my state at least, you can get a state ID from the DMV for free if you’re poor.

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Some of you might remember me rolling my eyes when time after time we were being told that the walls are closing in on Trump… THIS TIME. I never saw it the same way those guys did.

Here in Maine I think the walls might actually be closing in on some of our Democrats. They aren’t that bright and they seem to be drawing even more attention to our voting system through their outlandish and rather nervous explanations.

This is a LONG article but it does a good job of explaining what is going on in Maine’s CD2 race that will decide control of a seat in the US House of Representatives.

If looking around at the polls isn’t raising enough eyebrows in Maine, looking at the data certainly is. Somehow Maine’s overseas ballots, typically cast by members of the military deployed overseas, seem to be coming back at implausibly high rates for Democrats. Like 4:1 or something there.

There are also massive discrepancies between data pulled off of the secretary of state’s own website and what they are telling us to believe now. And wouldn’t you know, it is enough to swing the election in their favor. Nervous non-explanations to basic questions are doing little to reassure people that we have honest people in these positions.

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Interesting read…as is often the case, when simple questions are asked, or reasonable explanations are sought, the left either laughs at your questions, makes crazy claims to divert attention (you’re a racist, fascist, you’re Hitler), or refuses to discuss the matter any further. While reading the facts in the article, although I didn’t understand all of the rules/conditions for the voting, it did become clear to me that something didn’t feel right, you know? That feeling grew more and more the further on I read.

I am sorry you are having to live in a state that you love but a state that is rapidly deteriorating from a mass invasion of illegal aliens. I live in Texas so I understand what you are going through but quite often many Americans don’t really understand the very real, very negative impact that illegal immigration, especially in massive numbers like Maine and here in Texas, has upon your community and crime, a sharp decline in public schools, loitering everywhere, the ungodly increase in uninsured motorist costs for Americans who operate a vehicle, and on and on and on. They affect every aspect of your life, and it seems that no matter where you go (grocery store, restaurant, the DMV, etc), the effects of the huge influx of people just creates a fucking mess.
And to those saying “oh they’re seeking asylum because of drugs or gangs in their country, or because they’re poor and there is no hope in their country”, well, that sounds like it is their country’s government who is to blame, and why should it become American citizens’ tax burden to take care of you and your litters of kids? To those who say they just want to work and thus are positive contributors to America, the problem with that is with the sheer number of illegals, and the fact that they have litters of kids, the services used by illegals compared to the work that they do is severely lopsided and the hospital, school, police, and other public services spend a lot more on illegals than the meager amount of taxes they pay in (and that is IF they have taxes come out of their money. Most are off the books and thus they add NOTHING to the government’s coffers). Very similar to parasites…they add nothing but take everything.

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Ideally, they all get deported and taken off the dole. Then taxes can be cut to offset the increase in costs that are going to come from businesses paying higher wages. Of course that won’t happen.

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Meh. America just elected a convicted felon, rapist, and charity thief as president, so there are no rules anymore.

I’m going to start emphasizing the L in salmon.

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I’ve always done this, along with C in Scissors and P in raspberry.

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There’s never been any rules about electing anyone who has been accused of those things as President.

Which of his felonies do you believe was most egregious?

Which of his rape accusations did you find credible enough to believe?

How much of his fortune do you think is attributable to charity thievery?

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The only group I attribute parasitic behavior to are the architects of this very twisted, very real plan to flood the country with lawbreakers precisely so they could put the American people in a position where extremely difficult choices have to be made. It makes perfect sense when you look at the entire thing as a cynical and dishonest political ploy made by playing with 10’s of millions of lives, which is exactly what it was.

Karl Marx didn’t want to get a job, so he became a cult leader. He rode the coattails of Darwin and hoped to do for politics what evolution did for science, but with his philosophical nonsense standing in for an actual scientific theory. The entire political movement that followed in his perverse wake never strays too far from this idea of not wanting to get up and go to work.

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I like you personally, but I really don’t give a shit about answering these questions.

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Not long ago, the ballot box where I cast my vote was assigned according to my ID number. Each vote had to be related to an ID number, and each ID could get one vote and one vote only. If someone with a fake were to cast a vote before I did and the number on his happened to be the same as the one in mine, I wouln’t be able to cast a vote until the matter was sorted out. If his ID had a random number that wasn’t on the system, he wouldn’t be able to vote.

Nowadays it’s possible for me to vote in any polling station regardless of my place of residence but the general principle is still the same.

This will probably be done whether voter ID is mandatory or not. Push comes to shove, they’ll just issue IDs left and right, on tax payer money.

I fear this might happen all over Europe (well, maybe not Poland or Hungary) since the extreme left is so fond of Islamic refugees and immigrants (whose values, ironically, happen to be in direct conflit with woke leftist beliefs).

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That’s fair enough, but don’t act perplexed when other people see the entire situation so differently than you do.