Where Can I Meet More Mature People?

Not at all, but you’re taking loosely connected threads, in my opinion, and weaving them into a blanket that covers more than it should. Young men and young women are struggling through a gender role transition that started in the 60’s. That’s real. Our schools are in crisis to some extent also, with confusion over their educational vs social responsibility (focus on food and community safety needs or focus solely on curriculum?) and the question of medicating boys so they’ll act like girls. That’s real. Changes in the job market are real. Social media is real and even more importantly for young men, video games are real.

So yes, there are challenges for men going into the dating market, but there are also challenges for women, and those are real, too. How would you like to be staring down the barrel of a 50% divorce rate and making decisions about staying home with children, for example? The simplicity of yesteryear, which you seem to long for a return of, was not simple for everyone.

I don’t see the advantages for women over men having shifted in the way you’re describing. Yesterday at work I saw three women between ages 20-23 and one 16-year-old male. My first appointment today is with a 21-year-old. I’m telling you that the girls are not laughing at boys because upward mobility is just that easy for them. I can’t discern that anything has changed since I was 20 except that gaming ruins the lives of males, who can’t pull themselves away from it, and social media torments girls, who now get to see all of the things people are saying about them behind their backs.

My goal was to offer that you (“you” being the general “all men”) can follow the cynical path and get rich to get laid by gold diggers, or you can work on yourself and find someone nice and treat them with respect and have a happy life hopefully.

I am ultimately dismissive of people who keep denying the possibility that their victimhood is the problem. It’s foolish and wearying. I can’t distinguish between the men who cry “but society!” when talking about women and the idiots who believe that all successful weight lifters and bodybuilders are on steroids, and the reason they can’t make progress is that they don’t have this special advantage. But you COULD, you know, actually devote time and effort to it and see what happens. You and I both work with people dealing with severe lifestyle-related health issues. We could talk about the deck being stacked against them, because it is, but the biggest hurdle they face is the mindset that it’s no use to try to change. I worked as a weight loss counselor before I went back to school, and a thing I said over and over again was that “you can do what you want to do, of course, but if what you want to do is lose weight, what you need to do is follow the program.” Sometimes it really IS that simple, despite there being challenges.

I don’t think I actually give @greenboy advice, and haven’t for some time. I don’t think he’s a nice person and have no investment in his happiness (nor investment in his continued unhappiness). I disagree with him, so I outline my case against his thinking.

I’m really speaking to the guys potentially reading who may be influenced by his thinking.

There are a number of places with similar mobility, but not, I think, most places. Certainly not Latin America. That’s not to say it’s not possible to succeed, but it’s more difficult. Shit, it’s not that easy here for kids born into poverty!

Pros and cons, I guess. I’m pretty pretty adaptable. It takes a lot for me to start crying that the sky is falling. We’re not approaching that for me. We’re also not approaching a matriarchal structure in the US.

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“The guy” is quite happy to dish out his own advice across multiple threads though.

Well, where is it?

Just out of curiosity… Was “the program” 5/3/1?

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I don’t recall him giving out advice.

No, you wouldn’t.

I’ve read many of his posts. I might have missed the ones you refer to.

I"m sure here or there, but not often. Can you point something out? Where I continuously gave my advice when no one wanted it?

@EmilyQ

Video games are definitely sucking boys in, but I don’t think it is as detrimental as you’re making it out to seem, at least not like social media is for girls.

If they sitting playing all day while refusing to study or work then that is a problem but for most teens or young 20s, even 30 year olds, it is actually therapeutic, I believe.

It Is like going to the park and playing some pickup ball with your friends. That’s what it provides guys. It has that adrenaline rush, the camaraderie , the competition, the escapism. Boys will be boys no matter what level of cultural and social engineering you throw at them.

I don’t think a lot of what we are talking about applies to teenagers though. I know teenage girls are having a hell of a time with the social media thing, but once they pull away from high school they seem to improve, am I wrong? While I see men getting worse. That’s my opinion, so I would be interested to see what research says.

I want to point out that I don’t blame a specific gender for any of this. I blame the cultural and social fuckery that keeps influencing the thought that women in the west DESERVE more, just cuz they’re women, this is a narrative I see happening. Same with the 'toxic masculinity" crap. It comes from somewhere, and it is definitely doing damage.

@strongmangoals

I’ve taken a peak over on some of these reddit subs, forums, it is pretty wild. There are even some groups of men huddling around the notion they don’t need sex, or women. They are CHOOSING to opt out lol. It is mind boggling. There’s thousands of them on some of these subs.

It is scary. We have sensible discussion here in comparison. That’s why it is annoying for some people in here to start throwing out these labels without knowing what someone that actually identifies as an ‘incel’ is really like.

It’s like saying “oh you’re just an 8chan troll” or whatever. Uh huh. Go over there and see how they actually talk to one another and then come and tell me if someone is like that here.

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They outnumber us, brah

good. keep it coming.

Sure, but only about 10% of them are even worth looking at. And of those, only about. 001% of the ones worth looking at can do anything with flowers or hair.

That leaves like maybe 18 women in the US, and they’re all flapped out like a stolen dirt bike by the time they’re 35.

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not the ones who’ll engage in risk-taking behavior on par with the type of guy who’ll engage in “pick up” behavior … pure numbers, sure. When controlling for certain behavioral tendencies that was brought up, i.e. “picking up” behavior (which is an amalgamation of multiple behavioral markers), I’d expect more men exhibiting those behaviors more frequently and consistently than women, by and large.

I wasn’t talking to you, lad.

I have never heard this expression -please explain!

In middle America red neck terms I believe this means a stolen dirt bike will be revved out to the max the entire time since the person that stole it cares nothing more than to have a good time with the bike.

Am I right @SkyzykS ?

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Yeah, pretty much. All busted up, seat missing, foot pegs and lowers all twisted.

The second one is ridiculously funny to me for some reason.

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How did you ever guess?

5: meals and snacks each day comprised of the overpriced food we sold
3: times a week I expected to see “exercise” logged in clients’ food diaries
1: time a week people had to shuffle in with their food diaries to see me, resplendent in my lab coat and carrying an official-ass clipboard…if I weren’t already wearing glasses, they’d probably have asked me to wear fake ones to complete the “medical official” look

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It actually isn’t society. It is powerful and influential people who shape society. I don’t have a problem with social engineering so long as it’s good. The vast majority of people will do and say as they’re told for status and to fit in, regardless of the fashion of the day. Many liberals today would actually be conservatives in the past. Though I don’t listen to the music anymore, I recall some punk and hardcore bands were “right-wing” in the past and leftists now.

You know it’s sad but truuuuueee

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