Where did 15 million votes go?

Was it merely that Kamala was that shitty of a candidate, or did the dead people not show up to vote this time?

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Itā€™s actually totally fine. Election experts explained four years ago that the 2020 election was the cleanest election of all time. My city council president informed us last night that Lewiston Maineā€™s elections are secure, but he didnā€™t say if they were as secure as they were in 2020.

I havenā€™t heard the election experts say that 2024 was the new cleanest election of all time, so I think that crown still belongs to 2020.

OF ALL TIME!

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In 2020 81 million people were excited to vote for biden.
Or
In 2020 81 million people were excited to vote against trump.

In 2024 15 million less people were excited to vote kamala.
Or
In 2024 15 million less people were excited to vote against trump.

Its horseshit, we all know it.

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I do not think this is possible.

I think it is far more likely that 15 million dead people stayed dead this time.

ā€œI stopped stealing from Target when the employees started watching meā€

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How did she finish in CA when she was making a run at getting the nomination? 15 million voters stayed home and got stoned.

So you believe our elections are secure and 2020 had little to no irregularities?

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That makes sense.
Also I think people believed in Biden in 2020 a lot more than people believed in Kamala in 2024. I would think people would vote less for Democrats this time, and also steal less this time, even aside from fear of getting caught.

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Why isolate 2020? If you want to question 2020, because your guy lost, OK, but what about other elections? Have they all been secure since 1788? Who knows? No irregularities? I donā€™t think anyone has ever said there has never been some amount of voter fraud.

The idea that 2020 must have had issues because Trump lost, bewilders me. But then again I donā€™t idolize politicians; I despise all of them. I would never register as a member of any party. I would never put a bumper sticker on my car, wear a t shirt, place a sign on my property, or attend a rally to show support for any politician. I donā€™t play tribal games and I donā€™t look forward to seeing my fellow Americansā€™ tears when their candidate loses. So again I ask, why 2020, when the man you admire and believe should run your life lost, and not the one or more of the other 50+ elections that have been held?

This is not why 2020 is being singled out, and i think you know this.

Or maybe you donā€™tā€¦ you are you, after all.

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Itā€™s why youā€™re singling it out. Many elections have been contested, you just donā€™t know about the subject. Itā€™s not your fault because itā€™s not something that is taught in schools. Iā€™m sure you at least know about the questions surrounding JFKā€™s election. It is before your time but itā€™s before mine as well. Still, I know about the accusations of dead people voting and organized crimeā€™s influence on the result. This is nothing new.

No, it quite seriously isnā€™t.

How about instead of questioning the premise of the question, you just answer the fucking question for once?

Iā€™m still wondering why 15 million votes disappeared.

:rofl: :joy: :rofl: :joy:

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I did. But if you need more clarification: there has always been some amount of voter fraud. There is probably no way to completely eliminate it. Elections have been contested for the past two hundred years. Was 2020 an example of an egregious amount of fraud? I havenā€™t seen any evidence of that. It would take more than Trump losing to sway me.

Thereā€™s a 23% increase from ā€˜16 - ā€˜20 and 18% drop from ā€˜20 - ā€˜24, while Republican votes has stayed relatively constant.

This isnā€™t ā€˜someā€™ and itā€™s definitely worth isolating for review.

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Four years wasnā€™t long enough? Just as Trump voters underestimated how much he was disliked in 2020, they are underestimating how much Harris was disliked in 2024. If anyone should be asking questions, itā€™s the Democrats.

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I disagree. Any freedom loving American should be asking this question.

Either dems did a terrible job of putting a candidate forward worth voting for or there was excessive mischief in 2020. Both statements can be true by the way. Dems platform for this election was ā€˜not Trumpā€™ and ā€˜First woman and minorityā€™, which was only slightly different than 2020, which was ā€˜not Trump and old Joeā€™. Regardless, we should all be asking the questions, see the data and fix the issue going forward.

They are asking questions.

How can we continue to rig the system, but more effectively?

How can we continue to disparage our political opponents as Nazis?

How can we continue to gather support from people who donā€™t know what Nazis were?

and so onā€¦

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And how long will this investigation last? Until the truth comes out or until the ā€œrightā€ answer comes out, which may be never? If there was major fraud in 2020, and this time out there wasnā€™t, the wasnā€™t the issue fixed?

Both sides can ask that because both sides do it in order to maintain the status quo.

How can we stop people on both sides from name calling? Start with yourself.

How can we continue to gather support from people who donā€™t know what liberals were?

I will not stop calling the people actively ruining my state accurate names, along with naming the destructive policies and pointing out the absurd rhetoric.

Welcome back, same stuff on both sides guy. I was kind of wondering what was going on with you when you seemed to broadly agree with me for a few years.